GBL - First Time - Good, but Slightly Overrated

[bighooter]

Took 1.5ml at 7.30

By 7.50 I was feeling the effects, music sounded better, felt really good and scoiable.

8.00 I had a rush over my body that felt like I was having an orgasm for about 2-5mins.

Then I just felt like I was drunk but completely in control.

9.00 Just felt really stimulated, because we were all sat down in my front room I felt a little shitty/paranoid tbh. We were with 16/17year old girls who were giggling and I was wondering whether they were laughing at me.
Because I couldnt sit still.

9.30 Took another 0.5ml

Remained in a reasonably nice state (nothing special) till about 11.40 then I took another 0.8ml and by 12.10 I was now buzzing and this time the buzz felt different we were in a club this time and women seemed really attractive and I had a fat grin on my face and felt a bit giggly somewhat and very chatty.
Also the head buzz was kind of cool felt like my vision was a little obscure but still in complete control.

By 1am I was now back to the normal state just felt a little better than being sober.

By 2am I was wishing I had more and can completely understand why some people call this crack, it is so moreish because you feel completely level headed. However I didnt have another vial on me so I was screwed.

By 3.30am I was kind of bored of being in the club and decided to leave, got home 4.00pm and fell asleep reasonably easy.

The sleep wasnt the best I had and tbh I don't know why people hype the sleep part up so much.
Woke up feeling very fresh.

Overall I think I treated GBL with a bit too much respect, I am definitly going to try it again next week.

Hopefully the effects will get better in time, this is the cleanest drug ive done and I'd say the effects I felt were pretty good but nothing special.
Overall 8/10.
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[Madmike]

Nice to see that you took it responsibly !!

Thumbs UP !!

Next time, stict to that dosing schedule , because you won't get more out of GBL

I mean , next step is close to overdose and that is really shit.

 

[bighooter]

What surely you can get a better effect from it?

As I say when I was up it wasnt for long atall.

The majority of the time I felt like I could do more?
I'm not just saying it aswell, I generally feel I could of done of more.

 

[Madmike]

I think you could get stronger high if you tried 2-2.2 mls as a startup dose.

1.2 mls boost doses every 1 h 15 minutes

 

[bighooter]

cheers mate I think i'll try that next time

 

[Jabberwocky]

convert the GBL into GHB. It is much easier on your body and is a better high. Search online for the conversion. Its easy though, basically you're just refluxing (heating) GBL +a bit of water +sodium hydroxide (this needs to be accurately measured or you'll end up with extra NaOH).

The rushing/tingling orgasm feeling is why I love it so much. Actually, I like this stuff a little too much. I had to toss my stash of it since I couldnt resist doing it every night.

The best way I found to dose was this. Dose 2-4g of GHB (roughly equivalent to 2ml GBL). Then make a mixed drink of OJ and 4g of GHB and sip that over the next 1.5 hours.

However, that is a large dose I am told. I had a tolerance to it at that point. So you may want to start with like 2g initial dose then 2g over the next hour. After that redosing isn't really great and it does mess with your sleep.

The sleep is good while ON G but after it wears off you get a dopamine rebound effect and it makes sleep shitty. This is incidentally one reason its so addictive (since if you want to go to sleep you need to take a depressant and you say to yourself, might as well be G instead of these xannies).

be careful with this stuff. It has a bite to it.

 

[Jabberwocky]

also be careful combining it with other depressants such as benzos or alcohol. This has proven fatal as it slows your respiratory rate to dangerous levels.

 

[bighooter]

cheers mate I appreciate it

So is there asny other/better effects? Because I swear I felt completely sober/headstraight like as soon as the effects wore off after like 30mins sort of thing.
I heard you was meant to be on it for at least 1hour and a half, I am not kidding you felt better/more switched on than ever for the majority of time on it and not one bit drowsy.

I think I should of done more because you have to bear in mind i'm a bodybuilder 11stone 5ft5 and have 10.8% bodyfat so alot of muscle for my size, maybe this has something to do with it?

I just dont want to use alcohol recreationally as it destroys muscle gains.

So have you got any links how to convert gbl into ghb? I cant find any.

Cheers.

 

[basix]

In my experience it takes a few times of using GBL before you start to notice and enjoy all of it's effects. At first it can be too subtle buit after using it a few times I started getting all the body highs instead of just the drunk feeling

 

[Jabberwocky]

When the effects wear off you get a dopamine rebound. My lay-man's understanding of this effect is that while the G is working (it works GABA, on a special location called the GHB receptor and I believe also on GABA-A or B (I forget)), it is depressing dopamine release. Then afterwards it wears off and a build up of dopamine is released. So you feel very alert and awake. This is incidentally why it may be hard to achieve sleep after dosing a large amount of G.

Please somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[AuraithX]

It'll take a good few times until you work out what dosage is right for you. I usually start with a 1.5ml and then do 1.2ml every 2hrs or so.

 

[bighooter]

Did GBL for my 2nd time yesterday... WOW What can I say!

Started off with 2ml came up better than I did the first time and felt really nice for about an hour n half then did another 1ml.

Didnt really come up from this strangely. An hour later I did another 1ml and again I didnt really come up, I felt too straight headed so I decided that I actually wanted to really feel the effects and took 1.5ml shortly after consuming the other 1ml.

As I waited I could feel it come on, I took another 0.5ml as I was feeling this and within half an hour I was rushing from head to toe felt like I was having an orgasm.

I was crawling around on the floor groaning in pleasure, i felt so relaxed I nearly passed out, but my mates woke me and I remember feeling as if I was dreaming then realising I was actually awake. Felt amazing for at least 2hours then just felt good. Went to bed and woke up fine.

Overall I think GBL is the best drug in the world (way better than mdma/ rushing wise), if you're going to do it theres no point in pussying around with dosage if you feel normal smash some in, aslong as you treat it with respect it's safe and truly beautiful.

Won't be doing it until next week now, magical experience.

 

[Jabberwocky]

convert it to GHB and you will have discovered the best feelgood drug evurrrrr

but do watch that stuff, it had me a hold of the balls quick, but then again I have problems with downers and have to constantly remind myself to take it easy on them.

be safe,
samadhi

 

[tambourine-man]

Stick to once a week (or less) if possible.

It's so very, very easy to habitually use.

Welcome to Bluelight, by the way.

 

[bighooter]

OMFG

If GHB is better than GBL then I am definitely going to convert it, I don't understand how anything can be more pleasurable than GBL!!!

I was actually crawling around on the floor groaning in pleasure it felt that good, not going to get addicted to it though never goind to do it more than once a week.

Cheers guys.

 

[Jabberwocky]

bighooter, keep that once a week thing as a RULE and you will be fine. Also plan out your dose beforehand and stick to that (measure it out before you're f'd up).

Be careful handling sodium hydroxide, it can burn bad (remember Fight Club, "This is a chemical burn" - that was sodium hydroxide).

 

[bighooter]

I'm intrigued when you say GHB is a cleaner feeling, because GBL felt pretty clean to me only when I was completely trashed I kept thinking I had been dreaming for ages then coming round when I had only dozed off for a couple of seconds at a time.
At this point I remember feeling like my memory wasnt up to scratch, however I was fighting to stay awake which was why I was buzzing so much.

So how is GHB better than GBL, apart from the fact its less toxic (which I didnt feel sick one bit anyway) how isit actually a better feeling?
Does the feeling last longer?

Also when gbl is converted to ghb powder, does it still measure up like say you did 2ml of gbl, when you do ghb powder would you do 4grams as opposed to 2ml of gbl yeh? Do you just double the grams to whatever ml you do with GBL?

 

[eclipsedesign]

I think 4 grams of GHB powder would kill a large donkey?

 

[YHYK6X]

So how is GHB better than GBL

It isn't. I don't know where people get this misinformation from. They should do more research in my opinion. GBL is not toxic. It is only a mucous membrane irritant, which can be minimized by properly diluting it. Apart from that it is not toxic to the body. Read this http://www.ceri.com/q_v7n4q1.htm. It cites the popular rat study that shows it actually has positive effects on health 8)

To further illustrate my point, let's take a few citations from Wikipedia:

gamma-Butyrolactone is rapidly converted into GHB by lactamase enzymes found in the blood. GBL is more lipophilic (fat soluble) than GHB, and so is absorbed faster and has higher bioavailability; the paradox is that this can mean that GBL has a faster onset of effects than GHB itself, even though it is a prodrug. The levels of lactamase enzyme can vary between individuals, and GBL is not active in its own right, so people who have never tried GBL before may have delayed or fewer effects than expected; however, once someone has taken GBL a few times, the production of lactamase enzymes is increased and he/she will feel the effects like normal.

and:

Metabolism takes place in stomach and blood plasma. GBL is longer acting and has a shorter onset than GHB. Otherwise, effects are similar to GHB, although weight for weight it is significantly more powerful, meaning dosage must be lowered accordingly. If ingested undiluted through the oral route, GBL can irritate innards. It is possible for oral ingestion of GBL to cause nausea and other similar problems, possibly more so than with GHB.

When the effects wear off you get a dopamine rebound.

The dopamine myth has been debunked for some years now.

Newer research suggests:

After the initial dosing, the GABA-B receptor was being stimulated, leading to sleep, but as the GHB was being metabolised and the concentration in the body dropped, the GABA-B receptor stopped being activated, and the excititory GHB receptor became the main receptor being activated.

More at Erowid.

Moral of the story: GBL is not active in its own right, but converts to GHB in the body. It therefor has the same effects as GHB, since it is GHB once metabolized, but because it's faster (and better) absorbed by the body, the experience can feel stronger than with GHB.

 

[Jabberwocky]

^ hey, my information is based on first-hand experience + talking with other drug users and reading the odd journal article here and there (much more of this with psychedelics). I guess it could have holes though.

GBL does convert into GHB. Do you know a general principle about euphoriants? The quicker they absorb/hit your brain, the greater the euphoria. Almost across the board with all euphoria-inducing drugs. GHB hits quicker and is therefore a better high than GBL.

Also, GBL is not toxic (to neurons), but it definitely is not good for your body. I was drinking that stuff for a few days and ended up getting a sore tummy and also a VERY sore throat. Apparently it burned the FUCK out of my throat going down (even partially diluted).

At the end of the day, when one is using drugs to get high, one does not care what a journal article says about which is better at activating GABA-a receptors, etc etc. One knows what one likes.

And, there DEFINITELY is a rebound effect from (ab)using GHB. After it wears off it can be difficult to obtain sleep.

This is probably the number one reason it is so addictive (if you dont have something like xanax around, which is addictive in its own right, then one might be tempted to foolishly redose to get sleep).

But, I welcome bringing in scientific information. It teaches us all something.

peace bro!
samadhi