Fuckin Pathetic: NJ to Ban Smoking In Cars if Kids are Present

[QuestionEverything]

SpunkySkunk347, You have totally missed the point. Second hand smoke being harmful is not what's been discussed here up until you brought it up. I hardly think anyone is really trying to dispute that fact. You obviously have strong feelings about the subject from your own personal experience, and it seems you're allowing them to cloud your judgement.

Windows down or not it makes barely any difference. I was just in a car today in the back seat when the smoking driver had her windows down, I still coughed and choked. If you can't wait a matter of minutes to not have a cigarrete while driving, then maybe you are just a little bit addicted and should probably consider quitting.

You've got to be kidding me. Windows down makes no difference? That's asinine. I can't imagine smoking with windows rolled up, and have never in my entire life seen anyone do so. THAT would cause some choking and coughing - for the smoker and passengers alike. With windows down and wind blowing in your face, you are not going to breathe in the god forbid second hand smoke. Christ, the air in my city is probably worse for my kids to be breathing.

Are you really going to choose to take the drag of a cigarette over your own kids health? If so then shame on you.

Absolutely not. That's the number one reason I don't smoke in my house. The air in my house, unlike my car with windows down in the summer time, is somewhat stagnant and recycled. Cigarette smoke fucking stinks too, that's another reason I don't smoke in my house, but in my car - with windows down, my kids aren't being exposed to anything toxic other than the air filled with chemicals billowing from the big money plants.

Again, the point here is that these laws are being put out there as something to 'protect the kids' when they're nothing more than an invasion. [IMHO]

 

[garuda]

Look at who is likely to smoke, I'm talking income level.

Now what income level do the cops target when pulling people over for fishing expeditions?

No smoker I have ever met in my entire life smokes with the windows rolled up, if they have kids or not is irrelevant. If its raining or cold as hell outside they often just wait rather then smoke with the windows up.
Its easy to see someone smoking while driving, they are often holding their cigarette out the window between drags. That makes it easy for cops to spot and use as an excuse to pull them over.

In fact should this law be passed I would bet kids would have worse exposure to secondhand smoke, because people will keep their windows rolled up and smoke in their cars to avoid detection. They will get tinted windows and expose their kids to worse secondhand smoke trying to avoid a ticket.

Because if the drug laws have taught us anything, you cannot change peoples drug use with laws period, nicotine is no different.

 

[SpunkySkunk347]

I don't really think this law is an attack on personal freedom.
A lot of people are really pissed off about smoking in general, and well congress doesn't ignore that so of course a law is going to come around some time taking away the rights of smoking.

And of course there are more dangerous things that a smoker could be doing, like smoking while they are pregnant. It will be only a matter of time before that is highly illegal too,
but the government has to take some sort of step to initiate everyone for the anti-smoking laws that are going to come in the future.

I don't have any problem with people smoking, it's ok to do if you want to. I just don't like it when smokers will smoke around other people when they know that it bothers them.
To smoke when someone else is in the car (especially when they are bothered by it) just seems in my opinion to be a very self centered thing to do, and kids especially are helpless to speak up for themselves.

 

[Judas]

Its axactly about personal freedom. No matter what your stance on smoking, you should oppose this. The health issue and children safety is a smoescreen. Its just another means of extracting money from citizens, nothing like it is portrayed. And at th expense of privacy and personal freedom.

 

[Judas]

Think about another issue. For a poor family, if they get fined, money from their pockets, its just takin away from what they can use to support the family and their kids. And all over an issue that I believe doesn't even affect kids. Whats more harmful?

 

[AphexAcid93]

Fuckin' a. For the record, I agree with everything QuestionEverything said. I don't feel up to writing out a long-rant, but this is FUCKING BULLSHIT. coming from a chain-smoker. fuck.

 

[E-llusion]

Whatever you guys are trying to argue about personal freedoms and what not, the fact of the matter is if you smoke a cig or ANYTHING for that matter in a small enclosed space with window rolled down 1/2 inch or sometimes not at all (yes I have seen it MANY times) you cannot tell me all this smoke is good for the kids in the car.

I really don't care what the "hidden agenda" is here, but the fact of the matter is there is a lot of STUPID people who will do things like that, and yes they do need to be handheld by the government to change their ways, even if it means inconvenience for others (the ones with the windows open all the way).

If you want to smoke, knock yourself out, but don't expose your kids to smoke especially in such a small enclosed space and yes that would go for smoking at home as well.

I think the probelm with majority of BL demographic is that most of you are still kids and don't have any kids at all. When you do have kids, you will have a completely different perspective on many issues, including this one.

/ends rant

 

[SpunkySkunk347]

I don't see why this law is unreasonable, its not that demanding to not smoke with children in the car. Pull over to a rest area on long trips if you need to smoke.

It's not some government attempt to drain money from poor people. They wouldn't get a ticket anyways if they had obeyed the law.
And poor people aren't the majority of people who smoke, smoking almost equally effects ALL age/income groups. If you can show me a well written article that says "poor people are more likely to smoke" then I'll believe it.

I don't see people making flame posts on bluelight for any other thread but GOD FORBID a thread comes along about an anti-smoking law and everyone who smokes is just PISSED OFF and starts screaming and whining. They just can't handle the fact that something might limit their addiction. That's all this thread has been so far is people bitching and finding any excuse that this law is wrong instead of accepting the fact that it might be a good law.

SpunkySkunk347, You have totally missed the point. Second hand smoke being harmful is not what's been discussed here up until you brought it up. I hardly think anyone is really trying to dispute that fact. You obviously have strong feelings about the subject from your own personal experience, and it seems you're allowing them to cloud your judgement.

I was just justifying that this law is NOT an attack on personal freedom and it is to prevent second-hand smoke exposure. Then I had to give reasons why second hand smoke is bad because you'd be suprised that a lot of people on this thread actually deny that second hand smoke even exsists.

 

[Khadijah]

I dont think this law is an attack on personal freedom.
A lot of people are really pissed off about smoking in general, and well congress doesn't ignore that so of course a law is going to come around some time taking away the rights of smoking.

First of all, did you read the article. Congress didnt do jack shit. This is a BILL that got passed in the State of NJ. It aint a law yet, it needs the governor to approve.

So, lemme get this straight.

A lot of people dont like smoking, thats your justification for it to be illegal.

Im lookin, and lookin, but i dont see nothing to back up your theory that a law banning smoking will come around, other than "Alot of people are really pissed off at smoking in general." do you think that is a good reason for legislature? just put 2 and 2 together, right? "Lets come up with some good reasons to make smoking illegal, folks. Lets see, smoking is bad for your health, and a lot of people dont like it. Eh, good enough." pollution is bad for your health, and a whole lot more people dont like that, but it aint illegal, bush allows his corporate homies to do whatever the fuck they want. Oh, i got one, McDonalds is bad for your health, and alot of people dont like it. Lets ban those too.

A lot of people are really pissed off about Iraq in general right now and i dont see this country gettin the fuck outta there. People not likin smoking aint got shit to do with it, this aint a bill by the people and for the people. its to serve the interests of the legislator that came up with it.

the guy that sponsored this is "A long time anti-smoking advocate" , kinda like MADD is "Anti-drunk driving advocates." and everyone knows how fair and balanced and totally rational MADD is. (fair enough to purposely use fake and skewed statistics to make their cause look better, and support making alcohol 100% completely illegal, and reasonable shit like that.) The anti-tobacco lobbyists are just as bad as the pro tobacco ones. who are you kiddin, open up your eyes, you think that just cuz someone is against smoking that makes them some trustworthy wholesome individual, both sides are just as shady as the other. this dude aint no different. Hey, suprise suprise, hes also the one who sponsored the "No smoking in restaurants or bars in NJ" law too.

And of course there are more dangerous things that a smoker could be doing, like smoking while they are pregnant. It will be only a matter of time before that is highly illegal too,
but the government has to take some sort of step to initiate everyone for the anti-smoking laws that are going to come in the future.

How do you know this shit? you come off like a 16 year old who just finished your sophmore year report on the dangers of secondhand smoke. so far none of your posts had any factual information in them just your personal opinions on this shit, and then you come out talkin like you know a bunch of secret info that no one else is in on.

Smokin will never be illegal. the tobacco companies make so much money and got so much ties to the government, dont you realize this? You think that this shit is for peoples benefit, NO, its so the police can make more money, and to serve the interests of the lobbyists and "advocates" that demand this type of shit. its one big screaming contest and whoever screams the loudest gets the bills wrote up. how do you think MADD gets all those laws made, because they come out fire n brimstone charging head on and make such a huge fuckin fuss over shit that politicians aint got no choice but to listen. the anti smoking is the same.

What is it gonna take for you to realize that these aint the "good guys" there is no good side in politics. right now you think that this shit is all fine and dandy but when you see that cigarettes stay legal and just get more and more restrictions on them, yet, hmmm they still are legal, youll realize that its just a fuckin stunt and no one is out there campaigning for fresh lungs and clean air its all fuckin bullshit just like all the rest of the legislature is. i dont know why you think that suddenly its all innocent and with the best interests of the people at heart just becuz its a bill that supports something healthy.

I don't have any problem with people smoking, it's ok to do if you want to. I just don't like it when smokers will smoke around other people when they know that it bothers them.
To smoke when someone else is in the car (especially when they are bothered by it) just seems in my opinion to be a very self centered thing to do, and kids especially are helpless to speak up for themselves.

Guess what? life sucks. Theres a whole lotta shit that everybody does everyday that bothers me, and i cant do jack shit about it cuz it aint my life and it aint my place to tell others what to do. to try and change what other people are doing in their own life, cuz it "bothers" you, thats the whineyest crap i can think of short of paris hilton.

To smoke when someone else is in the car...What if the other people aint smokers but aint bothered by it? Then is it still selfish? cuz i know a whole lotta people like that. Also, guess what, In my car ima do what the fuck i want, whether or not you like it. I dont give a shit if my passengers dont like smoking, why, cuz check it out - when im in their car, I cant smoke cuz they dont like smoking!

do you see the pattern here? my car=doin what i want. other peoples car=doin what they want. Respect goes BOTH WAYS. This reminds me of the stupid girls who insist that guys should put the toilet seat down. Why? if theres 2 people, one male and one female, whats the difference? Why aint the GIRL the one geting bitched at for leaving the seat DOWN? Either way, someone is gonna have to move the seat, why should it always be down for the girl, maybe she should remember to put it back up for the guy when shes done. Its that same bullshit with cigarettes, with the smokers bein the guy that constantly gets bitched out. and the non smokers being the whiney nagging-ass bitch that cant shut the fuck up, because they assume that everything should be catered to THEM instead of compromising.

since when does a smoker have less rights than a non smoker. why do the smokers get expected to cater to every single whiney little desire of the non smokers. it aint enough to have no smoking inside, it also must be 20 feet from the building. oh now thats too close, cuz the air blows some of the smoke near the door when nonsmokers walk by, so lets make that 100 feet. Oh but then people in the parking lot can smell it so maybe smoking should only be allowed in your own vehicle. Oh but the smoke is coming out of the windows, and other people in the parking lot can kinda, almost, a little bit smell it, so lets just ban it all together since we dont want to offend the non smokers.

Im fuckin sick of people actin like smoking is some kind of morally disgusting thing , or character flaw, or whatever. why is it that everyone believes that smokers should just turn the other cheek to everything all the time. oh well, theyre killing themselfs, so they shouldnt be allowed to smoke in their cars. Oh well, it smells bad, so its OK that smoke breaks aint allowed at work. shit that aint even related.

And just quit with the helpless children shit. Children aint helpless to speak up for themselves. A baby, infant, or toddler cant do much, and a little kid feels like they ave to listen to their parents, but they still aint helpless to speak for themselves. they might not be able to change their parents mind, or do anything , but they are definately capable to express what they want. try and tell me otherwise, cuz i seen a good amount of kids willing to tear apart worlds just to get a fuckin candy bar they want.

i said it before ima say it again. And i got many a good smack as a kid so dont tell me that shit about kids gettin beat up by their parents around your way. where do you come up with this shit from? 12 is the oldest age youre even slightly helpless at. shit when i was 13 i smoked weed and cigarettes, how helpless is that?

and like QE and many others said already, SMOKING WITH THE WINDOWS DOWN leaves almost NO smoke at all, so its a pointless arguement anyways. i dont know what kind of crazy car you were riding in, but it had to be pretty fuckin amazing and unique, cuz every car i ever been in my life didnt keep smoke inside while moving with the windows down.

If you got any responses based on fact and not emotion, come thru with those, cuz your repetition is gettin old and not gettin you anywhere.

 

[QuestionEverything]

I don't see people making flame posts on bluelight for any other thread but GOD FORBID a thread comes along about an anti-smoking law and everyone who smokes is just PISSED OFF and starts screaming and whining. They just can't handle the fact that something might limit their addiction. That's all this thread has been so far is people bitching and finding any excuse that this law is wrong instead of accepting the fact that it might be a good law.

I don't see anyone screeming and whining except for you in your earlier posts. The rest of us here have been quite good and putting forth our thoughts and carrying on a civil discussion, minus a few people (which you have in nearly every thread).

I would totally support something against pregnant women smoking. Not a law making it illegal, but you know, funding to help them stop, provide education. Not only that, but I'd support the same programs for people with children that smoke in general. Living in a house with a smoker is bad enough (if they smoke inside), but having two parents that smoke inside around their children is much more of an issue.

Don't be so fast to get behind this law just because it's anti-smoking, Spunky.

Whatever you guys are trying to argue about personal freedoms and what not, the fact of the matter is if you smoke a cig or ANYTHING for that matter in a small enclosed space with window rolled down 1/2 inch or sometimes not at all (yes I have seen it MANY times) you cannot tell me all this smoke is good for the kids in the car.

I have never in my life as a smoker only put the windows down 1/2 an inch. I would rather not smoke. I have never seen this either, not once. I can't say that it never happens, but I think it's pretty rare. Just to make it clear again, I smoke in my car in warm weather, with the windows DOWN, not cracked, down. I don't smoke in my car in cold weather.

I still find it hard to believe you've ever seen anyone smoking with their windows rolled up. First of all, your eyes would be burning like hell, second, it would be near impossible to breathe, let alone drive. For the sake of this discussion, we'll say you have seen it once or twice, what have you seen more - people with their arm and a cigarette hanging out the window, or someone smoking with the windows up?

I really don't care what the "hidden agenda" is here, but the fact of the matter is there is a lot of STUPID people who will do things like that, and yes they do need to be handheld by the government to change their ways, even if it means inconvenience for others (the ones with the windows open all the way).

A lot of stupid people will smoke with their windows up? Again, I think stupid people would rather be comfortable than smoke with their windows up. It just seems so far fetched to me.

The government needs to hold the hands of the stupid people? Dear god help us all. There are a lot of stupid people, and a lot more stupid things to do than smoke in your car. I guess you back handholding by the government for all that shit too huh? Talk about draconian.

If you want to smoke, knock yourself out, but don't expose your kids to smoke especially in such a small enclosed space and yes that would go for smoking at home as well.

Small, enclosed spaces. I agree, completely.

I think the probelm with majority of BL demographic is that most of you are still kids and don't have any kids at all. When you do have kids, you will have a completely different perspective on many issues, including this one.

/ends rant

I am 27 years old and have two children, which I stated very early on in this thread.

 

[E-llusion]

QuestionEverything,

My arguments are not applicable to you as you seem to be responsible , however we are not talking about you here, we are talking about people in general and people are known to do stupid things. Trust me I have seen this MANY times, more than once. Especially in Winter time, I used to spend 1-2 hours per day in my car in parking lots in shopping malls, and I have seen this countless times.

Forget the laws, let's take it a step further shall we ? If people are responsible parents, why should your kids be exposed to seeing you (the parent) with any drug use at all be it legal or illegal ? Do you shoot heroin in front of your kids ? Do you snort coke at the dinner table ? My guess is not for most folks, so why smoke in front of your kids, especially in your car where it will directly affect them.

 

[QuestionEverything]

QuestionEverything,

My arguments are not applicable to you as you seem to be responsible , however we are not talking about you here, we are talking about people in general and people are known to do stupid things. Trust me I have seen this MANY times, more than once. Especially in Winter time, I used to spend 1-2 hours per day in my car in parking lots in shopping malls, and I have seen this countless times.

But let's take it a step further shall we ? If people are responsible parents, why should your kids be exposed to seeing you (the parent) with any drug use at all be it legal or illegal ? Do you shoot heroin in front of your kids ? Do you snort coke at the dinner table ? My guess is not for most folks, so why smoke in front of your kids, especially in your car where it will directly affect them.

I understand nobody is directly attacking me. I like a good debate. : )

Regarding the second part of your response; if we're going to take it that far, why stop there? What about caffiene? Caffiene is a drug, and it's one people (myself not included) GIVE their kids. I drink it though, and they see me drink it.

Then once again we have to ask, what about food? While it may not be a drug in the conventional sense, it sure has addiction and abuse potential as well as well known adverse effects on health. I don't see any laws looking to keep stupid people from giving their kids McDonalds on a daily basis.

Why? Because while there are some stupid people who do that, it's assumed most people know better and aren't that ignorant. Why is smoking any different???

There has to be a line. At some point people have to be left to their own devices, stupid or not.

 

[Khadijah]

Regarding the second part of your response; if we're going to take it that far, why stop there? What about caffiene? Caffiene is a drug, and it's one people (myself not included) GIVE their kids. I drink it though, and they see me drink it.

Then once again we have to ask, what about food? While it may not be a drug in the conventional sense, it sure has addiction and abuse potential as well as well known adverse effects on health. I don't see any laws looking to keep stupid people from giving their kids McDonalds on a daily basis.

Why? Because while there are some stupid people who do that, it's assumed most people know better and aren't that ignorant. Why is smoking any different???

There has to be a line. At some point people have to be left to their own devices, stupid or not.

Word up mama!!

You are the voice of reason, Im the voice of "What the fuck!?" Thanks for your posts in this thread.

 

[SpunkySkunk347]

lacey k, you brought it.

A lot of people dont like smoking, thats your justification for it to be illegal.

Yea people don't like to breathe in smoke when someone else around them is smoking.

Im lookin, and lookin, but i dont see nothing to back up your theory that a law banning smoking will come around, other than "Alot of people are really pissed off at smoking in general." do you think that is a good reason for legislature? just put 2 and 2 together, right? "Lets come up with some good reasons to make smoking illegal, folks. Lets see, smoking is bad for your health, and a lot of people dont like it. Eh, good enough." pollution is bad for your health, and a whole lot more people dont like that, but it aint illegal, bush allows his corporate homies to do whatever the fuck they want. Oh, i got one, McDonalds is bad for your health, and alot of people dont like it. Lets ban those too.

A good reason for this legislature is that smokers dont have the fucking right to hack up carcinogenic smoke in other people's god damn faces. People shouldn't have to take smoker's self centered bullshit if they don't want to.
Intentional pollution is illegal too. And eating mcdonalds doesn't effect other people around you. If i ate mcdonalds, im not going to shove a cheesburger down your throat too just because im doing it next to you, am i?

A lot of people are really pissed off about Iraq in general right now and i dont see this country gettin the fuck outta there. People not likin smoking aint got shit to do with it, this aint a bill by the people and for the people. its to serve the interests of the legislator that came up with it.

Your right, Iraq has nothing to do with this shit. So stop trying to heartstring people on your side by bitching about Iraq with this "if you support anti-smoking, you support iraq" bullshit. One issue is dealing with a substance, the other is a god damn war.

the guy that sponsored this is "A long time anti-smoking advocate" , kinda like MADD is "Anti-drunk driving advocates." and everyone knows how fair and balanced and totally rational MADD is. (fair enough to purposely use fake and skewed statistics to make their cause look better, and support making alcohol 100% completely illegal, and reasonable shit like that.) The anti-tobacco lobbyists are just as bad as the pro tobacco ones. who are you kiddin, open up your eyes, you think that just cuz someone is against smoking that makes them some trustworthy wholesome individual, both sides are just as shady as the other. this dude aint no different. Hey, suprise suprise, hes also the one who sponsored the "No smoking in restaurants or bars in NJ" law too.

if you think that the HORRIFYING spike in lung cancer, lung problems, and deaths since the popularity of smoking began is a "fake and skewed statistic to make their cause look better" then go ahead and be an ignorant prick.

How do you know this shit? you come off like a 16 year old who just finished your sophmore year report on the dangers of secondhand smoke. so far none of your posts had any factual information in them just your personal opinions on this shit, and then you come out talkin like you know a bunch of secret info that no one else is in on.

Your posts of bitching and complaining aren't any better than a post that lacks factual information. And it doesn't take a god damn genius to know second hand smoke is bad. I'm coming from personal experience, your coming from a pissed off smoker who wants to smoke whenever the fuck he wants to with complete disregard to other people's health.

Smokin will never be illegal. the tobacco companies make so much money and got so much ties to the government, dont you realize this? You think that this shit is for peoples benefit, NO, its so the police can make more money, and to serve the interests of the lobbyists and "advocates" that demand this type of shit. its one big screaming contest and whoever screams the loudest gets the bills wrote up. how do you think MADD gets all those laws made, because they come out fire n brimstone charging head on and make such a huge fuckin fuss over shit that politicians aint got no choice but to listen. the anti smoking is the same.

MADD has nothing to do with this. Are you saying that the laws passed against durnk driving are not good laws? Drunk driving kills people, and if someone is caught drunk driving they deserve the fine and jail time.

What is it gonna take for you to realize that these aint the "good guys" there is no good side in politics. right now you think that this shit is all fine and dandy but when you see that cigarettes stay legal and just get more and more restrictions on them, yet, hmmm they still are legal, youll realize that its just a fuckin stunt and no one is out there campaigning for fresh lungs and clean air its all fuckin bullshit just like all the rest of the legislature is. i dont know why you think that suddenly its all innocent and with the best interests of the people at heart just becuz its a bill that supports something healthy.

I don't give a damn if politicians are evil, or whatever point your trying to make. So what if they make a million fucking bucks off of smoking laws. I'm glad I'm not breathing the shit in anymore atleast, and I'm sure plenty of kids who are going to live longer are happy as well.

Guess what? life sucks. Theres a whole lotta shit that everybody does everyday that bothers me, and i cant do jack shit about it cuz it aint my life and it aint my place to tell others what to do. to try and change what other people are doing in their own life, cuz it "bothers" you, thats the whineyest crap i can think of short of paris hilton.

If you don't like the shit that other people do, and it endangers your health, sue the bastards, this is 'Merica mmkay. Under the constitution if someone endangers your health you HAVE the right to stop them.
And the whineyest (even a word?) crap i can think of is someone bitching that they can't smoke cigarettes around KIDS none the less.

To smoke when someone else is in the car...What if the other people aint smokers but aint bothered by it? Then is it still selfish? cuz i know a whole lotta people like that. Also, guess what, In my car ima do what the fuck i want, whether or not you like it. I dont give a shit if my passengers dont like smoking, why, cuz check it out - when im in their car, I cant smoke cuz they dont like smoking!

Go ahead and do that, and show all your passengers that you care more about yourself then you do them. I'm sure they'll like it and find it sexy.

do you see the pattern here? my car=doin what i want. other peoples car=doin what they want.

Sure, and I would choose not to ride in your car because you would smoke. But do kids have that choice? No.

since when does a smoker have less rights than a non smoker. why do the smokers get expected to cater to every single whiney little desire of the non smokers. it aint enough to have no smoking inside, it also must be 20 feet from the building. oh now thats too close, cuz the air blows some of the smoke near the door when nonsmokers walk by, so lets make that 100 feet. Oh but then people in the parking lot can smell it so maybe smoking should only be allowed in your own vehicle. Oh but the smoke is coming out of the windows, and other people in the parking lot can kinda, almost, a little bit smell it, so lets just ban it all together since we dont want to offend the non smokers.

What fucking laws are you talking about?

Im fuckin sick of people actin like smoking is some kind of morally disgusting thing , or character flaw, or whatever. why is it that everyone believes that smokers should just turn the other cheek to everything all the time. oh well, theyre killing themselfs, so they shouldnt be allowed to smoke in their cars. Oh well, it smells bad, so its OK that smoke breaks aint allowed at work. shit that aint even related.

I don't give a damn if that is the way other people think about you. You made the choice to smoke and you knew damn well that some people would judge you that way.

And just quit with the helpless children shit. Children aint helpless to speak up for themselves. A baby, infant, or toddler cant do much, and a little kid feels like they ave to listen to their parents, but they still aint helpless to speak for themselves. they might not be able to change their parents mind, or do anything , but they are definately capable to express what they want. try and tell me otherwise, cuz i seen a good amount of kids willing to tear apart worlds just to get a fuckin candy bar they want.

I can't tell you how many times i've seen a kid say "Mom, could you please not smoke in the car right now" and the parents had said "We are almost there just wait!" or "Just let me finish this cigarette OK!"

i said it before ima say it again. And i got many a good smack as a kid so dont tell me that shit about kids gettin beat up by their parents around your way. where do you come up with this shit from? 12 is the oldest age youre even slightly helpless at. shit when i was 13 i smoked weed and cigarettes, how helpless is that?

What the fuck is a 13 year old gonna do when his parents start smoking around him? Grab it out of their mouths and throw it out the window OR better yet he should just bail from the car altogether.

and like QE and many others said already, SMOKING WITH THE WINDOWS DOWN leaves almost NO smoke at all, so its a pointless arguement anyways. i dont know what kind of crazy car you were riding in, but it had to be pretty fuckin amazing and unique, cuz every car i ever been in my life didnt keep smoke inside while moving with the windows down.

Maybe you don't choke on smoke when the windows are rolled down since your lungs are so FRIED that you can't tell, but I sure as hell can.

If you got any responses based on fact and not emotion, come thru with those, cuz your repetition is gettin old and not gettin you anywhere.

Where is one fucking well-researched fact in your whole 10 paragraph rant?
Oh excuse me, 16 paragraph rant

 

[DarthMom]

Word up mama!!

You are the voice of reason, Im the voice of "What the fuck!?" Thanks for your posts in this thread.

but cigarette smoke is more dangerous than caffiene or the occasional junk food.

i don't necessarily agree with legislating this, but i sure as hell am not going to be up in arms and pissed about this. i will find other things detrimental to children to bitch and moan about.

as a smoker, i find it absolutely disgusting, and do NOT smoke around strangers, much less my kids (well, that isn't true, i do what i can to not....i make them leave my presence if we are outside and i am smoking) it is reprehensible to inflict my bad habit upon others.

 

[SpunkySkunk347]

I don't see anyone screeming and whining except for you in your earlier posts. The rest of us here have been quite good and putting forth our thoughts and carrying on a civil discussion, minus a few people (which you have in nearly every thread).

Apparently you didn't read the post above your's mate.

I would just like to point out this from the very article you posted lacey k.

The committee added an amendment proposed by Sen. Tom Kean Jr. that would devote the money from fines to state-funded smoking cessation programs.

No government is getting rich off this you dumbass.

 

[QuestionEverything]

Is there really a need to name call?

Word up mama!!

You are the voice of reason, Im the voice of "What the fuck!?" Thanks for your posts in this thread.

: )

but cigarette smoke is more dangerous than caffiene or the occasional junk food.

It is, but occasional is not what's being discussed . . .

QuestionEverything,

My arguments are not applicable to you as you seem to be responsible , however we are not talking about you here, we are talking about people in general and people are known to do stupid things. Trust me I have seen this MANY times, more than once. Especially in Winter time, I used to spend 1-2 hours per day in my car in parking lots in shopping malls, and I have seen this countless times.

But let's take it a step further shall we ? If people are responsible parents, why should your kids be exposed to seeing you (the parent) with any drug use at all be it legal or illegal ? Do you shoot heroin in front of your kids ? Do you snort coke at the dinner table ? My guess is not for most folks, so why smoke in front of your kids, especially in your car where it will directly affect them.

I understand nobody is directly attacking me. I like a good debate. : )

Regarding the second part of your response; if we're going to take it that far, why stop there? What about caffiene? Caffiene is a drug, and it's one people (myself not included) GIVE their kids. I drink it though, and they see me drink it.

Then once again we have to ask, what about food? While it may not be a drug in the conventional sense, it sure has addiction and abuse potential as well as well known adverse effects on health. I don't see any laws looking to keep stupid people from giving their kids McDonalds on a daily basis.

Why? Because while there are some stupid people who do that, it's assumed most people know better and aren't that ignorant. Why is smoking any different???

There has to be a line. At some point people have to be left to their own devices, stupid or not.

It's all about that invisible line.

 

[Khadijah]

I hate smoking. Fuck you if you smoke.

Come back and post something when you are emotionally stable. its impossible to even take anything you say seriously. either be mature about it and discuss whats actually the issue here, or continue to repeat yourself getting nowhere, while STILL MISSING THE ENTIRE FUCKING POINT of what everyone else is discussing.

FYI:

Your right, Iraq has nothing to do with this shit. So stop trying to heartstring people on your side by bitching about Iraq with this "if you support anti-smoking, you support iraq" bullshit. One issue is dealing with a substance, the other is a god damn war.

OK, that shit obviously went right over your head. i compared it to iraq because you stated that "A lot of people not liking something is a good reason for it to be illegal or put a stop to the practice." I brought up iraq because its a example of something that a lot of people dont like, but apparently that aint a good enough reason to stop the war, so why the hell should it be a good enough reason for something else.

If simply "Not liking" something is a legit reason to make a law against it, then that gotta apply to everything, not just things that YOU dont like personally.

I dont even know where the hell in sweet christs name you came up with the idea that i was saying "If you are anti smoking, you support iraq" Which makes me suspect even more that you didnt do too good in highschool on the "What is the author implying?" part of your standardized testing.

 

[motorcyclist]

edited out my sarcastic comment

 

[DarthMom]

It is, but occasional is not what's being discussed . . .

they why did YOU bring it up initially?

edit* i see, my apologies, i brought up the term occasional in regards to junk food. in that case, your post is kinda moot, there are cases where childrens diet is becoming something that is cause for removal from the home, though only in extreme cases at this point. i will leave the post instead of erasing.

Regarding the second part of your response; if we're going to take it that far, why stop there? What about caffiene? Caffiene is a drug, and it's one people (myself not included) GIVE their kids. I drink it though, and they see me drink it.

Then once again we have to ask, what about food? While it may not be a drug in the conventional sense, it sure has addiction and abuse potential as well as well known adverse effects on health. I don't see any laws looking to keep stupid people from giving their kids McDonalds on a daily basis.

Why? Because while there are some stupid people who do that, it's assumed most people know better and aren't that ignorant. Why is smoking any different???

There has to be a line. At some point people have to be left to their own devices, stupid or not.