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French Elections Called: LePen vs Macron

Well...it does exaggerate slightly for dramatic effect.
Maybe, maybe not. But him using that to justify ad hominem is cheap.


Geez I hate this tablet..might be a good time for a mod with desktop access/one who knows how to make their phone browser mock a desktop move many of these posts out to the "ISIS sleeper Cell Thread" where we can debate in a friendly and insightful manor if ISIS exists or not, and whether or not it is sending soldiers of allah to a european union country near you. Or Ill get dressed and go next door to a pc and do it myself. Id like to keep is thread about French elections.
Without ISIS and the refugee problem Le Pen would not have the chance to win. And first election shows she does. You said it yourself, the right uses those topic to rise to power. What fuelled brexit ?
 
Guys....i get it. Im not a tard. So stick with France and if the French will vote for LePen in may so she can cleanse France of alleged Isis cells (one near you).
 
Maybe, maybe not. But him using that to justify ad hominem is cheap.


Without ISIS and the refugee problem Le Pen would not have the chance to win. And first election shows she does. You said it yourself, the right uses those topic to rise to power. What fuelled brexit ?

Brexit was in part an economic move as the UK was not doing better as part of the EU. In fact housing was becoming unobtainable in price. Availability due to the fresom of movement in Europe (not Refugees, just other European nationals moving there to benefit from the UK economy and other services available such as nhs)

And the whole Greece bail out bullshit. That would have been tough to swallow for UK. The taxes paid there going to prop up a country that had a non existant tax system. France would have had to go through the same thing.


What reasons are there to stay in the EU for France? The free trade market there may not even work in Frances favour.

The border to Belgium is also a problem with some terririst activity being traced to a terrorist hotbed in Belgium.

Maybe it is time to just cut their losses if there are any and leave the EU as the decisions being made by them have resulted in financial loss and social angst.
 
Id suspect the French equivalent of the FBI handles that? The thing is...a country *should* be able to keep track of its seasoned citizens better than an immigrant of unknown vintage. Its not like the Assad govt has a handle on anyone much these days and is sharing data with the good people of France. If this tablet auto rotates on me again you guys wont see me for days.
 
For context and to better understand the inner workings of the MGS mind....the "one near you" comment actually derives from the theme song to White Trash Bed And Breakfast. I was literally singing it as I typed. The words out....an snl skit.

At the isis terror sleeper cell, (one near you).

http://www.mefeedia.com/tv/23359513
 
Brexit was in part an economic move as the UK was not doing better as part of the EU. In fact housing was becoming unobtainable in price. Availability due to the fresom of movement in Europe (not Refugees, just other European nationals moving there to benefit from the UK economy and other services available such as nhs)
Weird because I do recall Mr Farage yapping his big mouth about immigrants day in and day out, sure there were other topics and arguments such as the NHS where he lied about diverting funds from EU to their NHS 350 million a week he said, days after exit with a shit eating grin on his face admitted to that being a bullshit and called it "one of the mistakes we made" But he did use the immigration from both the EU and outside of it for his agenda.

And again you don't need brexit for that, all you had to do is to make free health care available to people who live and pay taxes in the UK, and there were mentions that the system that was supposed to make that happen didn't. They have a system that's easy to exploit. But you don't go after a fly with a bazooka.

I also remember reading about the housing prices, and that the solution wasn't kicking people out, the government is thinking about tax reform to make the price of the first house lower.

Most of the problems UK has could be fixed without breixit.
 
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Terrorist attacks is a really small part of the problem. Countries just letting in any one without knowing if they are criminals or not is a bigger problem.
im just as concerned about general thieving scummy cunts being allowed into the uk as I am jihadis.
Lol. You wouldn't want the white thieving scummy cunts getting upset would you.
 
I know right, like that guy in London who was born there, you'd think that after being born in a different culture he wouldn't get converted that easily. But he did.
But yeah it's a boogeyman, it's not people actually get killed by both fresh immigrants and those who's been there for generations. The right is making all those acts of terror up, none of them actually happened.
That 7 year old girl who got torn in half by that truck is Sweden, that didn't happen, it's a right wing created boogeyman.
Thanks for opening my eyes.

Is that what you call reason? Looking at facts and ignoring them? Getting pissed on and claiming it's rain?

There's about 50,000 Muslims in my state. Most in my area.

Care to explain how I'm still alive even though there's so many Muslims around me? I can't even recall a terrorist attack locally, except one done by a white guy who decided to take revenge on his work place.
 
Well it says they are either rapists or terrorists.
Yes it does. there is also a post which says those responsible for that hitch a ride with actual refugees. No cherry picking.

There's about 50,000 Muslims in my state. Most in my area.

Care to explain how I'm still alive even though there's so many Muslims around me? I can't even recall a terrorist attack locally, except one done by a white guy who decided to take revenge on his work place.
Same shit different poster. Not all muslims are terrorists just as not all refugees are. Also lucky your state, Europe seems little less lucky.

Is this seriously the only narrative you guys can come up with ? Either all of them are or none of them are ?
 
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Some people like to suggest the left hates all religions except post 9/11 Islam...well and veganism, socialism, man made climate change, etc. This might be why there is the all or nothing mentality with regards to whether or not there are soldiers of Allah hiding among refugees.
 
I dont think any of us are saying that there are no bad eggs amongst the millions if refugees. Some on the right feel inclined to paint them all as rapists and murderers. To say in a post they are all rapists and murderers is saying just that. Its not cherry picking to highlight that post. A very wide brush was used there regardless if you contradict yourself elsewhere. If you mean some and not all then write SOME ffs.
 
Same shit different poster. Not all muslims are terrorists just as not all refugees are. Also lucky your state, Europe seems little less lucky.

Is this seriously the only narrative you guys can come up with ? Either all of them are or none of them are ?

My view is that the percentage of those who are terrorists is such a small amount that it's irrelevant.
 
Is this seriously the only narrative you guys can come up with ? Either all of them are or none of them are ?
it's the narrative we're debating because you were the one that initially said;
And the far lest does nothing but flood our countries with refugees who either kill and rape or are down right terrorists pretending to be refugees. If those are my choices I choose far right every time.

either -
rape or kill or are downright terrorists.

between those 3 options, you leave no other for "the good ones".
they're your words, not mine. you asked me to prove what i was saying, using one of your quotes, so i did. it was the first of its kind as i scrolled through, and that's the one i used.
deliberately or not, that quote does state that refugees are either murderers, rapists or terrorists.

it's not my narrative - i'm not the one talking in absolutes.
when you say that the result of refugees either rape, murder or terrorist acts, you've given us a narrative which i'm now refuting

can you see why i'm critical of that rhetoric? can you see why it's a problem for large amounts of people to actually believe that sort of stuff is true?
of course you are going to have tensions when your country is bringing in refugees, but divisive politicians and people who support them fill people with fear, suspicion and hostility?
it means the refugees aren't given much of a chance to become a part of the community, when the original community won't allow that to happen, out of fear.

that's why the LePen approach is (set up to be) doomed - the lack of social cohesion is a self-fulfilling prophecy.
it doesn't need to be that way - people can stand up to the politics of fear and not be pushed around by demagogues.


"the left" aren't flooding your countries with refugees - war is.
war that has caused enormous regional destabilisation from the toppling of Iraq and Libya and the civil war in Syria (to name just a few places people are fleeing).
"the left" aren't to blame - the world is in a fucked up mess, with millions of people being displaced from their homes and their lives by vicious fighting across the middle east.

hardline border turnbacks are incredibly inhumane - basically just sending desperate civilians to go back where they came from, and face death from violence, exposure or starvation, or drown trying to reach land somewhere else.

it's easy to say "refugees aren't my problem" or to believe that refugees themselves are the problem - but this whole disaster is so much bigger than this issue of immigration or..."cultural compatibility" (whatever that is).

refugees are people that need help, and if they don't get help - a lot of them die.

the countries that refused asylum to shiploads of German jewish refugees during the early 1940s probably didn't feel so proud as time went on. the idea that human lives aren't worth saving for some vague fearful idea of being "flooded" with refugees (hyperbole if ever i've seen it) is just emotive, highly exaggerated mythology.
 
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Spacejunk said:
"the left" aren't flooding your countries with refugees - war is.
war that has caused enormous regional destabilisation from the toppling of Iraq and Libya and the civil war in Syria (to name just a few places people are fleeing).
"the left" aren't to blame - the world is in a fucked up mess, with millions of people being displaced from their homes and their lives by vicious fighting across the middle east.

Absolutely spot on, my friend :)
 
Looks like le penn is doing really well in election poll. Could actually win.

I'm not up on politics so What would it mean for France if a far right candidate were to win and become president?
 
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