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Freebase Coke (Crack) - 1st time - Not all its cracked up to be

My point is people generally dont smoke crack occasionally, they just dont. Its too addictive. I have a couple friends and a brother in law (father of two of my wonderful nieces) who have fucked themselves on crack, so please excuse me if I seem like a dick. But when I look into my nieces eyes, I know I would be crushed if they followed the path of their father. Crack is a horrible form of cocaine, and should be wiped off the face of the earth. I hate my Brother in law for doing that to my sister and her kids. If your brother in law hit your sister and threatened to steal their kids, while delusional on crack, you would have the same feelings as me. I hate stimulants, the only place they should have is in medical settings. So please dont tell me Im cruel, the second you think youve whipped the drugs, thats when you lose.
 
Beenhead said:
My point is people generally dont smoke crack occasionally, they just dont. Its too addictive. I have a couple friends and a brother in law (father of two of my wonderful nieces) who have fucked themselves on crack, so please excuse me if I seem like a dick. But when I look into my nieces eyes, I know I would be crushed if they followed the path of their father. Crack is a horrible form of cocaine, and should be wiped off the face of the earth. I hate my Brother in law for doing that to my sister and her kids. If your brother in law hit your sister and threatened to steal their kids, while delusional on crack, you would have the same feelings as me. I hate stimulants, the only place they should have is in medical settings. So please dont tell me Im cruel, the second you think youve whipped the drugs, thats when you lose.
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Well now "weekend addiction" ... so you got someone with extensive past personal experience (moi) and someone with close relatives who've seen it first hand both saying about the same things. Yet I still encourage you to go ONE HUNDRED PERCENT with your heart on this issue. Just please -- learn all you can about what it does in your brain and body and go into it with wide open eyes. Not 95% open, not 99% open, 100% open. 'Luck.
 
OK y'all - - thanks for all the discussion. Maybe if I just start going down the wrong path I can get in touch with you guys for help. Later ...
 
travelaroundNC said:
OK y'all - - thanks for all the discussion. Maybe if I just start going down the wrong path I can get in touch with you guys for help. Later ...
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definately me, thats why Im here. My advice is to not even go down that path a little, not even to look at the scenery


MDPVagrant thanks for the level headed approach.
Also according to your name you must know something about Piperizines.
What do you think about the addictive potential of Piperizines? There is something about them that just seems dangerous, perhaps it is my bias against stimulants. hell, I have the same feelings on the psychedelic amphetamines, and Im ademant about Psychedelics being very wonderful drugs.
 
OK - - question for Mr. Beenhead moderator: after this discussion I thought about going out to drug culture and starting one of those poll questions but I don't think I have the capability to do that. Anyway, I think this may be an interesting poll. Could you tell me how to do it or maybe start it.

This is what I was thinking: Poll - Smoking Crack. There has been a discussion thread about if it is possible to be a long time occaissional smoker of crack without getting addicted. Hence, this poll. What has been your experience as a crack smoker?
1) I've never smoked crack
2) I've only smoked crack a few times
3) I am a long time "occaissional user" of crack
4) I was once addicted to crack, but am now clean
5) I am a current crack addict

Do you think this may be a useful interesting poll? Thanks
 
MDPV isn't exactly a piperazine, although it's chemically similar.

Also, that poll could be useful, but it wouldn't belong in TR. It would go in OD probably.
 
Beenhead said:
You may not hear form them, because theyre all out looking for another hit and stealing anntennas from their neighbors cars to get high righ now.
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your getting me in trouble at work i cant stop laughing
 
Thanks Beenhead ... I just sent a private message with my poll request to one of the moderator of the "other drugs" section so hopefully he or she will do it.
 
Beenhead said:
MDPVagrant thanks for the level headed approach.
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'Pleasure... I'm a major harm reduction booster, altho never have been into E (the main focus of bluelight)... tried to get a specific harm reduction forum started on "that other Euro drug board" but no such luck (I'm a platinum member there).
Also according to your name you must know something about Piperizines.
What do you think about the addictive potential of Piperizines? There is something about them that just seems dangerous, perhaps it is my bias against stimulants. hell, I have the same feelings on the psychedelic amphetamines, and Im ademant about Psychedelics being very wonderful drugs.
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If you were asking me -- being in the USA, I don't know much about piperazines (except that many are illegal here, at least the reasonably good ones :p).

Bias against stimulants is common, and in many cases even called for... but it's always cool when people are at least willing to hide it. =D

I actually have something of a bias against psychedelics (they tend more to give me panic attacks than insight) and *some* of their users myself... sometimes the attitude comes across they have a monopoly on drug-related life lessons. I try not to accuse all psychonauts of this, cuz not all are guilty. But that is a different topic.
Beenhead said:
Is MDPV a Phenethylamine?
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No, it's an analogue of alpha-pyrrolidinopropiophenone. A small and very exclusive family of designer subbies at this point. Some people call it a pyrovalerone analogue, but I believe it's more like a sister/brother compound (see link). MDPV is a selective dopamine reuptake inhibitor, IME possibly one of the most selective in existence. It has been known to trigger sexual orgies (with or without others being around ;)) and IMO is unfortunately quite as addictive as crystal meth, maybe more so. People who've tried dumb things like smoking it have run into severe problems.
 
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All I'm saying is to keep an open mind. Crack can ruin your life. It ruins alot of people's lifes. Should you try it? Only you know the answer. The risk that it will ruin your life or make you feel like your missing out on something is too great if you are unsure. By the way, my brothers drum teacher uses crack around once a month. Not addicted, perfectly content with occasional use. I know that these cases are exceptions and not the rule. Just trying to let you guys know that there are plenty of exceptions. Every time someone hears the word crack they thing of this horribly addicting drug that will pull you to the bowels of hell and you'll be completely helpless to do anything.
 
Actually, MDPV does have a phenethylamine backbone embedded in it. It is a relative to Methcathinone, Bupropion (welburtin) and Methylone.

Vagrant: Umm, if you take offense to what I said, then perhaps you have a problem? I used to be addicted to dexedrine, and I speak from experience, as well as others' experiences that I've witnessed.
 
Hi Mr. Beenhead Moderator Dude ... it's me again ... the moderator of the other forum never replied to me so maybe can you or can you send to another reliable moderator you know the request to post my crack poll I suggested above? Again, I was thinking something like:

Poll - Smoking Crack. There has been a discussion thread about if it is possible to be a long time occaissional smoker of crack without getting addicted. Hence, this poll. What has been your experience as a crack smoker?
1) I've never smoked crack
2) I've only smoked crack a few times
3) I am a long time "occaissional user" of crack
4) I was once addicted to crack, but am now clean
5) I am a current crack addict

Thanks much!
 
Wow - very interesting discussion. In response to the question of whether there are recreational (occasional) crack and coke users. I have a couple of close friends that us coke a few times a year and crack maybe once or twice a year and that's it. Other than that they just stick to their weed. Maybe that is what helps them not jones is they are baked when they come down. I too find that when I am jonesin something fierce that weed helps me get past the craving. I don't really like weed cause it knocks me out and makes me feel lethargic - but I am willing to do anything to fight the cravings. Please dont get me wrong - i am NOT an occasional user - once i have my first line thats it - nothin can stop me but running out of money and things to pawn. Its really really sad actually. It have even hit the "sexual favours" point to get another hit. I know occasional users are out there - and they are lucky people cause I don't have that in me. Peace.
 
i know people who use crack and cocain occasionally.
I also know people who used it once and were hooked.

it depends on the person. some people have more addictive personalities than others.
I have only used crack 3 times in my life.
I used cocaine about 5 times a year for 3 years. Then I used a needle and it turned into a demonic everyday addiction. I have probably IV'ed cocaine thousands of times...and it is a horrible addiction because it feels so good.

Sometimes addictioons take years to fully develop, sometimes days....it depends on the person and the chemical used
 
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