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Flower Essences for Difficult Trips / Negative Sates of Being

While I agree about the homeopathic nonsense, there is definitely something to aromatherapy and flower essences... they definitely have effects on the nervous system.

O certainly, many are pharmacologically active.

Those Rescue remedy pills really help me if i am having an incredibly depressed day more so than usual. My mom got a bottle of these tiny little pearls and you are susposed to dissolve them underneath your tongue, Tasted very sweet, more so than any placebo...

i dunno, i'd have to say that for me, there was indeed some sort of conciousness altering aspect do them. But, like not for everyone.
I think really it just depends on what your mental condition is.

Unless it have pharacologically active substances in it then it was placebo.

It's amazing how powerful the mind is and people don't even realize it.
 
^ For someone who is so vocal about the superiority of plant entheogens (and i agree with you there), i'm surprised that you are so quick to fall back on apparently reductionist, purely pharmacological modes of explanation...

i mean, isn't it the subtle energy and intelligence - which does not particularly seem to be a property of its molecular structure - that gives plants their extra special something? or would you reduce those qualities entirely to other trace compounds?

i think with such issues, 'placebo' is an easy label to slap on any phenomena that is not easily understood thru the current scientific paradigm. it's very effective at shutting down further enquiry...

so teotz, how can you say that the extra-specialness you feel with the plants is not placebo too, if all it comes down to is pharmacologically active molecules? as you note, the power of the mind is incredible, yet people constantly undermine or overlook it...

i don't have the answers... simply raising some questions :)

(and i'm not saying that these more 'subtle' forms of energy are inherently outside the scope of science - just outside its current paradigm....)
 
I believe that many many herbal and homeopathic remedies work. There's a plant for nearly everything. But of course theres a pill too. I guess someone had to say plants don't work so they could make money.
 
I believe that many many herbal
Yes, some plants have desired medical effects on the body and brain; does anyone deny that?

and homeopathic remedies work.
No, homeopathy does not, and as far as I can see cannot, have any effect (beyond placebo effect, obviously, and additionally - in the case of full homeopathic consultations - the obvious benefits of having someone take time over your case and have one to one contact with you before recommending uncontroversially sensible lifestyle changes etc), as it involves diluting substances so much that there is *none* of the active substance in the final preparation.

If you really feel you need the help of a convincingly delivered lie to make you feel better, maybe try a religion? It's less socially acceptable to point out that religions are obvious bullshit, so your placebo effect would be more robustly protected from that cartoonesque 'shit, the cliff ended a few metres ago' moment.

ETA: Incidentally, I imagine psychedelics might amplify placebo effects, or at least modulate them in some way. Would be interesting to test that. Perhaps more interestingly, I wonder whether psychedelics can put one in the sort of state of mind where you don't need to lie to yourself (or have professionals lie to you) in order to achieve the psychosomatic or psychopsychic (psychological placebo effects, as well as bodily ones) effects your mind and body are capable of. At any rate, I think it's more likely psychedelics will help you deal with feeling down after realizing homeopathy is absolute poppycock than that homeopathic sugar pills will sort out your difficult trip (or your difficult life).
 
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All that stuff about plant consciousness, vibrating in higher dimensions, its all just an excuse to sell water at an extortionate price and delude some poor bastards into parting with their hard earned cash for an inert 'remedy'

For an example of the lack of difference, take some purified DMT that came from a plant, and then take some synthetic DMT, have double blind trials done with some friends to help, and then come and tell me it makes a difference.

Perhaps with certain alkaloidal plants, or those bearing very active principles, undiluted bach 'remedies' might have a potential effect, but many likely not, as far as homeopathy, its just a giant back of lies, a load of phoney ripoff old horse shite, don't you think if like cured like, when diluted to the point of absolutely none of the original compound remains, then they would be making up a mixture of benzene, trichlorodibenzo-p-dioxin, methylene chloride with a bit of dimethyl sulfate and chloromethyl methyl ether for flavour, adding a single drop into a bathtub, taking a single drop of that bath water, flushing that down the loo, then taking a drop of water from the nearest sea that the effluent eventually drains into, then giving you a few microliters of that in a coke bottle full of water, and making massive profits from desperate people by successfully curing terminal cancer patients.
 
Eh. So it's a lie. Sorry. I never knew much about the stuff anyways so I'm not really defensive of it. I just think that for most issues with the body there are cures or at least medicines that nature can offer. I'm not really in favor of taking a magic pill they will solve all
my problems (and create more) just because I'm to lazy to prepare an herb.
 
i mean, isn't it the subtle energy and intelligence - which does not particularly seem to be a property of its molecular structure - that gives plants their extra special something? or would you reduce those qualities entirely to other trace compounds?

Basically that the trace compounds and modes and mean of ingestion make it safer.

If I argued that it was the "spirit of the plant" that makes plants better than synthetics y'all would think I was more stupid than you already do.
 
The Australian Bush flower essences are very good!

http://www.ausflowers.com.au

and also the flower essence services are very comprehensive.

http://www.fesflowers.com

You can get these from many kind of essential oil/new agey stores and have your own blends made up, choose from the book and get what suits you.

If you get a good blend, the effect is not disimilar from 60mcgs of very clean acid for the first 8 hours or so after you take it.


Julian.
 
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