GBL Megathread: 3ml and Wobbling

[SA]

Anecdotal and real life experience will de-bunk your considered opinion, and your research on erowid.

And yes....this is a harm reduction site but it is also a place to share experience.

Have you ever dosed 24/7 with GBL? Have you ever binged on 50ml in a 24 hour period?

If you do in fact have the experience then I will lay down my guns.

If you don't have the experience.....then get a grip of yerself, and stop coming across like a Tit.

Take a look at my posting history over the last year or so. Take a look at the long gaps from last December until my recent "return". Guess what was doing? If you guessed "recovering", you win a cookie. Care to take a wild guess now whether I have dosed 24/7, binged, or "in fact have the experience"?

It took me three months to regain the ability to fall asleep. No, I'm not talking your typical insomnia. I'm talking the ability to actually get tired, droopy eyed, yawning and sleepy. I have a whole new appreciation for the word 'lunatic', as it was originally intended. You think we're still talking liver and kidneys here? No, we're way past that. We're into the pituitary and hypothalamus.

It took me two months to regain the ability to sweat, rather than leech a thick viscous liquid. Promptly after which, I was blessed with dermatographic urticaria. Yay!

I could go on for pages, yes. My only purpose this time was to caution on the liver and kidneys, because of the mention of lower back pain.

Chrissie posted about a pain in her back in a GBL thread. Kidney pain does not have to be in the specific kidney area, it can radiate all across the lower back. I'm not a doctor, I just come from a family of doctors. To boot, I have tons of experience with alcohol and its effects and now GBL and its effects. Chrissie made an observation about her back. I made an observation about a possible cause. I'm trying to reduce harm. May I ask what those who keep claiming "this is safe", "this is non-toxic" are doing? Especially when they're using that language in the context of conversation where someone has explicitly reported a problem?

I'm okay with being a tit, btw. It's a nourishing organ, right?

Treacle, keep moving along.

 

[Evad]

I understand you may have experienced massive problems personally but these do not seem typical of even the most hardcore abusers. There's people here who have taken 50ml plus daily and not displayed any symptoms like these at all. Have you any idea if you had/have any underlying physical conditions that could have added to these, I don't want to undermine your personal trauma by any means just saying that a sample of one is not always accurate on a wider scale.

 

[SA]

Which is also why I said earlier that different people react differently.

No, Evad, I have never so much as had an allergy prior to that.

Again, I offered a possible cause to the lower back pain and left the door open.

 

[Shambles]

My tuppence on the possible damage issue... I'm mostly in the non-toxic camp but I must admit I have noticed kidney and (especially) liver pain during periods of very heavy (as in even heavier than normal) abuse. I do tend to drink a fair bit too even whilst on large amounts of geebee which most likely has a lot to do with that too. The pain and swelling subsides quickly if I reduce my intake though.

SA: I'm sorry to hear of the problems you've experienced and hope you're recovering as well as can be expected

 

[brokenbrain]

^SA, how long were your dosing bouts in order to do this to your body? Was it several quite short bouts over a few years or a massive 24/7 thing that went on for 8 months or longer? Maybe somewhere in between?
I would like to know about peoples experiences who like me will do 24/7 for a week or 2, then withdraw, then go back on, ad nauseam and maybe finally knock it on the head for ever.Though that point has not been quite reached by me yet.
GBL certainly has some toxicity for me as after a few days I have some sort of liver issues which has never happened with anything else. Piss also comes out strange sometimes which could be kidney issues. Also end up with spots around my groin (no not that part) swelling up to painful dimensions in a very short time period, and then going straight back down on discontinuation....I've had a suspicion it may be to so with the supposed growth hormone release, perhaps it also fucks with my testosterone levels or something.
I've read various threads on this started over the years and no one really seems to have any definitive answers for any effects. As well as the way that some people get severe withdrawal symptoms much quicker than others.Some studies have shown it causing acidosis but not in everyone and the exact mechanism of that action is unknown.

I wish I could knock it on the head but how my interaction with people improves on it.
One thing I can say is that 1,4-BD is definetly body toxic feeling. But some people have taken that for years and not had ill effects.I didn't feel any liver swelling or kidney things, but problems breathing, band tightening across chest and growing headache are sure signs of negativity. I've had no urge to dose on the stuff in the last 7 days, whereas GBL with its lesser toxic feeling may have ended up being taken.

We're all just guinea pigs

 

[Aros2k]

I really dont think its a good idea to buy any but with the impending ban it's making me fancy some lol

 

[Wahslab]

I think that ordering a stupidly large amount would be stupid but I don't think that a reasonably small amount would be too dangerous Aros.

That does indeed sound shitty SA, I hope things get better for you mate.

With regard to the liver / kidney discussion, I have never experienced any pain or discomfort in the slightest, saying that, a high dosing day for me would be 15 - 20ml, even at that I would be careful not to pass out all the time so I can't comment on the higher end of the scale.

Oh, and no worries Treac

 

[Treacle]

GHB is, in my opinion, better for you, except on the kidneys, if you dose 24/7. That is a hell of a lot of sodium. The withdrawals are much easier, and it doesn't suddenly floor you like GBL can.

 

[Aros2k]

Damn have to start a new job monday cant get any now

 

[chrissie]

Gamma-butyrolactone can be absorbed by the body through inhalation, by oral intake or via the skin. Investigations show that the skin has a high permeability for GBL.
Source

Has anyone spilled gbl on their skin and noticed any intoxication? I had a strange experience last night and I'm not sure what to attribute it to.

 

[Bella Figura]

When I've spilled it on my hands I generally wash it straight off (as well as dosing G not too long after) so can't say I've noticed anything.

 

[Shambles]

I used to be quite fastidious about rinsing any spillages instantly cos I assumed it would eat through my flesh within seconds if I didn't. Bit more lax now and the most unwelcome effect I've noticed has been when your fingers get a lil bit stuck to the keyboard and mouse cos the plastic's melted underneath them.

Doesn't seem to do my skin much harm as far as I've noticed. Or get me high. I don't bathe in the stuff and am only moderately sloppy with my spills so other than pitted plastic products can't say spills have been a problem really. Does leave whatever you spilled it on really clean though

 

[Tangerine Dream]

I measure out my dosage on my desk which contains an imac (plastic keyboard n mouse) xbox 360 and a flatscreen tv (both plastic) I'm very careful though, apart from that time i squirted (syringe) gbl mixed 3:1 with water onto my tv screen Don't think i've ever responded to anything with the speed I did at cleaning it off!

 

[chrissie]

Usually I clean it off with no problem, except a couple nights ago I had a small vial of about 15ml GBL in my bag that opened and soaked through my jeans. I was out at a club so there was no way to clean it off. I had consumed 1.5 ml before arriving and had a couple beers over the course of a few hours and then another dose of g. I got very wobbly, eventually got sick and went home and got sick some more. I did not pass out but I remained very inebriated for a while. It confused me a lot because I didn't have a lot of alcohol or g but the effects were very strong and lasted a long time for me (4+hours and was still not sober and went to bed).

It occurred to me the next morning that it may have been caused from the spill on my jeans. With all of the reading I had done about GBL, I do not recall anything about absorption through the skin other than possible irritation on contact. Of course it could have been the mixture of g and alcohol but I don't think I had enough to warrant that level of intoxication.

 

[Riklet]

Ha, i don't think i've ever spilled much G, just a few spots on my keyboard maybe. Then again, I don't do the stuff often.

It DEFINITELY affects my teeth, it makes them feel sore like the enamel has been stripped a bit. I have also had mild kidney aches from doing 2-3ml in a night. I do however drink and do ketamine and hey maybe I have weak and terrible internal organs and G is not related to this at all. At the same time, I reckon it was. I hate the "dry" kinda weird feeling doing GBL leaves on the body. When it becomes illegal, i wont see any point in taking it over GHB.

Anyway that's just my subjective take on "G n me". Very sorry for those who have had nasty problems with G or whatever else. Things sound pretty fucking tough for you SA, i hope you're on the road to recovery...

 

[jammish]

why nob hurts gbl made me wank 6 times in a day yesterday

No GBL for me this weekend! I need 3 or 4 days off I reckon...

It makes me want to shag like a porn star.. It doesn't turn me into a surreptitious wanker like stims do. Great sex drug and the missus is appreciative too. Were I single, I'd take it in moderate doses and head to teh nearest meat market...

 

[Wahslab]

I regularly get it in cuts in my hands and have had no reason for concern other than the stinging.

 

[Shambles]

Warning!

The following post contains heavy doses of

Macaronically Deviant Profuse Verbiage

Please avert your eyes if prone to headaches, haemolacria or heinous heebie-jeebies​

Fuckin' timeouts and general BL post-loss fuckery caught me out yet again!!!

That's nearly ten times I've typed up ludicrously lexiphantic lomticks of lunatic leresis, lashings of lovingly lengthy, labyrinthine loops of lumpenly leaden and lexicographically loathsome lumps of lucklustre, linguistically-challenged lummoxdom and lowly lubberliness and lost the lot. That means this would be kinda the edited "highlights" version

I'll spare you further glimpses into the obscenely OCDesque part of my mind that deals with vexatious and vaguely vainglorious vomituritions of vapid vocabulisms and stick purely to perfect perspicacity, percipient priggery, proper prissiness, plain ol' platitudinous pellucidity and pontificate purely in plebificatory-pleasing pauciloqence. Pedestrian prosy will prevail - parrying all potential prolixities and pointlessly periphrasty of pure pretention and playing at precocity and ploddingly persevere with a prudent preponderance of placatory punctiliousness and pixelised palliatives to please and pacify peeps without the metric fuckton of dopamine whizzing around their noggins instead.

Ooops...

Maybe not quite then, but am running low on remotely useable L and P words thankfully - plentiful peevee + far too many online dictionaries and thesauruses than anyone should ever realistically need can get into whole new realms of ridiculously abject advectives, nounal nonsenses, vicious Vowelisms and tediously tawry tautologies so I'll truncate myself and quote a more succinct answer

I have had the top come off a 20ml bottle of G in my jeans pocket before and the colour did not alter of the jeans at all.

If it doesn't take the dye out of jeans I can't see anywhere near enough to get through your skin to be effective really. Maybe you have especially absorbent skin... probably just the booze though, I'd think. Probably.

Pipe time. Getting dangerously close to lucid towards the end there

Vasty volumes of vacuous voluble verbal voluptuaries ftw

 

[Carsick]

I can't agree with the point about not affecting dye. 20ml would turn quite a lot of plastic into a soft lump. It just needs to be an appropriate material.
Not that I think G does pass through the skin in any useful way.

 

[Wahslab]

I have no doubt that it would effect plastic, I have seen it with my own eyes! It didn't however, take any of the colour out of my jeans, nor did the liquid that passed through my jeans onto my skin make me high....unfortunatly!

Perhaps I had good jeans and thick skin though!