Foreign Drug Scenes
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Cheers. Like I said, everything i wrote was basically just from my own personal experiences ansd from talking to others ... so it's not definitive or indisputably correct.
In Thailand I never tried to look for heroin, so it's entirely possible it's there. I just tried it in Vietnam cause the opportunity came up and I thought I'd like to experience it. Only smoked it, so no IV action!
What contradictions did you think of?
drug_mentor
Bluelight Crew
Just the ones i listed, I didn't think there were many drugs in Japan. Vietnam I thought had quality heroin and Cambodia I thought was full of quality methamphetamine and heroin.
That is just impressions I have picked up from various places, I am not disputing or arguing with your experiences. :D
You have some balls to be doing shit like that in South East Asia.
That is just impressions I have picked up from various places, I am not disputing or arguing with your experiences. :D
You have some balls to be doing shit like that in South East Asia.
I was never blatant about my inquiries, and more often than not it was just a word of mouth thing that you heard from different people. It's entirely possible you'd be right about Vietnam and Cambodia. in Vietnam I only tried heroin once, and that was smoked, not injected. Yaba yaba / meth is really common place with locals in Thailand so geographically it'd just make sense that you'd also be able to get it in the surrounding countries.
I was only in Vietnam/Cambodia for about a month each, and doing drugs wasn't the reason I was there, so I was never looking that hard at all. It's likely that you can get good quality heroin and meth there ... neither of those drugs really interest me, so that might be why i don't have much to report on them.
Japan I think is just being there long enough that you know where to go and who to talk to. I lived there for 2 years and after a while it's as easy as anywhere else (probably easier than New Zealand actually!) to score hard drugs. I'm sure if you asked your average Japanese businessman they'd say there aren't any drugs in Japan, but it just depends if you know where to go. The guys I used to score off initially did there thing about 100m from the local police box near a subway station in a very busy suburb.... it was blatant, which lead me to believe they had yakuza protection. I don't see how they could of done it otherwise.
I was only in Vietnam/Cambodia for about a month each, and doing drugs wasn't the reason I was there, so I was never looking that hard at all. It's likely that you can get good quality heroin and meth there ... neither of those drugs really interest me, so that might be why i don't have much to report on them.
Japan I think is just being there long enough that you know where to go and who to talk to. I lived there for 2 years and after a while it's as easy as anywhere else (probably easier than New Zealand actually!) to score hard drugs. I'm sure if you asked your average Japanese businessman they'd say there aren't any drugs in Japan, but it just depends if you know where to go. The guys I used to score off initially did there thing about 100m from the local police box near a subway station in a very busy suburb.... it was blatant, which lead me to believe they had yakuza protection. I don't see how they could of done it otherwise.
I would worry less about getting busted than getting ripped off. I'm sure I'd be an OC addict by now if it wasn't for my general distrust of street dealers... and I'm a big boy. 6'2, 280lbs. These junkies and crack heads will hold a knife to your throat for $20, or run you around town and deke out the back of a store.
I don't think undercover cops can initiate first contact. It's tough to get a conviction to stand up in court when the threshold to commit a crime is lowered by open solicitation.
I saw many of them in Harajuku too, talk about being conspicuous. I had one of them follow me and some girlfriends of mine down an alley once (probably because we're obviously foreigners) till we ditched him. I never encountered MDMA for sale, but I did know the Nigerians had coke/shabu/hash. I also never found any heroin, which kind of surprised me (being the far east and all..)
I think the whole area of Harajuku/Yoyogi-koen/Shibuya is very full of the "youth" and "rebellious" sort of culture, therefore also seems to be one of the few places to find drugs... other than Roppongi. I wonder if the Nigerians are employed by the Yakuza?
Overall though, they sketched me out, OTC dihydrocodeine ftw.
chrisinabox
Bluelighter
^yak is cocaine i believe.
chrisinabox
Bluelighter
^oh ok gotcha, didn't think of that at all.
askaboutme
Bluelighter
yack is coke
South American Drug Scene
Acording the the south african bluelighter hexxx and other things i've read: they are major players in the dope scene in Johannesburg and most are characterized on the whole as being business like and pleasant to deal with.
I think its way cool there is so much written in this thread about the dope scene in Japan- a country thats somewhat eningmatic. I wanted to shift gears and look at a different continent. In post #221 of this thread I asked for info about the scene in South America especially some of the more developed southern countries like Chile, Argentina, and Brazil. I even asked about the Falklands (Las Islas Malvinas) for shits and giggiles. Didn't get a resposne here but got two in a similar thread i started in North ans South America DD. I think I might have a post in this thread covering the scene in Columbia but i know i posted on that countries drug scene in another forum. The South Pacific region has also interested me but couldn't get a whole lot of info except that cannabis and to a much smaller extent meth are the drugs of choice.
This post is from Uberminsch and was his first post ever and was very well written:
HI ! this is my first post on this forum.
I happen to live in Buenos Aires, Argentina (born and raised) & I´m afraid I can answer to some of your inquiries right now.
First of all: the most extended drug here is marihuana, mainly smuggled from Paraguay, but there´s also a large community of personal indoor-cultivators. Social tolerance to this substance´s abuse seemed to growth significantly the last 5 or 6 years.
Now speaking of "real" drugs: YES, cocaine is the stuff of choise when it comes to hardcore abusing. The prices aren´t THAT low in matter of fact... and street dealers often mix it with almost anything you can imagine. However, being this close to Colombia and Bolivia, one old-time and well contacted consumer can get his hands on some high quality material. IMO coke is THE number one upper here, being used by almost everyone wanting to enjoy a wild evening, from young to old... it just became the cornerstone of the party-pack.
I recently had the chance to test some crystal-meth... man, that really hitted the spot for me!! Being almost too afraid to smoke it, I swallowed and snorted some. It´s usage isn´t too widespreaded (since it´s a newcomer here), and contacting a guy that deals it is not so easy at all.
LSD is pretty much an easy thing to get, the quality of it goes from birthday´s confetti to mind bending pieces of despair.
MDMA is often manageable in pure crystal form, but most commonly on pills. The quality of it covers a wide range of purity.
Ketamine is a more sectarian substance of the raver community.
RC´s... well THAT is something very rarely found in this corner of the world. I (being an old-timer in this games) had the chance to get my hands on some 2ci and 2ce from a street dealer friend of mine, who almost pulled my head off in the pricing... but it surely worth the bills. I´m now trying to contact an online vendor worthy of trust.
Hey: some europeans who use to visit this city certainly get their brains re-filled with coke; and make SO much fun out of it... just like childrens in a theme park.
Well... that´s it, as far as it gets in Buenos Aires, the nation´s capital.
I hope this serves !
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=455027
Thats the thread link that contains another good post from another poster that has visited some of these countries (jigzsawpuzzelpiece)
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Those are first hand accounts. I will try to relay info from reasearch i have done:
One thing that I have deduced, you hear that some places are described as the breadbaskets of a region (eg Kansas is the breadbasket of the United States) then in an analogous way Paraguay is the sack of weed of South America. Alot of the supply in Uruguay, Argentina, Chile, comes from there.
Chile ranks first in cannabis consumption and fourth in cocaine consumption as reported by the UNODCP. Unrefined cocaine paste (pasta) is big there in the ghetto as it is in other parts of south america. There is also a small MDMA scene in Chile. Though the countries stance is authoritarian in general (but a far cry from the Pinochet era), drug court and rehab are replacing prison for habitual users.
Brazil has a thriving drug scene that revolves around coke (in its many forms) and weed primarily. The cocaine comes from Bolivia primarily and some weed comes from domestic sources but the kind bud comes from again, Paraguay. There is a scene for MDMA (the Shulgins even write something about some early enthusiasts maybe in TIKAL?) LSD is also around. Moreover, in the large cities of Sao Paolo and Rio one can find heroin. Possession of small amounts of drugs for personal use has been decriminalized.
Uruguay was toying with the idea of drug decriminalization for personal use but I don't know what ever became of that initiative. Cannabis is the main drug used but there is a growing market for (unspecified) synthetic drugs. Cocaine is also widely abused and cocaine paste is widely smoked and gets alot of attention in the media.
Paraguay is like the Jamaica of south america but its cultivated for sale to other south american countries primarily. The departments of Amambay, San Pedro, Canindeyu and Concepcion are primarily where it is cultivated.
Argentina is interesting in certain respects. MJ is of course the main drug of abuse. Cocaine is plentiful and apparently of decent quality. Unrefined cocaine paste "paco" is realy big in the ghettos. Although haven't read about a heroin scene, MDMA and LSD I have read are available to some extent. What is also interesting is the beginnings of a meth scene. Argentina is a major transhipment center for ephedrine and pseudo. Apparently some of this has found its way into small labs where it is converted to meth. This is interesting because ATSs seem to be non existent or their availability is excedengly rare in other south african countries.
Paco Smoking in Argentina: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJqaILd0iQA
In the Falklands, in imitation of the trend in the UK amphetamine sulfate is the stimulant of choice rather than methamphetamine- you see, these people go to great lengths to maintain their britishness. Using speed is a necessary evil because counting sheep- which most people do in a proffessional capacity- have a way of putting a person to sleep.
Falkland Islanders are a cosmopolitan bunch- in imitation of the south african's smoking of mandrax in a pipe on majat (dagga based smoking mixture), the Falkland Islanders smoke mandies on a bed of sheep's hair and smoke in a glass bottle neck fashioned from a bottle of daft bitters.
I'll try to post more info as I stumble across it but please contribute people out there especially if, unlike, me you've been to these places. Cheers
PS: the stuff about the Falklands was maybe a slight exageration8):D
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Acording the the south african bluelighter hexxx and other things i've read: they are major players in the dope scene in Johannesburg and most are characterized on the whole as being business like and pleasant to deal with.
I think its way cool there is so much written in this thread about the dope scene in Japan- a country thats somewhat eningmatic. I wanted to shift gears and look at a different continent. In post #221 of this thread I asked for info about the scene in South America especially some of the more developed southern countries like Chile, Argentina, and Brazil. I even asked about the Falklands (Las Islas Malvinas) for shits and giggiles. Didn't get a resposne here but got two in a similar thread i started in North ans South America DD. I think I might have a post in this thread covering the scene in Columbia but i know i posted on that countries drug scene in another forum. The South Pacific region has also interested me but couldn't get a whole lot of info except that cannabis and to a much smaller extent meth are the drugs of choice.
An interesting aside is that meth is used in some degree in both the US territory, the American Samoa, and the independent Western Samoa. As a result of historical, political, and cultural factors the Meth found in Western Samoa is made in New Zeland pprimarily and called "P" while only 50 km away, in the American Samoa that has a culture and society very similar to their cousins to the west meth is called "ice" and is produce in the North American mainland and shiped via Hawaii.
This post is from Uberminsch and was his first post ever and was very well written:
HI ! this is my first post on this forum.
I happen to live in Buenos Aires, Argentina (born and raised) & I´m afraid I can answer to some of your inquiries right now.
First of all: the most extended drug here is marihuana, mainly smuggled from Paraguay, but there´s also a large community of personal indoor-cultivators. Social tolerance to this substance´s abuse seemed to growth significantly the last 5 or 6 years.
Now speaking of "real" drugs: YES, cocaine is the stuff of choise when it comes to hardcore abusing. The prices aren´t THAT low in matter of fact... and street dealers often mix it with almost anything you can imagine. However, being this close to Colombia and Bolivia, one old-time and well contacted consumer can get his hands on some high quality material. IMO coke is THE number one upper here, being used by almost everyone wanting to enjoy a wild evening, from young to old... it just became the cornerstone of the party-pack.
I recently had the chance to test some crystal-meth... man, that really hitted the spot for me!! Being almost too afraid to smoke it, I swallowed and snorted some. It´s usage isn´t too widespreaded (since it´s a newcomer here), and contacting a guy that deals it is not so easy at all.
LSD is pretty much an easy thing to get, the quality of it goes from birthday´s confetti to mind bending pieces of despair.
MDMA is often manageable in pure crystal form, but most commonly on pills. The quality of it covers a wide range of purity.
Ketamine is a more sectarian substance of the raver community.
RC´s... well THAT is something very rarely found in this corner of the world. I (being an old-timer in this games) had the chance to get my hands on some 2ci and 2ce from a street dealer friend of mine, who almost pulled my head off in the pricing... but it surely worth the bills. I´m now trying to contact an online vendor worthy of trust.
Hey: some europeans who use to visit this city certainly get their brains re-filled with coke; and make SO much fun out of it... just like childrens in a theme park.
Well... that´s it, as far as it gets in Buenos Aires, the nation´s capital.
I hope this serves !
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=455027
Thats the thread link that contains another good post from another poster that has visited some of these countries (jigzsawpuzzelpiece)
.............................................................................................................................
Those are first hand accounts. I will try to relay info from reasearch i have done:
One thing that I have deduced, you hear that some places are described as the breadbaskets of a region (eg Kansas is the breadbasket of the United States) then in an analogous way Paraguay is the sack of weed of South America. Alot of the supply in Uruguay, Argentina, Chile, comes from there.
Chile ranks first in cannabis consumption and fourth in cocaine consumption as reported by the UNODCP. Unrefined cocaine paste (pasta) is big there in the ghetto as it is in other parts of south america. There is also a small MDMA scene in Chile. Though the countries stance is authoritarian in general (but a far cry from the Pinochet era), drug court and rehab are replacing prison for habitual users.
Brazil has a thriving drug scene that revolves around coke (in its many forms) and weed primarily. The cocaine comes from Bolivia primarily and some weed comes from domestic sources but the kind bud comes from again, Paraguay. There is a scene for MDMA (the Shulgins even write something about some early enthusiasts maybe in TIKAL?) LSD is also around. Moreover, in the large cities of Sao Paolo and Rio one can find heroin. Possession of small amounts of drugs for personal use has been decriminalized.
Uruguay was toying with the idea of drug decriminalization for personal use but I don't know what ever became of that initiative. Cannabis is the main drug used but there is a growing market for (unspecified) synthetic drugs. Cocaine is also widely abused and cocaine paste is widely smoked and gets alot of attention in the media.
Paraguay is like the Jamaica of south america but its cultivated for sale to other south american countries primarily. The departments of Amambay, San Pedro, Canindeyu and Concepcion are primarily where it is cultivated.
Argentina is interesting in certain respects. MJ is of course the main drug of abuse. Cocaine is plentiful and apparently of decent quality. Unrefined cocaine paste "paco" is realy big in the ghettos. Although haven't read about a heroin scene, MDMA and LSD I have read are available to some extent. What is also interesting is the beginnings of a meth scene. Argentina is a major transhipment center for ephedrine and pseudo. Apparently some of this has found its way into small labs where it is converted to meth. This is interesting because ATSs seem to be non existent or their availability is excedengly rare in other south african countries.
Paco Smoking in Argentina: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJqaILd0iQA
In the Falklands, in imitation of the trend in the UK amphetamine sulfate is the stimulant of choice rather than methamphetamine- you see, these people go to great lengths to maintain their britishness. Using speed is a necessary evil because counting sheep- which most people do in a proffessional capacity- have a way of putting a person to sleep.
Falkland Islanders are a cosmopolitan bunch- in imitation of the south african's smoking of mandrax in a pipe on majat (dagga based smoking mixture), the Falkland Islanders smoke mandies on a bed of sheep's hair and smoke in a glass bottle neck fashioned from a bottle of daft bitters.I'll try to post more info as I stumble across it but please contribute people out there especially if, unlike, me you've been to these places. Cheers
PS: the stuff about the Falklands was maybe a slight exageration
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Peru drug culture in review
So I've hit the 2 month mark today in Peru. I've gotten chances to explore and really see a few different parts of the country. And in addition have gotten to know the people quite intimately between having a girlfriend and having met her friends and whatnot.
And I felt like sharing what I've seen about how this country views drugs, in comparison to my home nation the USA.
For me, its always been kinda hard back home. There just are not many people who view all drugs to be acceptable. I have one close friend who's tried almost everything I have (thanks to me) and he has been my only confidant in all my trials.
Here the culture is vastly different, and very open minded. Marijuana and Cocaine are not prosecuted if you are caught with possession under a certain point. Essentially as long as you dont have enough to sell, you are in the clear.
As a result, nobody fears being pulled over with a blunt, or being patted down or anything. People carry cocaine in their pockets all day. Just about any cab driver in town can help you buy it, and its not awkward to ask for something.
As far as psych's go, people are very open minded and explorative. For instance, I've always found psychedelic use to have a bit of a stigma associated to it in the states. But here, people are pretty cool. San Pedro grows in the street, and you can see where somebody hacked a piece off to cook up. Shamans openly offer services, and there are lodges and resorts for Ayahuasca and San Pedro. And as a result other psychs, though not commonly seen, are acceptable to the people.
In other drugs, many pills are available OTC, and while opiate abuse is scarcely seen here, nobody would think less of you for doing it. Benzo usage is available, but again not widely done. When I enlightened my GF about Zolpidem use, she was eager to try it however. And people like to share experiences with things and find it interesting. Nobody looks at you as if you are bizarre or have a problem.
In contrast, you dont hear about cocaine problems as much. Crack is hard to come by and cocaine is cut much cleaner and is much purer, resulting in less complications and, it seems, less need for other things. When coke is in house and is good, what more do they need?
On another plus side, they dont really follow the US's scheduling system. Meaning basically every research chemical is up for grabs. Just got some AMT myself sent down here, and it gets here fast as shit. 5 days, weekend included. Crazy no? I am on the hunt for 2c-b since it would be legal here.
I honestly feel quite at home with the folks here. I dont feel criticized and attacked for wanting to explore a wide variety of drugs. People here view it as a perfectly normal thing, scarcely different from having drinks with friends. And to me, it makes me so much more comfortable not having to hide how I am about my drug use.
Anyway, I know this was a long yarn I be spinnin, so Im gonna stop now, but its awesome. I truly feel for the first time like I can be myself 100% with the peruvian drug culture
So I've hit the 2 month mark today in Peru. I've gotten chances to explore and really see a few different parts of the country. And in addition have gotten to know the people quite intimately between having a girlfriend and having met her friends and whatnot.
And I felt like sharing what I've seen about how this country views drugs, in comparison to my home nation the USA.
For me, its always been kinda hard back home. There just are not many people who view all drugs to be acceptable. I have one close friend who's tried almost everything I have (thanks to me) and he has been my only confidant in all my trials.
Here the culture is vastly different, and very open minded. Marijuana and Cocaine are not prosecuted if you are caught with possession under a certain point. Essentially as long as you dont have enough to sell, you are in the clear.
As a result, nobody fears being pulled over with a blunt, or being patted down or anything. People carry cocaine in their pockets all day. Just about any cab driver in town can help you buy it, and its not awkward to ask for something.
As far as psych's go, people are very open minded and explorative. For instance, I've always found psychedelic use to have a bit of a stigma associated to it in the states. But here, people are pretty cool. San Pedro grows in the street, and you can see where somebody hacked a piece off to cook up. Shamans openly offer services, and there are lodges and resorts for Ayahuasca and San Pedro. And as a result other psychs, though not commonly seen, are acceptable to the people.
In other drugs, many pills are available OTC, and while opiate abuse is scarcely seen here, nobody would think less of you for doing it. Benzo usage is available, but again not widely done. When I enlightened my GF about Zolpidem use, she was eager to try it however. And people like to share experiences with things and find it interesting. Nobody looks at you as if you are bizarre or have a problem.
In contrast, you dont hear about cocaine problems as much. Crack is hard to come by and cocaine is cut much cleaner and is much purer, resulting in less complications and, it seems, less need for other things. When coke is in house and is good, what more do they need?
On another plus side, they dont really follow the US's scheduling system. Meaning basically every research chemical is up for grabs. Just got some AMT myself sent down here, and it gets here fast as shit. 5 days, weekend included. Crazy no? I am on the hunt for 2c-b since it would be legal here.
I honestly feel quite at home with the folks here. I dont feel criticized and attacked for wanting to explore a wide variety of drugs. People here view it as a perfectly normal thing, scarcely different from having drinks with friends. And to me, it makes me so much more comfortable not having to hide how I am about my drug use.
Anyway, I know this was a long yarn I be spinnin, so Im gonna stop now, but its awesome. I truly feel for the first time like I can be myself 100% with the peruvian drug culture
Nice post.
I think you'll find a similar attitude in quite a few countries outside the States. Just look at5 some of the drug policy in Europe - in Spain there is no criminal charges for straight possession. Holland has a soft line on drugs as well, marijuana has been decriminalize, small amounts of other drugs are tolerated. In Mexico you can carry small amounts of LSD, ecstasy, coke and marijuana without worrying about legal repercussions.
In New Zealand all drugs are illegal, but the police don't actively search for or try to bust recreational users. There's no way you could blatantly smoke a joint in public, but there's no stress at all about taking drugs at home or in clubs (ecstasy, speed etc) as long as you're not being overly obvious about it.
I think you'll find a similar attitude in quite a few countries outside the States. Just look at5 some of the drug policy in Europe - in Spain there is no criminal charges for straight possession. Holland has a soft line on drugs as well, marijuana has been decriminalize, small amounts of other drugs are tolerated. In Mexico you can carry small amounts of LSD, ecstasy, coke and marijuana without worrying about legal repercussions.
In New Zealand all drugs are illegal, but the police don't actively search for or try to bust recreational users. There's no way you could blatantly smoke a joint in public, but there's no stress at all about taking drugs at home or in clubs (ecstasy, speed etc) as long as you're not being overly obvious about it.
Yeah thats what I love here thats its like no big deal to bust out MJ or something. I mean they are still discreet and not blatant, dont need to attract attention, but people smoke joints on the street and cut lines in their laps.
It's interesting that countries that have quite laid back regulations with drugs, usually don't have a lot of the associated problems that you'd see in countries with strictly enforced prohibition.
I think drugs, in many cases are a totally victimless crime. That's not to say that I think every drug should be legal or that all drugs cause no problems ... just think a lot could be learned from countries who have chosen some kind of regulation of drugs rather than prohibition.
In the States does possession usually equal jail time? Or would that only be possession with intent to supply?
I think drugs, in many cases are a totally victimless crime. That's not to say that I think every drug should be legal or that all drugs cause no problems ... just think a lot could be learned from countries who have chosen some kind of regulation of drugs rather than prohibition.
In the States does possession usually equal jail time? Or would that only be possession with intent to supply?