Found a new needle type, vanishpoint.

[Bigd555]

Hey guys, this is a thread for those who use their drugs with needles and for those who don't use wheel filters.

Tonight I got a prescription refilled for Relistor (methylnaltrexone), basicly its a injectable drug that is for severe opiate constipation. This is a stronger form of Narcan (although its naltrexone vs naloxone) and when injected it sends you into instant precipitated withdrawals. Well I dont use these unless I have gone more than 3 weeks without shitting, I take out the needle, the alcohol pads and the Relistor vials for use incase I or someone I am with OD's. Since I use wheel-filters I use luer lock syringes, and 3ml syringes to hold all of my drugs since they wont fit into a normal 1ml syringe (I take upto 62mg of Dilaudid and sometimes I mix in 20mg of Ambien, so I need bigger barrels than standard insulin syringes).

Getting on with the point/story, I save them for friends or when I am out of clean needles / clean barrels. Inside of the pack of relistor is a new type of needle, a vanishpoint brand syringe. Basically its a syringe where the needle is specially spring loaded and has a special plunger when you use the needle once and push down the plunger all the way, the needle will dissappear into the syringe. This is a fantastic idea for when you are with friends and you are afraid that there the slightest possibility of using someone elses needle. With these new vanishpoint brand needles there is no possibility of using a used needle, whether it's your own, or someone elses. Also another benifit to these are the fact that you dont need a sharps container, or another container you use to hold the used needles. You just place the cap on the needle and even if the cap comes off, it's still impossible for you to get stuck with yours or someones elses needle. I googled these and a box of these arent much more expensive than regular BD's, about 5-10 bucks more expensive for 100, and they range from 1ml-3ml-5ml and 26g to 31g.

I am just sharing a cool new needle type I found with you so you guys can be safer when you are in a nod circle or in a house with multiple IV users. But as always I recommend using a minimum of 0.8ug wheel filters, and I myself filter with 0.8 and then I finish with 0.22 so the 0.22 doesn't clog, and it gets the maximum amount of filtration.

Sorry it took me so long to get to my point.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

Coo, never heard of these syringes before, sound like a great harm reduction supply.

 

[BlueHues]

^Yeah, but...you often have to take the needle out more than once and re-adjust to hit a vein....

do they retract the second you take them out after sticking yourself?

Or, is it some sort of thing where you make the needle retract when you're done?

 

[Swimmingdancer]

^Yeah, but...you often have to take the needle out more than once and re-adjust to hit a vein....

do they retract the second you take them out after sticking yourself?

Or, is it some sort of thing where you make the needle retract when you're done?

As the OP mentioned, the needle retracts once you completely push the plunger down. Here's a handy video that explains:

 

[alovesupreme]

sorry to thread-jack but you're speaking from first-hand experience when you say that using methylnaltrexone induces PWDs if you're high on opiates? just curious; the molecule is "supposed" to not be able to pass the blood-brain barrier so in theory it prevents peripheral side effects like constipation without effecting any of the CNS effects of the opiate and, i would assume, causing PWDs... but you're saying this in fact isn't the case? maybe i am just confused as to how MNTX is supposed to work?

 

[Swimmingdancer]

sorry to thread-jack but you're speaking from first-hand experience when you say that using methylnaltrexone induces PWDs if you're high on opiates? just curious; the molecule is "supposed" to not be able to pass the blood-brain barrier so in theory it prevents peripheral side effects like constipation without effecting any of the CNS effects of the opiate and, i would assume, causing PWDs... but you're saying this in fact isn't the case? maybe i am just confused as to how MNTX is supposed to work?

Yeah, that's interesting, I'm curious about that too. It's marketed as not causing precipitated withdrawal or reducing analgesia, as it is supposed to act only on peripheral opioid receptors and not cross the blood brain barrier, but from the studies I've read it can cause some peripheral withdrawal symptoms like abdominal cramps, rapid need to defecate, painful defecation, diarrhea, and feeling light-headed or strange, and it can decrease analgesia to specific types of pain or cause some withdrawal type pains like aching bones. But the OP said:

This is a stronger form of Narcan (although its naltrexone vs naloxone) and when injected it sends you into instant precipitated withdrawals. Well I dont use these unless I have gone more than 3 weeks without shitting, I take out the needle, the alcohol pads and the Relistor vials for use incase I or someone I am with OD's.

I really don't think you could say it's a stronger form of Narcan. Narcan is naloxone, a strong shorter-acting opioid inverse agonist which is centrally acting and reverses all the effects of opioids, and is used to counteract life-threatening depression of the central nervous system and respiratory system induced by opioids. Methylnaltrexone is a peripherally-acting opioid antagonist that acts to reverse some of the side effects of opioids such as constipation and itchiness. Because it contains a permanently charged tetravalent nitrogen atom, it shouldn't be able to cross the blood–brain barrier, and is not supposed to be able to cause real precipitated withdrawal or reverse opioid overdose. So I certainly wouldn't rely on it to reverse ODs.

 

[maxalfie]

That type of syringe would be perfect for homeless drug users who just leave their used needles on the ground where they had their hit.
They would ensure no children or anyone else could be pricked by a dirty needle.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Glad to hear about these.

 

[JessFR]

I've actually seen this distributed in packs for IV users in Australia. Not very common but I've seen them. So I guess someone out there agree's it's a good idea.

Ones I saw were 1ml 27g ordinary orange cap insulin needle, just with the ability to snap the needle inside after pushing harder than you would normally on the plunger.

 

[Bigd555]

no they only vanish when you completely depress the plunger on the syringe, you can readjust as many times as you want but once you completely push down the plunger then the needle goes away.

I've actually seen this distributed in packs for IV users in Australia. Not very common but I've seen them. So I guess someone out there agree's it's a good idea.

Ones I saw were 1ml 27g ordinary orange cap insulin needle, just with the ability to snap the needle inside after pushing harder than you would normally on the plunger.

Completely like this, you have to push the plunger down harder than normal then it will go up into the special plunger part making them 100% safe and you cant stick yourself or others once its used up.

sorry to thread-jack but you're speaking from first-hand experience when you say that using methylnaltrexone induces PWDs if you're high on opiates? just curious; the molecule is "supposed" to not be able to pass the blood-brain barrier so in theory it prevents peripheral side effects like constipation without effecting any of the CNS effects of the opiate and, i would assume, causing PWDs... but you're saying this in fact isn't the case? maybe i am just confused as to how MNTX is supposed to work?

Yea you still go through withdrawls but they are short acting, meaning within 15 mins you are back and high again. So like I said the ones I dont use for constipation releaf I keep them so I can keep myself and my friends who IV safe and alive till parametics get their (if the OD is bad enough) or I can just keep injecting them until the drug gets out of your/their system enough to stop the OD. I have actually ODed and had to give myself a few shots to keep myself from going completely under... So its a good safety net to have around. Also they can bring someone completely out of their OD so it isnt just acting on constipation. I myself have used it for OD's.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

It looks good but... the force of the retraction looks like it might be a little rough on your veins.. You're supposed to ease out gently to avoid doing damage.. That thing looks a bit violent on the veins from that video of the IM injection.

 

[Bigd555]

It looks good but... the force of the retraction looks like it might be a little rough on your veins.. You're supposed to ease out gently to avoid doing damage.. That thing looks a bit violent on the veins from that video of the IM injection.

I was screwing around with them using 3-4 needles and seeing all their quarks but you dont have to depress the plunger all the way when its in the vein, all you have to do is push it down till you encounter resistance at the end of the plunger depress, and then pull the needle out of the vein and then once its out you can depress and retract the needle, so its not violently ripped out of your veins.

Also I wont give out the whole process because I believe in only using a needle once, but you can use a lighter to make the spring pop out of the needle and it will then be able to be used multiple times without the needle retraction, but this defeats the purpose of a needle that retracks the needle so you can only use it once and then the harm reduction part of a retractable needle is then rendered useless. But yea most people who use needles in parks and wherever other non users are around (especially places with kids) will benifit greatly from using these instead of normal needles so that people wont accidentally get stuck or share needles and then contract blood born illnesses from used needles. So I say that ALL needle exchanges should buy these instead of normal needles and then people wont be able to share needles or get stuck by needles laying in public areas. I think these should be the needle of choice for ANY AND ALL needle exchanges. The 5 bucks extra for a box of 100 is a SMALL price to pay for those immense benefits.

 

[BlueHues]

There is a way to break the whole top of the syringe off in the cap that pretty much has the same effect....I only met a few people who knew about this, but I've used it ever since I was shown....It's really easy....Just cap the needle and jam it hard into the ground on a slight angle...the whole top part breaks into the cap and its near impossible to get it outta there...

 

[Leaping Gnome]

I just saw the movie "Puncture" on Netflicks yesterday about them. It was a true story what it took to get them on the market because big company would lose money. I would recomend watching it.

Leaping Gnome

 

[Bigd555]

There is a way to break the whole top of the syringe off in the cap that pretty much has the same effect....I only met a few people who knew about this, but I've used it ever since I was shown....It's really easy....Just cap the needle and jam it hard into the ground on a slight angle...the whole top part breaks into the cap and its near impossible to get it outta there...

Ya ive seen 2-3 IV users in videos/documentories/real life do this and snap the needle and cap off at once, but not many people do this. Also these new Vanishpoint needles make it just about 100% impossible to share needles, use the same needle 2x, and leave needles around where people get stuck. You just depress the plunger all the way down and it will retract the needle point into the special plunger. This means that sharp containers arent needed, or any other container to keep others from getting stuck. Also since you can use these once and only once, the risk of spreading blood born illnesses are cut down to near zero (and I say near 0% because nothing is impossible) so I think all needle exchanges should move to using these, and I think that they would save money and severely decrease the risk of accidental pricks/sticks, having to buy sharps containers (Which would save them money) and alot of other great benefits.

I just saw the movie "Puncture" on Netflicks yesterday about them. It was a true story what it took to get them on the market because big company would lose money. I would recomend watching it.

Leaping Gnome

Ill have to watch that movie, because those types of movies and documentaries are highly interesting to me. Ill let you know what I think of the movie today or tomorrow because I have a lot of programming work to get caught up from being behind since just before the holidays. If I didnt work from home I would of already been a supervisor by now and I can code better/faster than my current supervisor so he has no idea if I ever get behind, unless I am over a few months behind and even then since I am so valuable to the company, all they will do is get me someone else to help with my job (though I hate programming with others because they are so slow) so there's nothing I can do wrong in their eyes. I am like the golden boy LOL, which is why I partake in nodding every day multiple times a day, and playing between 2-5 hours of different games (Black Ops 2, SC2, World of tanks, and WoW are the games I play the most right now).

P.P.S Sorry I am typing too much again. I talk/type/tell corny jokes too much when I nod out.

 

['medicine cabinet']

ive had these before, i grabbed a bunch of 1cc spikes from the er room i was in and noticed there was a tiny spring inside, once the plunger was fully depressed and given a hard push it popped the needle into the barrel. i remember this because i had to reuse one so i was careful to not let the spring engage the needle. brilliant idea whoever holds the patent for these. almost eliminates the need for a sharps container.

 

[Serotonin101]

my Exchange hands these out in the 3ml sizes. we also have these 1ml barrels that when you're done using them, you pull the syringe through a sleeve that's attached and doesn't allow it to be reused (I preferred these more as the spring load mechanism freaked me the fuck out when I fully depressed the plunger to get that last little bit in the barrel). personally, I don't like em. granted its great for harm reduction purposes.

 

[RedRum OG]

Saw this in a netflix movie once, can't remember the name. That one douche bag actor was the main guy. Helpful right.

Anyways, I kind of like the idea, but if they just sold clean needles to anyone with money at pharmacies, this wouldn't be necessary.

Also, push plunger down, needle retracts.... If I'm understanding that correctly, anyone who's ever IV'd anything could tell that's a bad idea

 

[Bigd555]

Saw this in a netflix movie once, can't remember the name. That one douche bag actor was the main guy. Helpful right.

Anyways, I kind of like the idea, but if they just sold clean needles to anyone with money at pharmacies, this wouldn't be necessary.

Also, push plunger down, needle retracts.... If I'm understanding that correctly, anyone who's ever IV'd anything could tell that's a bad idea

if you take the needle out of the vein before you fully depress the plunger then you dont get that thing if you pull a needle out of a vein too quickly... I forget what its called.But in any case even if they sell needles to anyone, at any pharmacy its still a great idea because of careless IV users who leave needles laying around, cap on or off. Even if the cap is on its still dangerous because the caps dont stay on perm. This way even if you dont put a cap on and leave these laying in a ball pit at "Chuck E Cheeses" then no one will get stuck and there will be a lot A LOT less accidental blood born illness contractions from careless IV users, or people who share their needles (although if they sold clean needles at all pharmacies then IV users wont share needles in the first place)

 

[omt]

This definitely sounds like a great innovation. I've never heard of this in the UK.