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GBL Megathread 5: Germans do it better

Has anyone got any experience or know anything about taking G while on a maintenance dose of Subutex? I'm on 6mg at the moment, I've searched bluelight for some reports but have found very little, I know that there are possible dangers in combining opiates with G, but I have read reports of people using small amounts of G on various opiates and being fine. Subutex is considered to be alot safer then many opiates, particularly methadone, heroin etc. I've had some benzo's today, no problems, feeling rather nice actually, but I generally do take benzo's on gear etc.

I stopped talking G because basicly, it had stopped working, I've not had any for 3 months. I wanted to have a 6 month break, and intend on doin so. I'm just curious to know whether anyone has any idea if it's ok to combine a small amount of G with subs. I should be tapering down to 4 - 2 mg by the time I get round to buying some G, possibly less as I don't intend on being on the subbies too long.

Any evidence or info would be much appreciated. :)
 
Subutex? It has some anti dep properties for certain, but it's an opiate used for coming off heroin and other stronger opiates. It's very good for recovering opiate addicts, has little side effects, blocks opiates from working so you can't use, reduces your cravings so you don't want to use anyway and keeps you energetic and happy. But I'd still like to be able to enjoy the odd dose of G, I'm hoping that i'll have tapered off it by the time I get round to ordering my own bottle but I may not turn down a free dose, if I'm offered one..just want to see if there is any anecdotal advice on here. I've found the odd post online of people using small amounts on subs with no problem, but not very much info
 
in the states it marketed as an anti Dep. Just going by that it shouldn't have any problems. I know that mirtaz and citalopram have no negative affects when it comes to G. G can even be taken with metronidazole ( antibiotic not to be mixed with alcohol ).
 
I've been on Mirtazapine for 7 years, never had problems with G ever. Mixed it with benzo's, ket, DHC etc with no problems, subutex is just a fairly potent opiate, but also a rather safe one so i'm a tad cautious is all.
 
Subutex is indeed a partial opiate agonist, and can be used for maintenance treatment and depression.

The risks of combining it with G come mainly from the respiratory depression risk. Passing out on G is a fair risk, so be sure to have someone around if possible.

What I really want to say though, is that if you planned a 6 month break, try to stick to it. Prove to yourself, if no-one else, that you're goddamn strong.
 
I'd be really nervous just as bupe is such a strong opioid and fairly long lasting, i know a case of what sounds like pretty majorly depressed resp rate with GBL over 24 hours after a dose of methadone...

G + opiates just seem to be super bad news, its good that DHC didn't cause any problems but buprenorphine is a whole different kettle of fish really.. take care!!

edit - by bupe/buprenorphine i mean subutex. sure lots of yous know that but silly of me to be confusing :)
 
Sadie said:
in the states it marketed as an anti Dep. Just going by that it shouldn't have any problems. I know that mirtaz and citalopram have no negative affects when it comes to G. G can even be taken with metronidazole ( antibiotic not to be mixed with alcohol ).
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Just to say, not in a critical way at all, but antidepressants come in a wide range of drug classes and have hugely varying modes of action and things they can be combined safely with.. I'm not aware of subutex ever being marketed as an antidepressant (pretty crazy thing to do imo) but even if it was, it's def not safe to assume that as something is ok with one antidepressant its ok with all... could be really dangerous.

Not getting at you at all just thought thats a really important safety point!!
 
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I have an Ex who was prescribed it as an anti depressant last year. He lives in the States. That's the only reason I thought that.
 
Back in the day when I had G, I was also on MMT (methadone daily dose) of 10mg. Never had any problem except for the first times with G when I had to find my sweet spot.

Be careful though, if you start methadone, your body has to be accustomed to it. Don't mix G with methadone if methadone isn't an old friend...
 
Thanks for the advice guys, I think I'll leave the G til I'm off the subs. I''ll be on them for 3 months probs anyway so I can have some G as a treat once I get off it I guess.
 
Evad said:
you either have the wrong drug http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bupropion perhaps? or your ex is lying to you and addicted to opes, not fda approved as an anti dep
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It's not FDA approved as an Antidep but there's been many studies into it's Antidep properties (which are apparently really good from anecdotal reports from here :) ).
I can imagine there properties being the greatest when someone is addicted to full µ-Agonists and extremely Depressed about their situation and addiction, as it has an extremely "clear-headed" feeling about it and can give energy and motivation.

When I tried it I wasn't in the right place or mindset so I failed it / it failed me (whichever way you look at it).
 
FlippingTop said:
Ages. Nothing to worry about imo. However it is considerably cheaper when bought in bulk.
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Yeah I worked out that if I buy 10 liters I pay about 35% less for each liter than I would if I bought them separately. And AFAIK, if stored in the supplied containers it won't ever go off.

That it's possible to circumvent the law in this way makes it possible for users such as myself enjoy GBL just as if it were legal ie. relatively cheaply and in the knowledge that its pure and from a reliable source. Obviously the worrying exception is that I could still get busted for using it recreationally and could I be charged with intent to supply if found with 10 liters in my home (under bathroom sink)?
 
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Theoretically, you could be charged with intent to supply for anything more than about 10mls.
Keeping it stored in non-dose sized batches (all together) would help, but realistically, even if you have that much at home it could be pressed as supply. They get you by charging you with it and then offering to drop it to possession if you plead guilty.

Keeping it with your other wheel cleaners, in a way which does not suggest it would be consumed might help you if you were raided, but 10l is an awful lot if you only have one car!
 
Hypothetically, what would happen if one kept notes of their usage from a previous batch bought?
So if someone had kept notes of their first lot of 500ml used and then got caught with the second 500ml bottle, could they say "look, I used this one for only my personal use" ?
 
Transform said:
Theoretically, you could be charged with intent to supply for anything more than about 10mls.
Keeping it stored in non-dose sized batches (all together) would help, but realistically, even if you have that much at home it could be pressed as supply. They get you by charging you with it and then offering to drop it to possession if you plead guilty.

Keeping it with your other wheel cleaners, in a way which does not suggest it would be consumed might help you if you were raided, but 10l is an awful lot if you only have one car!
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or don't have a car at all eek (-;

I was told that if its under your kitchen sink or something they can't prosecute you, pretty likely thats BS though.

I mean, the odds of being caught by police with GBL on me are pretty slim, but I am told that if I were caught my house would likely be searched )-:

It would be interesting to know what the penalty difference would be in relation to the amount possessed e.g how much more fucked you'd be if caught with 1ltr as opposed to 10ltrs.

In retrospect I'll probably leave my orders at 1ltr max.
 
goku4ever said:
Hypothetically, what would happen if one kept notes of their usage from a previous batch bought?
So if someone had kept notes of their first lot of 500ml used and then got caught with the second 500ml bottle, could they say "look, I used this one for only my personal use" ?
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Why would you have notes of your dosage and times still lying about? Dispose of that.

Now, if they found a document with dosage and times, even for current use, how would they connect times and ML doses with G? Unless you headed the paper GBL re-dosing schedule.

Just note your time and your dose. If asked about it say that it's a personal or Pet medication schedule or feeding time. You're only limited by your own imagination when it comes to that little white lie, if you were even asked about it in the first place.
 
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