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GBL Megathread: 3ml and Wobbling

I have a couple of questions...

- I'm probably going to try it independently of a meph session first - no need to add more variables than necessary. Will whatever dosage I'm happy with when sober be the same for when coming down off meph? Or more, or less?

- Anxiety. I'm probably pretty normal in my uneasiness about taking something new -- I have a decent fear-of-death going on...
I understand that GBL is supposed to be good for countering anxiety, but is there any particular point that I might freak out for whatever reason? For example, I got the impression that coming up off a small dose is a bit shit. If I know about it, I'm usually able to cope with that kinda thing.

- How long do I need to allow before I'm functional again? E.g. if I'm taking it to get a good night's sleep, how many hours of sleep should I expect to need?

You may need slightly more GBL when you are on stimulants to get the same effect as when you are off them (1.5ml is my regular dose, 1.6 or 1.7 on stims) but take the same dose first time you try the combo just in case.

GBL will help with anxiety in the short term. If you end up using it regularly you'll find it makes your anxiety worse when you are sober.

GBL will not produce a good nights sleep. GBL will produce unconsciousness approaching sleep for about 4 hours then you find it wears off and you wake up. GBL is still very useful for terminating overly long stim sessions as an occasional thing, assuming you are at the state where unconsciousness, even if not proper sleep, is preferable to staying awake.

You will feel strange and not so well rested the day after using GBL for sleep (if you are anything like me) so it's not going to be until the day after this that you feel normal.

I usually use GBL towards the end of a stimulant session to bring myself down then let it mostly wear off and use cannabis to get to sleep. Even regular doses of GBL (not knock out doses) will make you feel chilled out which is good on stims.

You fucking pussies

Thanks for that.
 
:) :) Its the english way

Hey watch out on stims. G goes thru u a lot faster on amps/meth etc. You'll find the feeling comes on so much quicker but leaves faster. Dont be tricked and blow out in public.

Another thing, You will need less of a dose after being out all day or night on stims because you are typically not eating, and I ended up (forced) in hospital like this..... you must look so coma in that state because I was actually saying my name and date of birth i was just shaking and stuff. Meanwhile theres a drunk down the road the cops and everyone ignore wirth vomit all over his shirt passed out and vomit on the floor....... who really needs the medical attention all I needed was a friggen bench rest for 30 minutes.
 
Anyone know how guice affects stims. when taken to steady the shakes? If one takes a little, like 1ml, would it not depress the stim. too much?
It seems to make the nice effects nicer. G does release dopamine in low doses. You won't get sleepy off 1ml.

But grrr im rebounding now from a 3 day binge and none left. 10 rivotril later and 40 valiums, 2 bottles of wine.. big meal, still 2 hours max sleep. Waste of benzos trying to sleep after G.

Whats better Phenibut? I know anti psychs and TCAs help.
Been there, and more. Phenibut completely gets rid of all the withdrawals. You will get a full night's sleep on the first night. Just don't take large amounts of it for longer than a day, or guess what? You end up with phenibut withdrawals then, which are longer and worse.

GBL will not produce a good nights sleep. GBL will produce unconsciousness approaching sleep for about 4 hours then you find it wears off and you wake up. GBL is still very useful for terminating overly long stim sessions as an occasional thing, assuming you are at the state where unconsciousness, even if not proper sleep, is preferable to staying awake.

You will feel strange and not so well rested the day after using GBL for sleep (if you are anything like me) so it's not going to be until the day after this that you feel normal.
I disagree with all that. People are prescribed the stuff (Xyrem) to take every night, and they function fine. In the past, during 24/7 use, I have relied on that for sleep, and feel more refreshed than regular sleep, even on four hours a night. Now, that could be the withdrawals keeping me alert, but I never felt sleep deprived. I think it's great sleep.

I found this piece of information:
Everyone knows that alcohol will put users out, but this is a highly unnatural substitute for real sleep. Rapid Eye Movement sleep (REM), the stage at which dreaming occurs, is heavily suppressed, as is Slow Wave Sleep (SWS), the "deepest" and most relaxed phase. Regular REM is vital to psychological stability, and may be involved in the consolidation and organization of memory as well. SWS is the only time during which certain biological processes take place, such as the secretion of growth hormone. Proper growth hormone levels are necessary for good health, and reductions have been linked to many of the destructive effects of aging[20].
The benzodiazepenes, while less severe, have the same effects. After an initial low period, REM may return to normal[156].
GHB induces a sleep that is entirely natural. The duration and organization of the sleep stages is preserved, and growth hormone release is actually increased[20]. In fact, abnormal sleep patterns like those of narcoleptics* and insomniacs* become more typica
I believe this to be correct.
 
gbl side-effects

I have been taking 1.5/2ml gbl to help with anxiety attacks/sleep, but find that over the last few weeks my anxiety is getting worse and so is my sleep when not taking it, is this a side-effect?
I took 2.5ml the other day on an empty stomach and after having a drink (because couldn't get to sleep and was getting really frustrated, had a big day at work), I felt drowsy for 40 mins/1hr and then was sick....it makes me wonder how ppl can overdose on the stuff surely they wake up like I did and are sick?? Sorry if this sounds silly but don't really get why they are banning it because that girl died, to me it seems strange she did.
 
how to take gbl

Oh I take it with a cup of either lemon juice/smoothie/elderflower juice can't taste a thing! Though I do worry that I've stripped my teeth with the stuff. I thought washing your teeth after would actually wash the stuff further into your teeth, I heard that with alcohol/sugar drinks..
 
I have to agree with Treacle. I find that if I sleep from G then even if I have only had 4 hours sleep it feels like I have had a whole night. For me it is great when being on stims, just have a couple of 'good' doses of G and wake up 4 hours later feeling refreshed.

I sometimes just do the 1 'good' dose of G with a xanax when I am in stims and I know they are supposed to cancel each other out or something but I get a great nights sleep
 
I disagree with all that. People are prescribed the stuff (Xyrem) to take every night, and they function fine. In the past, during 24/7 use, I have relied on that for sleep, and feel more refreshed than regular sleep, even on four hours a night. Now, that could be the withdrawals keeping me alert, but I never felt sleep deprived. I think it's great sleep.

Fair enough if you find that yourself. Sleep varies a lot from person to person (as TheSpade will testify).

Whenever i wake up after G induced sleep i feel like a victim of an alien abduction with missing time.

I am also completely unable to sleep throught the rebound so when i use GBL for sleep i either get 4 hours sleep max, or am forced to redose half way through the night which makes it even worse for me.

Does anyone out there get similar effects to me or am i just unusual not to find GBL produces natural sleep?
 
Yes and no MrM. I find it is a good solid sleep with the best visual dreams possible but I too wake up after 4 hours and am a little confused for a few minutes as to what has just happened, wether the dream was reality or not etc. I too cannot sleep straight away after getting the rebound wakeup.

So although I agree I wake up and then would have to redose if I wanted to sleep again, I disagree because I feel the sleep I get, although short, it sweet.

For a good nights sleep, if you struggle, have 1.8ml G (my average dose is 1.2) and a xanax or two. I find that the G sends me high then sleepy and I go to sleep, the xanax then seems to keep me a sleep and even if I do wake up I am not worried about falling back to sleep so it happens within minutes.
 
For a good nights sleep, if you struggle, have 1.8ml G (my average dose is 1.2) and a xanax or two. I find that the G sends me high then sleepy and I go to sleep, the xanax then seems to keep me a sleep and even if I do wake up I am not worried about falling back to sleep so it happens within minutes.

Ah i think we've hit on the important factor here.

I don't have xanax. I've never taken the stuff or had access to it and i've never combined GBL (at the initial dose or on the rebound) with any benzo or opiate like drug. I can well believe that something like that would do wonders for the rebound and for sleep.
 
The xanax works wonders for me to get me to sleep anyway and I find that on stims I use the G because it feels amazing on the stims and then the xanax to knock me out.

As for the opiates, I know that G potentiats them, not sure if the rebound insomnia would wtill be a problem though. I have used codein and G before recreationally because it feels good but never tried to use it to sleep. I would imagine that the insomnia would still hit.

I think that the xanax would be the way forward if you are having problems sleeping. Although (I know I'm sounding like a mother here and you probably already know this) be carful if you get hold of xanax, because they are so effective they are addictive. I went through a stage recently where I was finding it hard to sleep without the xanax because I had been caining it a bit.
 
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If you use G for long enough, then xanax or opiates won't stop the rebound. Only a GABA-B agonist (phenibut, baclofen) will.
 
coming to thend of my bottle anyway so wont reorder for some time.

I know you had games with it before treacle, do you still partake at all?
 
Unfortunately, yes. I convert it to GHB now, however, and it's much nicer when it runs out. I would recommend this.
 
I was planning to do this with half of my next bottle but due to your warning may wait a bit and leave a while before reordering
 
A break works wonders. It resets my tolerance, and allows me to feel the good effects again.
 
So how long is you break then? Its starting to just feel a bit samey for me and either get a slight buzz or it knocks me out!
 
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