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Forced 48 Detox From Kratom Using Agmatine and NAC

agoraphobe

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This is useful information in my opinion. It's a self reporting of how Agmatine and NAC prevented me from taking Kratom for 48 hours from yesterday, so fresh in my mind.

I took 600mg NAC and 1g Agmatine at 5:30AM Wednesday morning. After an hour the really tough train ride began because NAC and Agmatine will 100% prevent you from receiving dopamine from drugs. Kratom, caffeine, nicotine, gabapentin even THC - totally blunted, nothing, no enjoyment. Like you suddenly can't feel or enjoy the thing you enjoy most.

This is the important part of the trip experience. You can find on various threads why pharmacologically/chemically Agmatine and NAC are good for brains engaging in substance use.

NAC = Glutamate Modulation: NAC interacts with the cystine-glutamate antiporter system. By promoting the exchange of cystine for glutamate, it helps balance glutamate—the brain's primary excitatory neurotransmitter—preventing excitotoxicity and calming compulsive reward circuitry

Agmatine does a bunch of other things but I'm not chemically sure why it blocks reward circuits from pleasure when using drugs. Another note that has to do with how long this madness lasted, Agmatine has a blood half life and a CNS tissue half life. Tldr - The tissue half life is substantially longer.

I was not able to derive nicotine or caffeine mental rewards until right around 5:30 AM the following morning. And it was still substantially blunting the effects at the point, just noticeably less. It's now 3:48 PM Thursday and while I feel most substances back. THC, caffeine and nicotine are very mildly still muted.

Why does this detox work? Yes both NAC and Agmatine will make you feel calmer more stable mood etc during wds, but the big tool of this combo is that it forces you to abstain from the substances of your choice because THEY SIMPLY WILL NOT WORK, no high, no euphoria, no fun. So ya it's a forced detox. It worked for me. I'm hoping I can take Kratom around 7-8pm and have a clean experience.

Cheers
 
I'm hoping I can take Kratom around 7-8pm and have a clean experience.
Just an update. Even at 8pm Thursday 3.6g of Kratom with a microdose enrichment of 7oh was 40-50% blunted. The physical high came through a bit stronger, my anxiety was less, felt very tired. But no significant mood boost or euphoria.

NAC/Agmatine stick around forever. For good and bad.
 
Just an update. Even at 8pm Thursday 3.6g of Kratom with a microdose enrichment of 7oh was 40-50% blunted. The physical high came through a bit stronger, my anxiety was less, felt very tired. But no significant mood boost or euphoria.

NAC/Agmatine stick around forever. For good and bad.
I usually take 28 mg of 7oh daily and yesterday I took one tablet which is 14mg through out the day and woke about 3am and couldn't get back to sleep because of just restless anxiety so gave in and took a half a tab which should be 7mg. I wasn't really sick but had heavy feet so was dragging myself most of the day but no physical pain. I'm slowly messing with tapering and kinda preparing myself for when I cold turk.
 
I usually take 28 mg of 7oh daily and yesterday I took one tablet which is 14mg through out the day and woke about 3am and couldn't get back to sleep because of just restless anxiety so gave in and took a half a tab which should be 7mg. I wasn't really sick but had heavy feet so was dragging myself most of the day but no physical pain. I'm slowly messing with tapering and kinda preparing myself for when I cold turk.
21mg is a solid jump from 28mg though. Good work. Ya man try what I mentioned. Just remember, no free lunch, it blunts everything.

I'm not fully committed to quitting. Just getting back to twice a week. I wish I could get back to twice a week gabapentin but that roads gonna be tough. I rely on the gabapentin for day after kratom and am just on it all day everyday now
 
I don't know what this means, I guess it means don't stay off of it for a while and think I can just use a little or whatever and it screws up my progress and I'll get sick all over again.
I'm sorry. What I meant to say is that if you use anything else to cope, like nicotine for example, the nac/agmatine will blunt the stress relieving properties of a pull.
 
I honestly don't know this lingo ur using but smoking actually relieves wds for me but I do notice it's harsher than usual it's almost like smoking for the first time, anybody get that? Also alcohol never helps out with wds which I learned back in my heroin days, in fact it makes it worse for me.
 
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