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Jawsh

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Hello, I would just like to start off by saying thank you all for welcoming myself to the forum.

I have read all the stickies pretty much 100% and have learned much from them. I just have a few other questions that I hope some of you may be able to answer. I currently have and will be taking one "White Transformer" ecstasy pill from central California (where I am currently living), shown here:
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I will be ingesting this pill either tomorrow or the next day. I just have a few questions as this is my first time with this type of drug:

1. I've done psilocybin twice (half an eighth each time), cocaine once, and smoke marijuana on a daily basis. In terms of intensity, how intense would you describe ecstasy to be as compared to the other 3 drugs I've done?

2. What is the best way, in terms of consumption, to maximize the effects of the pill? Should I chew it up, or just bite it in half, etc. ?

3. I will be ingesting said pill alone in my living room with my four dogs chilling around me, during the afternoon around 2pm. Also, I will be playing some loud music on some speakers we have in our home. Is this an ideal environment, if so, would you suggest I do this during my time of "tripping"? If so, what else would you suggest I do?

4. How long do you think my "trip" will last, or do you even think one pill will even do anything? FYI, I'm 5'8, approximately 175lbs.

5. Will smoking weed on the pill have any negative or positive effects?

6. During the comedown of the pill, what will I experience? Also, what should I do during this time? Would smoking weed help?

Thank you in advance for your time :)
 
DO NOT TAKE THAT PILL WITHOUT TESTING.


The transformer pills are NOTORIOUS piperazines. Some of the WORST pills out there. DO NOT CONSUME. You need to get a testing kit, badly... if those pills are what I think, they can fuck you up in a BAD way.

I didn't really see much on testing, can you extrapolate please? Also, my friend and his cousin both said that they took one and it hit them just fine. What exactly do piperazines do?
 
I've watched people take pills I knew were fake as fuck... they all said they had a "good time", yet clearly they were experiencing nothing that could be called ecstasy.


"Thizz" heads will pop anything that gets them high.. hell, I know people who would go looking for meth bombs intentionally. Testing in that kind of market is a necessary thing, you can't trust anyone in this game. There are some seriously NASTY pills these days... "ecstasy" is avoided by most people in the US because it is so commonly fake people won't even waste the money to get them tested anymore


and info on piperazines, although I'm not sure if these contain them, I'd place a bet on it. I've seen so many fake Transformer pills and so little good ones that I cringe every time I hear about someone taking them...

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/piperazines/piperazines.shtml
 
folley is right...don't take that unless you test it with a kit for identifying MDMA....but all is not lost...if this was the last year I would tell you to flush that puppy. Don't even waste you reagents on it. the transformer cutouts were all bunk...no they were worse than bunk. they were all a crap that made most people sick. but I have seen some transformer presses coming from Europe that are high dose MDMA.

But even though there is small chance your pill could be one of those...only a dummy would eat that thing without testing it.


You can get test kits here:


http://eztest.com/

http://www.dancesafe.org/

http://bunkpolice.org/
 
^ I've seen them too, but those are in Europe. He is in Cali... it's not that hard for pills to travel, but given the nature of the scene here in the US and the fact that these are a different looking press and also aren't colored like the ones in the EU, I would exercise an extreme amount of caution with those pills.
 
I suppose I'll reconsider what I'll be doing then.

Suppose I did get a better and more legitimate pill, would you guys mind assisting myself on the rest of my questions in the OP? I'd greatly appreciate it.
 
1 - depends on your dose just like anything else. set and setting will also be at play, so too will roa. at the right dose mdma can be quite intense but i have always found it to be intense in an all-over-body-orgasm, which iv always found to be a GOOD thing. remember the intensity of mdma comes over you in waves, if its getting too intense drink some water, get some fresh air, and calm down for for few minutes until it calms and passes.
2 - just eat the pill. chewing may bring it on quicker more intense, it may also be negligible depending on if you have any contents to your stomach. personally i would always snort a dose to get warned up and on point quick and at the same time drop a dose or two so they kind of overlap.
3 - totally subjective chose your own destiny. going through old photos will probably be fun.
4 - you will be under the influence from 4-6hrs given that you actually get mdma
5 - smoking ganja will be fine so long as you are totally comfortable with the herb. if you have a current ganja tolerance you should be fine, if you have no ganja tolerance, dont smoke much, or are prone to negative thoughts whilst stoned, paranoia etc then it may be intensified by the MDMA. it is however safe to combine the two drugs should you be able to keep your thoughts together.
6 - it should be a gentle, gradual trailing off. you should be able to sleep well after.

please read these two threads
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/657228-Six-Simple-Rules-To-MDMA
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/301696-The-DIRECTORY-GOT-A-QUESTION-LOOK-HERE-FIRST

all the best :)
 
Don't take that pill, transformers are notoriously impure. According to Ecstasydata.org that pill can have some very dangerous impurities.


1. Easily as intense as your mushroom trips, but intense in a happier, euphoric, and lovey way.

2. Shove it up your ass. You asked, you got it. But swallowing it is almost as good.

3. I suggest you take it at home. A strong dose can floor you and you'd do some strange, embarresing things you didn't think you would ever do.

4. 3-4 hours, come-up/come-down not included.

5. I personally don't like to, but a lot of people love it.

6. You may feel a strange urge to cry about nothing, and if you take a heavy dose you'll feel a very powerful stinging randomly from the center of your brain. Smoking weed helps, a LOT. You should just try to relax and try to do something that you enjoy. I usually get this apathy for everything except breathing, and I sit there watching pointless youtube videos until I feel normal.
 
Green fleur de lis pills I had were straight piperazines, maybe mixed with some extremely low grade amphetamine.
I had dilated pupils for over 12 hours, and didn't really get high, I just puked for hours and felt like I was going to die, and this was off of one.
If those transformers are much the same, id also advise you to get a testing kit.
If that isn't feasible in the time period in which you want to try them then one won't kill you, but it might be unpleasant
 
1. How intense would you describe ecstasy to be as compared to the other 3 drugs I've done?

Similar intensity to psilocybin as others have said. Altered perception, very happy and warm feeling, social, there can be mild psychedelic effects depending on the dose, quality, and how you react to it.


2. What is the best way, in terms of consumption, to maximize the effects of the pill? Should I chew it up, or just bite it in half, etc. ?

Crushing it up (preferably if it's MDMA powder rather than pills, since the press pills with pictures on them contain artificial colors and binders, however in the grand scheme of things those are likely not more dangerous than whatever additives people put in MDMA powder) as fine as you can get it makes it hit quite fast and hard, within minutes, but the high doesn't last as long and it is MUCH more painful than snorting cocaine! I do cocaine occasionally without problem but I can't tolerate snorting MDMA, though my boyfriend has no problem with it. There are many ways to take it but honestly, it comes in the easiest form to take it, a pill, so what's the rush to come up so fast! I drop a pill and it takes between half an hour and 90 minutes to start feeling it, then you're normally really high within a few minutes! Oral also has the added effect of going from your intestines through your liver, rather than straight into your bloodstream, so your body can filter it a little bit. This does not make you less high. Booty bumping is apparently very effective (shoving a straight pill up your ass, which I personally feel is not the safest as your anal wall can be delicate and easily damaged by chemicals or scraping, and the other method that involves dissolving a pill in a very small amount of warm water and then inserting it into the relaxed rectum using a turkey baster-type thing)...never tried it, and there's no filtering like with snorting it, but I have heard it's very intense. For the first time I honestly think dropping a pill orally is the easiest way that is less likely to be totally overwhelming, but it's up to you!

3. I will be ingesting said pill alone in my living room with my four dogs chilling around me, during the afternoon around 2pm. Also, I will be playing some loud music on some speakers we have in our home. Is this an ideal environment, if so, would you suggest I do this during my time of "tripping"? If so, what else would you suggest I do?

I have a hard time rolling by myself, I need people around me to talk to and share my happiness with! If there's no one, beware that a LOT of people have called their family members/friends/grocers/every person in their cell phone to tell them they love them! If you can't roll with anyone trustworthy or who is comfortable with drugs like this, your environment sounds lovely. If I was by myself I would have some tactile things around to play with (rubbery soft toys from the dollar store, soft cloths or stuffed animals or pillows, etc), maybe take a nice shower or bath (but don't make it too hot- your brain's ability to control body temperature with precision is often decreased as a result of MDMA, so don't be paranoid but do make sure you don't overheat!), listen to good music, walk or lay in nature if available, definitely lay out some blankets and pillows to roll around on if you want to! There are lots of threads on here as well that talk about fun things to do on e :) I roll almost exclusively at home with friends- some people love the rave scene and dancing all night, but my ideal setting is inside in a comfy place where I can chill, feel really happy and have easy access to bathroom facilities/water/comfort.


4. How long do you think my "trip" will last, or do you even think one pill will even do anything? FYI, I'm 5'8, approximately 175lbs.

Normally a typical dose of 100-150mg (most quality pills have about 100mg in each...if I were you I'd start with one, give it an hour or 90 minutes and then take a half pill if you don't come up) lasts 3-4 hours. After that, it's common to re-dose with half a pill or a full pill, which should last another couple of hours. The comedown can last 1-3 hours and is pretty gradual. I wouldn't recommend extra dosing after 1 re-dose as your body can only release and hold onto so much serotonin before you run out, after that it gets rough on your body and you're not likely to feel nearly as good.


5. Will smoking weed on the pill have any negative or positive effects?

Not that I know of! Sometimes a small amount of marijuana can enhance the effects, but one time I took a couple of huge bong hoots and ended up with uncontrollable short-term memory issues for the duration of the high that went something like this- "Hey, Sara, last week I was walking to Safeway and I saw.............wait, what were we talking about? Oh well. Wait. Where are we right now?" for several hours. I can't be sure it wasn't the pills but I've never had that experience again in 4 years of regular rolling!

6. During the comedown of the pill, what will I experience? Also, what should I do during this time? Would smoking weed help?

Everyone's different, for sure. Some people come down hard and feel dark and depressed, but most people I know just start to feel slowly less amazing over a couple of hours until they feel normal but tired. I watch TV shows I like for an hour before bed after coming down so I just relax and get sleepy, then I go to bed and can normally sleep without many problems. If you're staying up after all of this, you might feel a little grumpy or easily annoyed. Some people smoke weed or have a drink or two (NOT a bunch of drinks, one or two!) to ease the comedown and relax even more, which is likely fine.
*Some people also experience mild to moderate depression for a day or two afterwards due to the depleted serotonin.
*Some people get afterglow (a warm, happy feeling the entire day after rolling, so lovely!).
*Some people can be a little emotionally labile (I tear up easily at things like ads supporting adoption or puppies cuddling or a beautiful song haha, it's very funny),
*and in some cases (fairly rare from what I've seen) people have had bad reactions that result in severe depression for a couple of days afterward. If this does happen to you, be VERY aware that this is due to your serotonin, and it IS temporary. Come talk to us if you go through this, there are lots of people here who can support you through it :)
 
Green fleur de lis pills I had were straight piperazines, maybe mixed with some extremely low grade amphetamine.
I had dilated pupils for over 12 hours, and didn't really get high, I just puked for hours and felt like I was going to die, and this was off of one.
If those transformers are much the same, id also advise you to get a testing kit.
If that isn't feasible in the time period in which you want to try them then one won't kill you, but it might be unpleasant

I've experienced transformers and pills that were not round but rather in the shape of, say, an alien head or Bart Simpson head, and they were miserable as well. Not likely to kill you, but can result in a very unpleasant night! Everyone kind of sick, antisocial, feeling weird and "just short of pleasant" for hours and hours, unable to sleep. Some people react well to them and have a great time, but I like everyone here would advise against them if possible. TOTALLY get test kits online, they're fairly inexpensive and so so worth it. Test for piperazines (such as BZP and MCPP) and PMA/PMMA (the additive that has been going around for a couple of years and killed a dozen people last year). Both can seriously increase your heart rate and fuck up your body temperature, PMA to the point of seizures, so UGH stay away from that stuff as much as you can!

I did pills for years without a test kit and now I just want to go back and slap my old self for putting myself at risk like that. I did use pillreports.com which was helpful back then, if you can't get a kit in time. People post pills with descriptions of quality- look for your pill but try to get a report as recent and close to your state/province as you can as batches change regularly :)
 
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