Friend new to psychedelics, advice?

[Plexi]

Hey,

So... I'm about trip with a friend next weekend. I was just wandering should we take 25i-nbome or 4-aco-dmt. I have experience in both of those research chemicals (and others, natural too), but my friend is only familiar with drugs like alcohol, weed and poppers.

First I thought that I would choose 25i-nbome, just because I have read its less mindfuck than 4-aco-dmt, but then it came to my mind that actually 4-aco-dmt could be better of a choise, because it's basically shrooms and therefore more "natural" trip than 25i-nbome that is more kind of a "chemical" trip. So I'm not really sure anymore which one I should choose for our evening.

I'm sure we are about to smoke bowl or two of weed also. When I last experienced with 4-aco-dmt I didn't smoke green one at all, it was just the powder. With 25i-nbome I did smoke a bowl, because alone it really didn't hit the spot for me and after smoking it really did intensify the trip to a whole new level. Because I haven't mixed 4-aco-dmt and weed I'm scared what could come out of it, with 4-aco-dmt I didn't even feel the urge to smoke, but with 25i-nbome there really was the urge, at least for me, maybe because I like the mindfuck.

But for a friend who is totally unexperienced with psychedelics (aside weed), what would You recommend? I want this to be pleasent experience for my friend. I'm aware that he could have bad trip and I have researched how to steer him away from it, if it seems that he is having one, but this is also one problem, how bad/good sitter am I if im totally out of my mind?

So please, give me some advice, thank you in advance.

Plexi

ps. sorry for possible bad english

 

[Solipsis]

Hi and welcome to Bluelight. :D

I'm sorry but we don't allow "what should I take?" threads of this kind. Some forms of comparisons are allowed for example if they are direct analogues.

You can check the Beginner's FAQ (link in my signature below) for general advice using the forum, and also please read the rules where we also mention what I just said about some things not being allowed.

The solution for this is to read up on both compounds and just put them side by side. We want to avoid people just making the decision for you which is something we cannot and will not do.
But FWIW, without trying to explicitly choose for you, I agree about the sentiment about 4-AcO-DMT being a bit more natural - not because there is a real difference between drugs found in nature and synthetics (4-AcO-DMT is made synthetically as well), but because the direct metabolite 4-HO-DMT, psilocin, is indeed found in mushrooms which have been used historically and are known to be physically safe.

In general novel research chemicals may not be ideal to use for a first psychedelic trip.

On the other hand 4-AcO-DMT can give more trance-y and deep trips while NBOMe compounds tend to be more clear-headed. Clear-headed trips tend to be tolerated better by beginners because the associated mind-fucks are often not too hard to get out of. In this respect 4-AcO-DMT may be a bit more confusing. It can also trick you into thinking that you are not really tripping that hard while the next moment you feel how incapacitated you actually are. Tricky.
4-AcO-DMT can be dosed a bit more reliably since it can sometimes be hard to say how much of a 25I-NBOMe dose actually reaches the brain due to absorption issues and loss of product via swallowing of saliva. You don't really have that problem with 4-AcO-DMT.

Whichever one you choose, a beginner should always start with a low dose and smoking cannabis or doing other combinations right the first time is not really recommended because it makes the effects more unpredictable and potentially confusing and more intense than expected. If you must, take one or two tokes to start with and give it 10-15 minutes to see what happens before you take more.
To be able to guide well, don't take a huge dose yourself but make sure that you get not more than a strong ++ and not a wild +++.

There are other (dis)advantages with every different drug, you must weigh them yourself.

Please use the Psychedelic Index to check the 4-AcO-DMT and 25I-NBOMe threads - let him/her read a bunch of trip reports and decide. Pay close attention to set and setting and a number of classic golden rules (like dosing low and reponsibly and avoiding combinations the first time), that is probably more important than the choice of drug.
If you want to change the setup of this thread or if there are any questions you can PM me. Otherwise maybe create another new thread later on.

You know what.. because you are quite new I will give you the chance to repond here first before I close this thread.

Good luck.