Flephedrone vs. Methylone

[DwayneHoover]

Compare and Contrast cathinones. Not intending on doing either, just curious as to how folks reactions compare.

Euphoria?

Length of activity / activity-phases?

Effects on libido / sexual performance (i.e. erections)?

Impact on cardioascular system?

Comedown / "crash" characteristics?

 

[theotherside]

Flephedrone is like a weak coke like high, while pleasant, not worth the price usually. Smooth comedown as you don't get that "up" in the first place.

Methylone(bk-mdma) has a bombastic high that is too short lived.....the crash is one of the worst in the business.

Flephedrone made sex easier and gave me a little more lasting power while on methylone you are floored and then coming down so never had sex on it.

 

[clara]

I sampled a bit of flep, but not enough to go into detail about it. Methylone one of my personal favorites I use by IV, its a wonderful warm rush it dosent increase my heartrate too much, and lasts about hour (IV) for me. There is no way to sugarcoat the comedown it sucks horribly, no really. Another dose usually does the trick lifts me back up, but only delays the crash.

 

[interleukin]

Euphoria - Flephedrone has moderate clear headed euphoria. Plenty of motivation to get work done. Methylone has extreme but short lived euphoria. No motivation to do work on it even at low doses.
Length of activity - Flephedrone lasts slightly longer. Single dose 1-3hrs euphoria + 4 more of residual stimulation.
Sexual performance - Severe dysfunction on both. Impossible to get an erection without a PDE5 inhibitor and then very hard to orgasm. Mixing these with viagra makes my chest hurt enough that it is almost impossible to have sex.
Cardiovascular - For me, flepehdrone seems to increase heart rate and BP more than methylone although both stims are pretty bad in this regard.
Comedown - At average doses flephedrone is mild, methylone is very rough
I found it interesting that my pupils did not dilate on flephedrone unlike on mephedrone. Also, no desire to redose on flephedrone opposed to methylone which is one of the few drugs I have uncontrobaly binged on. I no longer have any desire to use either but if I had to I would chose flephedrone for the cognitive and motivation enhancement.

 

[MagickalKat777]

I don't get how people think M1 comedown is so rough... Its stimmy as hell, yeah, but a benzo or some alcohol will put you out...

 

[phillyx]

I don't get how people think M1 comedown is so rough... Its stimmy as hell, yeah, but a benzo or some alcohol will put you out...

What I hate about the M1 comedown is it's like walking off a cliff. You're amazingly loved up for a couple of hours and then suddlenly - bang - with no warning it turns into the most severe hideous shame and self-loathing. And then 30 mins later the fever and dizziness starts and you realise how fast your heart is beating. And you're stuck like that for 3-4 hours. Alcohol does take the edge off of it, it's true, but I still can't sleep for 12 hours after without a benzo.

 

[MagickalKat777]

I guess it must be different for me because I take benzos on a daily basis - I've never had an M1 comedown that was that terrible unless I compulsively redosed, in which case I got what I deserved.

 

[theotherside]

what i hate about the m1 comedown is it's like walking off a cliff. You're amazingly loved up for a couple of hours and then suddlenly - bang - with no warning it turns into the most severe hideous shame and self-loathing. And then 30 mins later the fever and dizziness starts and you realise how fast your heart is beating. And you're stuck like that for 3-4 hours. Alcohol does take the edge off of it, it's true, but i still can't sleep for 12 hours after without a benzo.

qft!!!!!!!!

 

[DwayneHoover]

Flephedrone is like a weak coke like high, while pleasant, not worth the price usually. Smooth comedown as you don't get that "up" in the first place.

Methylone(bk-mdma) has a bombastic high that is too short lived.....the crash is one of the worst in the business.

Flephedrone made sex easier and gave me a little more lasting power while on methylone you are floored and then coming down so never had sex on it.

Euphoria - Flephedrone has moderate clear headed euphoria. Plenty of motivation to get work done. Methylone has extreme but short lived euphoria. No motivation to do work on it even at low doses.
Length of activity - Flephedrone lasts slightly longer. Single dose 1-3hrs euphoria + 4 more of residual stimulation.
Sexual performance - Severe dysfunction on both. Impossible to get an erection without a PDE5 inhibitor and then very hard to orgasm. Mixing these with viagra makes my chest hurt enough that it is almost impossible to have sex.
Cardiovascular - For me, flepehdrone seems to increase heart rate and BP more than methylone although both stims are pretty bad in this regard.
Comedown - At average doses flephedrone is mild, methylone is very rough
I found it interesting that my pupils did not dilate on flephedrone unlike on mephedrone. Also, no desire to redose on flephedrone opposed to methylone which is one of the few drugs I have uncontrobaly binged on. I no longer have any desire to use either but if I had to I would chose flephedrone for the cognitive and motivation enhancement.

Very interesting perspectives, thanks alot. Never tried the F. M1 I have loved for some time, and while for sex there is a semi-soft period during euphoria peak, it's still fun, and enhances sensation... taking a Cialis and letting it kick in well before the M1 for me never caused any chest pain (I don't understand the mechanism by which that would happen... it ought only affect the genital area) and once the peak of the M1 dies down a bit, hardness rules and sex becomes god-like, but I do know for some this is not the case. Come down on non-excessive, non-redosing M1 was never that bad for me (175-190mg)... yea, there's a residual stimulation, but I actually enjoy it... a few times there has been a brief period (20-30mins?) of elevated heart rate but nothing dangerous I think and yes alcohol and calming deep breathing to be sure to oxygenate blood well seem to help.

Also very helpful and wise: Rhodiola (increases oxygen capacity of blood and protects heart muscle), Co-Q10 & Alpha-Lipoic acid (also improve energy handling as well as protective of heart and nervous system)... all 3 HIGHLY HIGHLY recommended for anyone using cathinones as well as any other stim, along with other antioxidants [mixed carotenoids, mixed E esters, "Ester-C"] plus b-50 or b-100 complex VERY protective, plus Chinese/Korean Ginseng or a mixed Ginseng complex as an adaptogen... Ashwaghanda also adaptogen, also improves/stimulates sexual functioning whilst helping tone down excess stimulation... look these things up and take them if you are a fan of stims in ANY way, you will be doing yourself a huge favor.)