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I use to frequent detroit and I remember a buddy brought his gf down there once and they got robbed and the car stolen -- i never quit clowning him..... So they stuck up the car and these two ma'fuckers started literally crying and the guy had to put the gun back away and calm them down WHILE robbing them.. "Noone is gunna die just quit making a scene --- leave your shit and hop out of the car" -- I can just picture them screaming and weeping and making a scene lol
Shit, this reminds me of this time waaay back in like 2006 or some shit. It was after hurricane katrina, I remember that. Some guy from Mississippi moved up to where I was living in Wisconsin after the hurricane. And I thought he was hot & had a crush on his stupid ass. lol And I befriended him & helped him find weed cause I knew all the local pot dealers. And one night this mother fucker took me to a party in a trailer & everyone was wasted & he put a gun to the back of my head. Everyone started flipping out & telling him to drop it & all that shit. I just sat there not saying anything the whole time. Like I fuckin' dared him to try & do it (cause I got protective brothers, my brother would've been out for revenge if anyone killed his younger brother). He eventually backed off. I dunno what his problem with me was. I think I was making him question his sexuality (long story) & he didn't like that. lol

But yeah even people in small country towns can be just as nuts as city folks. It's crazy.


You ever been to WI? Beautiful fuckin' scenery on the southwest part, man. I miss it dearly.
 
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^What a damn nutcase. Had a guy from philly put a knife to my neck on a highway so I grabbed the wheel and said go for it we can both die right now -- he looked a bit bewildered and I hopped out at the next stop sign/red light.

oh gosh on the sexuality thing I had a pot/morphine dealer that was gay and a bit of a creep -- I guess he tried to get my buddy to blow him for a qp.... Never tried anything with me, prolly cuz I was there with my pops most of the time.

Yea I am in MI, been to wisconsin alot.....If they just had legal weed!
 
But yeah even people in small country towns can be just as nuts as city folks. It's crazy.
Not only can do ... actively practiced here total population 34.000 municipality. Was snitched by my ex i got kids with. On advise of Social Service org. employee, off course.There is more to it though as my ex didn t break any Law the gouvernement linked organisation s did. These sort of snitched broke their own protocol s rules. And have little to 0 internal correction. Filed complaint s. Dismissed.

Tax paid, like cop s and a lot of gouvernement other organisations. Among the 9 doing child related things. Yaeh 9 that s at least 4 and 1/ 2 to many. Bureaucrac/zy. This seem s a good place for it. loved reading this.

Tales of the Crypt. Last memory of that was on 2C-B A Lake with a Monster that was like the it. Screamed and was 50 cm above where i sat. Same ex as above, who s primal fear s are different then mine. She could walk through almost pitch black wood.

Not only see better and had zero fear, while i fell over trunks while demons swirling in the black around me.

One little toke of Weed would give her full blown panic attacks. I am rather afraid in the dark. Not so much but ...
 
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Damn snitched on by your babies momma --- there are more people in your boat than you think.

I knew a family that was totally living off of the man of the house's cocaine sales --- than the kid got busted -- SNITCHED ON HIS OWN MOTHER -- Who promptly snitched on the guy. (All were involved the kid was the one that got the law involved)

The fucked up part is the dude use to be friends with my dad and I had been hearing stories about him 10 yrs before he was out of prison -- he got hit with "Conspiracy" despite having nothing on him (God knows when) and that was always a cautionary tale "You dont have to be holding to get fucked" --- Dude gets out after a 20 yr stint keeping his mouth shut.... About 2 yrs later he is back in because of that shite family!

Worst part is I was not allowed to give him a heads up that his family was being sloppy even "You arent even suppose to know who he is you can't approach him and start talking like that" --- Shit id want someone to warn me!!

Shit really the worst part is other than the snitching part --- I basically was that same kid with pot -- I didnt get sloppy and maybe everything woulda worked out. BTW 'me getting sloppy' was someone breaking into our home and robbing us, but it was an acquaintance of mine...
 
Not only can do ... actively practiced here total population 34.000 municipality. Was snitched by my ex i got kids with.
Damn. That's incredibly low! To snitch on your own child's parent. Unbelievable! I'm sorry to hear that.

Think we can all agree that snitches are some of the biggest cowards & do not deserve any respect in the drug game.

I think I made so many good drug dealer friends in my teens, 20's and 30's, cause you can just tell when some one is trustworthy. Well especially if you get to know them & spend personal time with that person. People who get busted need to take responsibility for their own fuck ups & don't drag anyone else down with you. That's drug world 101 if you ask me. You earn respect by not being a snitch or a thief or any of that shit.

Got another little story to share... In 2017, I was hanging out at my heroin dealers house. And he was bagging up heroin. And I noticed a $50 bag, uncut, laying underneath the table. So what did I do? You think I grabbed that shit & put it in my pocket without saying anything? Nope. I picked that shit up & immediately turned to my dude & said "hey, I think you dropped this". And he smiled & told me to keep it, since I was honest & didn't steal it. Being a genuine person with loyalty like that can earn you some respect, at least from the decent people in the drug game. Obviously there's exceptions. I was somebody drug dealers could leave unattended in their house/rooms with their drugs out & they didn't have to worry though & being that trustworthy of a person can get you places.

So when my weed dealer snitched on me, he completely broke a silent code of ethics in the drug world. I hope he had fun being deported.

So similar to not being a snitch, not being a thief or backstabber in general, is a great quality to have IMO.
 
^Damn -- One time at bandcamp I had an H dealer who was offing .1 for like 5x the street value -- I go over to this genius' to cop and we end up bullshitting and he is telling me about his new gun --- hands it to me, im checkin it out...

Than he starts bitching about how he has to weigh .1 off of "This giant brick" which he than also proceeds to hand to me minus a crumb he grabbed to weigh my .1 out..... Im like dude you know I am holding your gun and your brick right now?

His face just goes pale "Oh man you wouldnt'' --- No I wouldnt but you can bet your ass 95% of fiends you hitting 50 for a pack would be pretty happy to rob you. (Shoulda done it - fucker snitched and is still around the area)
 
His face just goes pale "Oh man you wouldnt'' --- No I wouldnt but you can bet your ass 95% of fiends you hitting 50 for a pack would be pretty happy to rob you. (Shoulda done it - fucker snitched and is still around the area)
That was definitely the wrong move! He's lucky you didn't! That could have gone south very easily!
My H dealer was actually a murderer. lol He did 10 years in prison in the early 2000's for killing a cop. He got off on self-defense though, claiming the cop walked up onto his gang's turf wearing plain clothes & he thought it was a rival gang member.

But then he shot & killed another guy in 2019. It's crazy cause the dude was sweet as pie to me, my mom & my friends.

Pissed me off though too, cause if his ass wouldn't have killed somebody, maybe I'd still have a hookup/friend for good shit. lol


Tried drinking alcohol over the weekend for my birthday. All it took was one sip & I immediately felt dehydrated & gross. So I stopped right then & there & poured it down the drain. I have no idea how people enjoy the alcohol buzz any more. It's such a yucky feeling.
 
Hahha I gotta give him a pass on resevoir dogs logic "Anybody die" --- "No real people, just a cop or two." He is real lucky though ---- Oh no he did it again .... Okay that is not good maybe the guy is a menace!

I gotta ask, any idea why he shot the second guy? Just curious what drives people sometimes..... You think after beating a body -- of a cop; you would know the next time in court aint going good.

Eckh do not enjoy the days of going sick .... alcohol sucks horribly. That said for long term PAWS it seems to work alright in moderation.
 
Cannabis is a weirdo though here due to being illegal still. It s decriminalized & sort of
tolerated but very regio depended. Leaving the stigma out of the picture. Afaic tell pothead still equal to Heroin addict in this region.

If someone gets caught growing some Weed even written medical dr. thing, on own property 5 plants. Risk of getting evicted and all the rest. Municipality s create there own rules explaining difference between the bigger progressive city s and the rural parts.
There is a anonymous tip line to the Cops, how convenient. So i trust no-one inc me.

Very strangely local paper there things like: "Cocaine dealer busted, from a rented nuisance to the neighborhood. few 100 gram was confiscated. 3rd time offender. Got away with "don t do it again ok", Double standards. Triple as the whole law is also interpret-rated backwards imo.


Gonna work on that Snitch story. its complicated, part s still in process. But good a good angle the moment that someone inside the system disclosed a few crucial clues. About how it works in reality.
 
Damn. That's incredibly low! To snitch on your own child's parent. Unbelievable! I'm sorry to hear that.
Dumb move 100 %, calling the cops on someone/ anyone fuk that. She did, it backfired. Aimed for more effort. The end result was opposite was said i couldn t see them. It separated my kids and me. Something only a judge can 'on paper'. The biggest problem all these tax paid employees all dont follow protocols. And don t question/ check on each other.
 
Very strangely local paper there things like: "Cocaine dealer busted, from a rented nuisance to the neighborhood. few 100 gram was confiscated. 3rd time offender. Got away with "don t do it again ok", Double standards.

^That guy had to have snitched/currently be snitching. ( I say that in complete ignorance of your countries laws ) -- But that reeks of cheese-eater!!

Prolly the third time the dude snitched too .... of course that is all speculation about someone I dont know at all. ( I am basically context-less, and that matters I heard somewhere... )
 
I gotta ask, any idea why he shot the second guy? Just curious what drives people sometimes..... You think after beating a body -- of a cop; you would know the next time in court aint going good.
Apparently it was because he was afraid the dude who he was dealing heroin for was going to kill him, because he messed up a batch of heroin.
He's claiming self-defense again. But honestly, in a way, I kind of think he was afraid. He called me just a day or two before it happened & he sounded scared & sounded like he wanted some kind of way out of the whole dealing business. So, obviously if he fucked up a big batch of the guy's heroin, then the guy might've wanted him dead. So he probably killed the guy first before the guy could kill him.

You can read about it here - https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/ia-court-of-appeals/2231602.html

"In August 2019, Wofford was a heroin dealer. Belcher, his supplier, would sometimes provide his dealers with heroin on credit; they would sell it to users at a mark-up and repay Belcher the costs. Belcher controlled the phones that lower-level dealers, like Wofford, used for selling his product.

In late August, Belcher fronted Wofford some heroin. Wofford tried to cut the heroin with other substances, spoiling the drugs and leaving him unable to repay Belcher. Belcher and Wofford were already on poor terms after Belcher's bike had gone missing from Wofford's house and, in response, Belcher took a dog from Wofford. Because Wofford was unable to repay him for the fronted drugs, Belcher turned off Wofford's phone and took those calls himself.

Wofford shot Belcher six times—twice in the head, once in the arm, and three times in the chest. Three or four of the shots resulted in head and chest wounds that would have been independently fatal."


He never sold me brown at a mark up price though, that I'm aware of. I usually didn't have to pay anything for mine & I also made him give it to me in rock form, so I didn't have to deal with any of the diphenhydramine cuts or bullshit that could affect my high.

I miss the guy. He was sweet as pie. He'd always be out in the living room talking with my 60+ year old mom about Chicago (that's where she grew up & where he was from). I've thought about writing to him in prison, but I'm not sure I want the prison to have my address. lol Not to mention I'd be limited on what I could say to him too, since I know they read that shit before they give it to the inmates.

I wish none of it would have ever happened, cause then maybe I'd still be able to find heroin.

2019 was the year my life pretty much ended. My dealer went to prison & a few months later my mom was diagnosed with cancer.
He isn't even aware my mom died not long after he went to prison. Maybe I should try writing to him. I dunno.

Yaddah, if you're out there & happen to read this.... I miss you bro! And thanks for all the memories & good times! Me & Smash ( you know who that is ) are still around! Although I live 2.5hrs away from where I use to live now.

It's a sad situation all around though.
This is the same dude who let me keep that free 50 bag, because I was an honest person. Fuck I miss that guy! I don't believe he was a "cold-blooded killer", I think he just had a horrible life being stuck in gangs & street-life & I know he wanted out of it. In fact, he talked to me a week or two before this happened as well & I remember him telling me he wanted out of the dealing business & that he was scared of going back to prison & stuff. Re-reading how many times he shot the guy though, I'm not quite sure if that's self-defense. Lol More of "I'm gonna make sure you're actually dead". So I guess that would technically make him a killer. lol It's just hard to envision him that way because he was always so nice to me & my mom. We'd have arguments here or there, but nothing major. Makes me wish I would have been a better friend to him or something & maybe this could have been prevented. I dunno why he didn't just re-pay the guy for the heroin he fucked up instead of killing him either. Yeah I'm sure it was expensive, but both would have walked away from it with their lives & freedoms in tact.



Having a pretty bad day here today honestly. Next week is gonna fuckin' suck. Got 2 appts & our apartments are doing an inspection, so I'll have to clean & deal with that on top of dealing with my appointments. It's bullshit.
 
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Life has nuances...Theres no such thing as a purely evil person. Not to excuse murder but theres a reason why anyone gets too that point. Even most serial killers have a back story on why they got to that point.
I agree. He definitely wasn't an evil person. Though he probably could have gone about the situation a whole lot differently.
Shit, if he had told me what was going on, I could've tried to help him raise the money to pay back this dude he owed. But he never filled me in any of this stuff. I only found out about it after reading what's been said in court & news articles & stuff. Shit I had no idea this "Belcher" dude was controlling the phones either. Wonder how many times I tried calling or texting & it was actually going to this Belcher guy instead. Who knows though.

The guy use to help me & my mom out with food & cigarettes when we didn't have any. He definitely had a heart for people. I just think his life was too complicated.

Don't US prisons have internet & shit now a days? Maybe he'll come across this post about him & he'll see that I still think of his ass all these years later. lol
 
Depends on your offense and what kind of prison you at. Murder -- is up there, but if he isn't gang affiliated.....maybe? They be bringin burners in all the time anyways but those usually aint 'phone a friend' type of things.
 
I agree. He definitely wasn't an evil person. Though he probably could have gone about the situation a whole lot differently.
Shit, if he had told me what was going on, I could've tried to help him raise the money to pay back this dude he owed. But he never filled me in any of this stuff. I only found out about it after reading what's been said in court & news articles & stuff. Shit I had no idea this "Belcher" dude was controlling the phones either. Wonder how many times I tried calling or texting & it was actually going to this Belcher guy instead. Who knows though.

The guy use to help me & my mom out with food & cigarettes when we didn't have any. He definitely had a heart for people. I just think his life was too complicated.

Don't US prisons have internet & shit now a days? Maybe he'll come across this post about him & he'll see that I still think of his ass all these years later. lol
Those prisons are awful and they wonder why mlst people become worse when they get out. They practically have ptsd and cant function in society shit sound worse than war zone.
 
Thank you for your reply. I know some people say it's psychosis but I have reported this phenomenon for years now and just had a sleep study last night and am currently doing a hobby class weekly. I think if I was psychotic then I wouldn't be able to do these things. Thinking you're gang stalked might be a symptom of some mental illness but that doesn't mean that gang stalking doesn't happen.

I have even been with one of my brothers not long ago and he saw the police vehicle we passed and we spoke about it and I told him how I always see them about that time on my journey home whenever I go out. He raised his eyebrows but didn't say much. The security I actually see and they appear to "stalk" in that they are coincidentally walking right past me as I leave the centre EVERY time. I tried once a couple of years ago to film him and he approached me and asked me if I was filming. So I don't know how to prove it without making myself look crazy and I don't know how to get to the bottom of why it's happening. Mostly I just live with it and ignore it but every now and then I get upset and it gets to me and I speak out about it.
Ima be honest cops and security guards (in the case of security guards it might be vecause you look like a druggie) probably do surveil you, if you regularly do drug runs then will pay attention to you if they think you are a dealer rather than just a user.
 
Those prisons are awful and they wonder why mlst people become worse when they get out. They practically have ptsd and cant function in society shit sound worse than war zone.
True. He sounded terrified to ever go back there & I honestly cannot blame him.

I've been in jail numerous times, which I know isn't prison, but even then, with how small the rooms are, I was so claustrophobic that it induced anxiety & panic attacks in me. Not to mention there's no clocks or windows, so you have no idea if it's morning, noon or night, which can be really disorienting.

I remember one time I had to go sit two nights in jail for an assault charge. And I knew it was gonna suck from previous stays & make me anxious & panicky, so the night before I had to go sit, I drank 2 bottles of DXM cough syrup & a bottle of vodka to kill my nerves. Not a good idea though cause the next morning, my sister took me to go sit in jail. And you know how you have to be buzzed in from outside? Well when we did the buzzer & I told them what I was there for, I stupidly yelled "can you put me in a cell with a hot guy!?!?". lol I thought it was hilarious, but I could see my sister was really worried about me.

When I got in there, they asked me if I had been drinking & in my stupidity & I was like "Uhh yeah, how else do you think I was gonna deal with sitting here for 2 nights". These assholes charged me with public intox (which got thrown out thankfully) right then & there.

They put me in the drunk tank & left me in there for the whole 2 nights. I pretty much laid on the floor with a blanket wrapped around my neck (like I was trying to hang myself lol) and then the second day I spent it pacing back & forth & constantly asking all the sheriffs what time it was whenever I saw one come through. I couldn't wait to get the fuck out of there.


Did 2 nights another time as well, but I took tramadol before I went in. Which made the 1st night super easy cause I was feeling really good.
But that 2nd day, the withdrawals were creeping in & I could not sleep until I got of there after the following night. Only crazy thing I remember about that though was I had to share a cell with a big fat black man & a really good looking Serbian guy. And when I got in there, the black guy kept talking about raping me & trying to come over to my side of the cell. But the Serbian guy told him to knock it off, I dunno if the black guy was just messing with me or what though. And I remember the Serbian guy woke me up in the middle of the night because he said it looked like I was having a seizure, but I've never had any seizures that I'm aware of. I was probably just shaking & jerking in my sleep from the serotonergic aspects of the tramadol. But I remember him being a hot guy & he had a couple pictures of his girlfriend that he was waiting to get out & go back to. I'm glad I shared a cell with him & not TWO big horny black guys. lol Cause the Serbian guy seemed like some one who looked out for others & I liked that about him.

I refused to take a dump with everyone watching me the entire time too. lol I dunno how the fuck people deal with that. It's seems like such a humiliating thing. lol

Just that alone fucking sucked tho, so I couldn't imagine the time my dealer must've done & how bad it hardened him & just made him worse off.
He wasn't a bad guy, but the life he had to live caused him to have to do shit he'll probably regret for the rest of his life now. He still has a special spot in my heart & memory though, as the guy that gave me & my friends some wonderful times & memories. I'll never forget him!

Still strange though to think he could've killed me or something at any time. lol Although I don't think he'd kill somebody for no good reason, since it's not like he was a serial killer or something who got pleasure out of it or anything. So I think I was safe with him. I would ride with him places alone here or there, so he could have easily murdered my ass if he wanted. lol

There was another time I road with these 2 black dudes to Des Moines to go to his house & get some heroin. And while everyone was nodding off,they were spinning a gun around & playing with a gun. I'm like..."am I about to get killed tonight or are ya'll just trying to be cool?"...Keep in mind I'm the only white guy there. lol I had to practically drag them off the couch from nodding so hard, so that we could get our asses back driving home. I wasn't nodding at all, cause I had a "halfa-tolerance" from being on subs. And then I had to ride back home 2.5hrs with these two guys & I had bought the most heroin that night. I had never ridden with them anywhere before (atleast not these guys) but I knew them, so all that kept going through my mind on the way home was A) "I hope we don't get pulled over" and B) "I hope these two don't try & rob me because I bought the most brown".... But we made it home & everything was fine. lol These guys could have hurt me at any time & they never did. Of course they all knew they would've had to deal with the rage of my German/Polish mother if anything happened to me too. lol So that was probably a good deterrent. lol
 
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^Haha I had a friend that showed up to court on methadone but it wasn't on the drugscreen at the time and he got away with like his first 16 hours buzzed -- although probably in the drunk tank.
Ima be honest cops and security guards (in the case of security guards it might be vecause you look like a druggie) probably do surveil you, if you regularly do drug runs then will pay attention to you if they think you are a dealer rather than just a user.

Yea I wouldn't call that gang stalking that is legal surveillance --- until it isn't. Legal wiretaps with judge signoff and good probable cause -- sure.

Cop following you off duty in his spare time --- little suspect.. (Had that happen to a friend, a local cop really got it out for him during a divorce )
 
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