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Misc Found some Tuinal(secobarbital and amobarbital)

RDP89

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So this is kind of crazy, but I work at a warehouse that has alot of donated items. So it’s not uncommon to find some really old stuff sometimes, possibly from someone cleaning out an elderly relative’s house who died or whatever the case may be. So today I see a pill bottle lying on the ground. I think it fell out of some clothes or something. Even from ten feet away, I can tell this fucking thing is ooooold. Sure enough, I check it and it’s tuinal prescribed in 1981. Looks like some doctor prescribed it to himself. The original prescription was 12, but there were 5 pills left. 1 and a half grain, which means they’re the 100 mg. ones, 50 mg. of each active. I wonder if they have lost potency? They’re the classic lilly bullet capsules. I’m glad they are capsules and not tablets.
 
They've most likely degraded in 43 years. Interesting find, though.
 
They'll still be well over 80% of the original activitiy. 20 year old shit is well over 90%, so it could even be in the 90s. Id say take em and see what happens. (Tried and true harm reduction)
 
They'll still be well over 80% of the original activitiy. 20 year old shit is well over 90%, so it could even be in the 90s. Id say take em and see what happens. (Tried and true harm reduction)

I don't know for certain, but this statement jives with a lot of what I have previously heard regarding the potency of drugs over time. I know even a decade ago, I heard that Morphine Syrettes from World War 2 were still potent enough to use. I think this 80% mark is a good place to start.

I think most people are going to use 200mg-300mg if they are looking for a recreational experience. I imagine 100mg Secobarbital/Amobarbital would be enough to make you nice and relaxed. Cool find though.

If you're not familiar, there is this really cool subreddit r/obscuredrugs or something like that. It's entirely about people acquiring, finding and sometimes using really old and/or obscure stuff that they're able to fine. I bet they'd appreciate a picture and an experience report as would we!
 
I'm surprised a pharmaceutical company combined the two(-in-all). I could see drug users doing it, but not a pharmaceutical company, that just sounds excessive.
 
"elderly relative’s house who died or whatever the case may be. "

Don't touch my shit morty
 
I don't know for certain, but this statement jives with a lot of what I have previously heard regarding the potency of drugs over time. I know even a decade ago, I heard that Morphine Syrettes from World War 2 were still potent enough to use. I think this 80% mark is a good place to start.

I think most people are going to use 200mg-300mg if they are looking for a recreational experience. I imagine 100mg Secobarbital/Amobarbital would be enough to make you nice and relaxed. Cool find though.

If you're not familiar, there is this really cool subreddit r/obscuredrugs or something like that. It's entirely about people acquiring, finding and sometimes using really old and/or obscure stuff that they're able to fine. I bet they'd appreciate a picture and an experience report as would we!
I have used 1 morphine vial/syrette from ww2 ln my late grandmothers cellar.

Barely active though UV-radiation might have oxidized it.
 
Does everyone have these cool experiences but myself? Jeez. That's pretty cool man. So was it a syrette or a vial and how did you end up using it? I'm curious. I'd be wanting to just roll up the sleeve and push it in, but I'd probably be too worried to do so. Thanks @bingey
 
Curious to know how Amytal is compared to Seconal (the two drugs in "two-in-all").
 
I also had a great find back in 2016 and Tuinal was on the list.

Original packaging (undispensed) around 30 capsules expired around 1988.

They were 🔥

Posted link to previous post below for reference.... I did also sample many other barbs if you are interested in my "review" of those not mentioned.... let me know.

Here is the link

https://www.bluelight.org/community...do-they-produce-euphoria.942930/post-16162330

Edit Weed is the only addition needed if you do smoke it. It compliments the combo superbly.

Will try source the pic I took of the Tuinals for you (i did mention I would try find it in the linked post, but now I have motivation). :LOL:
 
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I have a great deal of experience with barbiturates and will chime in here.

I've done Vinylbital, Thiopental, Secobarbital, Pentobarbital, Amobarbital, and Phenobarbital. Potency is in that order. No, this isn't a joke.

[A few years back I also did a joking take on a barb I called Flynnal. This is because my name LOL. I wanted to create a bit of an entertainment for everyone. That stuff is not real, despite my claiming it was. It was just for a laugh. Hahahaha but the other barbs including Vinylbital are indeed real]

The thiopental (pentothal) beat pentobarbital, no contest and with a much quicker onset of action. The amobarbital wasn't that much stronger than phenobarbital, but it was definitely a bit more euphoric. This is one of the weaker oral barbs, with secobarbital and pentobarbital being widely known as the strongest oral barbs (that is, until you compare them to Vinylbital)... Secobarbital beat pentobarbital in potency and was close to thiopental and the euphoria lasted a lot longer with no major hangover effect.

The most potent barbiturate of all was Vinylbital. That one was absolutely the king of barbiturates and it's very toxic as well apparently. And before someone says that Vinylbital isn't real I'd invite them to do some Google-Fu.

My experience with Vinylbital was quite recent (2015) and one that totally changed my opinion on Nembutal and Seconal and knocked them off their perches, both of them.

As far as oral barbiturates go, Vinylbital is King, Seconal is Queen, and Nembutal is Prince. Vinylbital is about as potent as thiopental so it's more potent than Seconal. From my experience it could be the most potent oral barbiturate on the planet. That shit really, really kicked my ass for sure. I almost couldn't believe how strong that shit was. Immediate inebriation. IMMEDIATE inebriation. God awful hangover too. Took 200mg and when it first hit me I thought I was going to pass out, it was that potent. Woke up gasping for air twice whilst I was asleep that night. But that was my fault entirely because I forgot I'd taken it and then drank one 375ml bottle of standard strength beer a few hours later which was a really dumb idea in hindsight - you should never drink alcohol if you've taken barbiturates, EVER. A good idea is to get all booze out of your house if you've taken barbs, because of the nature of these drugs you might even forget you took the damned thing.
Are Barbiturates a lot stronger than Benzodiazepines? I've got tons of experience with benzos but I've never taken barbs and I'd love to try them but they're just too hard to find :(

Not necessarily. They are stronger in the sense that they work on a deeper level as a CNS depressant, but I would say benzos are a lot stronger, since you need a much smaller dose to get a sedative effect.

But as far as how deep they go in terms of CNS depressants, barbiturates win every time. Benzos still go reasonably deep but they don't go really deep, as in the brainstem so they don't affect breathing or other vital functions. This is what makes barbiturates so dangerous.
 
Old downer head and alchy here.
Never drink on downers. Don't do it. Do as I say, not as I do. Seriously, bad idea.
But, if you do do it. Here's the thing.
Take one, just one of the heavier downers. Placidyl, barbs, Doriden. Wait about 45 minutes for it to take effect. Then drink much more slowly, monitoring the effect more than you already do. Whisky is out due it's easy to overdo sometimes sudden onset.

Where people run into problems is taking a downer when already drinking. That's suicidal. Even old high tolerance downer and alcoholic folks don't do that. That's why they're old.
One of the medical advantages that ushered benzos in was a much higher dosage needed for overdose. Benzos also potentiate alcohol much less. Think of that. All the talk about how dangerous drinking on benzos can be and they are they the kinder gentler choice.
So, if you've already got a good dose of booze still being absorbed in your stomach and you throw a heavier downer in there, it's just suicidal.
I didn't do that when I was drinking > than a fifth of hard likker a day, every day.

But, just don't do it at all. Benzos and booze is kiddy stuff. When I was drinking, I foolishly did pop Valiums throughout the night while drinking. Wouldn't have thought of a barb while already drunk. Even if you don't overdose, it's easy to "Hendrix" (vomit and aspirate it)
 
I don't know for certain, but this statement jives with a lot of what I have previously heard regarding the potency of drugs over time. I know even a decade ago, I heard that Morphine Syrettes from World War 2 were still potent enough to use. I think this 80% mark is a good place to start.

I think most people are going to use 200mg-300mg if they are looking for a recreational experience. I imagine 100mg Secobarbital/Amobarbital would be enough to make you nice and relaxed. Cool find though.

If you're not familiar, there is this really cool subreddit r/obscuredrugs or something like that. It's entirely about people acquiring, finding and sometimes using really old and/or obscure stuff that they're able to fine. I bet they'd appreciate a picture and an experience report as would we!
I’m trying to get pics uploaded, but both tinypic and imgur are giving me problems🤷
 
Took 3 over the course of about 1 hour 45 minutes. Feeling like a million bucks right now, absolutely vibing to music!! For context, former alcoholic, haven’t drank in 5 and a half years. And come to think of it haven’t done any gabaergics in that time, other than a little bit of gabapentin once. So tolerance is a non-issue. As far as potency loss, I have no idea what these doses would normally feel like, but the pills are certainly quite active. Definitely the oldest substance I have ever used.
 
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