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This is currently a work in progress. Constructive feedback needed. My reason for making this is because this information is readily available on bluelight but spread out over 20 pages of threads. I'm shooting for a guide to prevent silly youngsters from getting in over their head, not educate a drug connoisseur.
Disclaimer:
This is in no way a comprehensive list and no one should take what I say as fact because I am not a doctor. Do not drive impaired. Ever.
First of all if you're reading this you've probably thinking about giving hallucinogenic drugs a try. This is a very general list of very basic information; it is not drug specific. These drugs can be very useful and really just unexplainable given the right mindset and setting. These drugs are powerful. These drugs are NOT for everyone. Please be careful and use your best judgment and do more research than this page before attempting.
Things not covered:
--The product - I'm going to assume what you're getting is real and quality. If it's fake that sucks.
--Pre existing mental health problems - If you have any mental health issues or a family history of them, please reconsider as these drugs could make this worse.
Considering your psychedelic (the holy bible of erowid, flame away you know tremble at its feet)
1. If you are truly new to drugs and know nothing about psychedelics, please visit erowid, as it is really just an amazing resource no matter how dated it gets.
--Acid - http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd.shtml
--Mushrooms - http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms.shtml
2. Acid vs. Mushrooms bluelight debate - http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/archive/index.php/t-58623.html
3. Before trying any hallucinogens, the psychedelic crisis guide is a must read for you and everyone you will be with. This thing is a lifesaver just scan over it. http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/faqs/psychedelic_crisis_faq.shtml
4. Smoked DMT has a special section at the bottom because it's pretty different than traditional psychedelics. This does not apply to the harmaline (sp?) mixture or ayacusa that can be consumed orally.
Things to Consider Before Dosing:
1. Clear your day and know your drugs duration
Please don't think you can trip acid while your parents go out to dinner. You also can't go to work or school while intoxicated. Please take into account how long each substance lasts. For mushrooms/acid I'd honestly say to put aside a whole day, same for 2c's although durations vary. DMT, the lone exception, really doesn't last too long but you'll be weird for several hours.
2. Look up all medications you are taking before you take anything!
This is important as psychedelics interact with a lot of anti depressants. I'm not going to list them because I fear I'd leave one out so really just look up every single medication you take before hand. It's pretty easy and should be done. These threads will get you started:
--Antidepressant and Recreational Drug FAQ - http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=108959
--Big and Dandy Medication/Supplement Interaction Thread - http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=362749
3. Location. Location. Location.
This is so important I will mention it a lot. The old set and setting adage could not be truer. I personally love the outdoors, but at times I would really love a couch to lie on during a bad experience as well. For the first time play it safe and have on central location like a house that will not be disturbed by anyone that's not supposed to be there. This is just for the first time to get a good gauge on your individual reaction. In my opinion, for ones first trip it's better to be in a house or backyard than in public or in the woods.
4. General environment, people and trip sitters
Pick some people who are either experienced, or if not, are good friends and always looking out for your best interests. You will most likely be pretty intoxicated and you don't want just anybody around. Having one sober friend present is amazingly reassuring in case of a difficult experience. Cannot recommend having a sober friend enough but having other trippers to relate to is great too, a mixture of both is optimal. The place you are tripping at makes a big difference too. If it's the house that you sometimes feel anxious at, odds are it would be bad to trip there.
5. Tripping activities
Getting bored during a trip can be a bad thing especially if it happens at the 2-hour mark. Being cooped up in a house doesn't help anything either. This should tie back in heavily to the location mentioned above. Being able to have access to both inside and outdoors is great for beginners so they can change scenery. Music is key, this does not even need to be said. Kids games like tag, hide and seek, or maybe even bored games could all be fun. Dancing obviously and really strange conversation is unavoidable. Movies are dense and hard to understand, best avoid them. Stays away from cooking too, just my one personal experience on that one...no homes were burned to clarify. Once you know how things affect you, then you can branch off and do other things like concerts or parties.
6. Avoid a party
This ties into location again but a party is not the place for your first trip. I feel pretty strongly about this despite the fact that some people would still have a great time. The fact is your first time you don't know what to expect so just play it safe and stay in. Dealing with a lot of people is easy for some and impossible for others while tripping even after lots of experience. Just avoid it at first there will be plenty more parties to come.
7. Plans for the day after
A hard day of work after a long night of tripping can be bad. For your first trip, plan to have a very easy day afterward. There is nothing better than having a "bad trip" and waking up to a day of being thankful to be sane and having nothing to do. That really is the reward of a bad trip and believe me, it's a good reward. It very well could be the best day of your life.
8. Pre Loading/Post Loading
Some swear by it, some say it doesn't matter. This is a complicated issue and to make up your mind you should search around bluelight. In my personal opinion having a healthy diet and a non-eventful recuperation day and sleeping in after is all that's needed.
9. Do not drive
Don't even put this in your schedule because you can't do it. It's so dangerous and irresponsible just don't.
10. These drugs mess with some people’s stomach
You have been warned. Not everyone is afflicted, as with all things drug related, it varies from person to person. Some say it's anxiety related and for me smoking a ton of weed makes me more anxious if I'm tripping hard. In my own experience, mushrooms seem to mess with people more than acid. You also probably wont feel like eating too much even if you don't feel sick. If you are a person that has some kind of vomit phobia now you know. These threads will at least get you started researching:
--Acid related nausea - http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/archive/i.../t-171351.html
--Mushroom related nausea - http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=186254
11. Have a plan in case the trip does become difficult
If life is in danger, which is rare for psychedelic drugs but possible, then go to the hospital immediately. Besides life threatening situations, sober friend is ideal here to talk you down. If you are outside an have a house then go inside, if you're inside then go out. A change of scenery helps a lot of the time, but if you're outside don't leave the yard and get lost. Buddy system is helpful too as goofy as it sounds. Laying down, drinking water, and calm music all go such a long way; even though while sober you'd think it wouldn't matter it will affect your mood. Before you take any more drugs to fix a bad trip, try everything else first unless the person needs to go to the hospital. Some people like to have something like Xanax on hand for a panic attack. I am normally all for the less drugs are better, but as a panic attack sufferer this is not a bad idea. Before you take anything like a benzodiazepine or tranquilizers please do some research. These threads could be helpful for bad trip advice:
--Decent thread - http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/archive/index.php/t-11897.html
*niacinamide should be avoided although someone on this thread say's to take it. This will just make you itchy which I can't see helping.
--Psychedelic Crisis Faqs (already posted but worth it) - http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/faqs/psychedelic_crisis_faq.shtml
Time/Day of Dropping:
1. Please start with a low dose.
You can always take more, but you can never take less. With acid just take one hit to start out with. Mushrooms maybe 1 gram or a quarter of a 1/8th(mushrooms ime really all depend on quality or dosing). DMT dosing is really more complicated. Taking more does not make you cooler, for your first trip just stay with the smallest dose all the way through to gauge your reaction, which brings me to number 2...
2. Please god do not re-dose
It is not uncommon for a first time tripper to either be having a blast or not feeling it and feel the need to take more. Just do not do this the first time. You might think you're not feeling it, and you might be 3 minutes away from being really fucked up without your extra hit. It's your first trip, the smallest dose should produce effects just wait it out.
3. Mental set
If you're depressed, in a bad mood, or not feeling well then do not trip. Just wait until your feeling better. Luckily, if you have acid, it keeps a while in the right conditions so don't fret. If you have any apprehension at all about tripping, just don't you're probably not ready.
4. Smoking weed
This deserves it's own section just due to how common it probably is. Smoking weed will make you more intoxicated in a "foggy" way. For the first time its best avoided or in extreme moderation near the come down. If you are going to smoke anyway it's probably not going to kill you but beware, it can make you more confused and fogs an amazing experience. I personally only like smoking on the come down but to each there own.
While Tripping
It's impossible for me to give you advice here but if you prepared well, things should go really well. Do whatever you feel like doing that's not dangerous. If you start having a bad time, start talking to a friend about it soon. The sooner you do this, the less "rooted" the bad feeling gets. Plus on psychs, you basically have a horrible case of ADD. So if you start discussing why you were anxious, you'll probably forget why before the conversations over.
Coming Down
Congratulations, you have tripped for your first time. IMHO this is when I'd smoke weed if I were you. At like the 6 hour mark on Mushrooms or the 12 hour mark on LSD, you'll realize you're still feeling it but not that much. Durations are not exact, so although LSD lasts 12 hours that does not mean you can just hop in bed and crash right then. Most still have trouble sleeping for a bit after so be prepared and don't let this scare you. Pack a bowl or gather round the TV with friends, its almost like that cliché after sex cigarette; you have to do something.
Some people use other drugs to help with the insomnia afterward ranging anywhere from benzos to opiates and everything in between. This is up to you but I don't think it's a good idea, especially for a first trip. If you feel you must take something, please be smart and look it up first to make sure there are no bad interactions. Lets be smart people.
The special DMT section
DMT, at least when it is smoked, is a bit of an oddball hallucinogen. The duration is somewhere around 10 – 15 minutes, and the onset is instantaneous. For someone tripping for their first time ever, I would personally think most would find it overwhelming. This assumption backfired in my face, as drug assumptions always do, when three people I know who had never tripped before smoked DMT and loved it.
DMT is a physical challenge because you really need to consume your pre measured dose in about 30-60 seconds because the body builds rapid tolerance. This is important because “breaking through” is impossible if you smoke it too slow, although you will still trip some no matter what. Smoke it laying down or sitting with someone to grab your bowl so you don't bust your glass. Before you try again you must wait 1 hour to loose that tolerance. If you don't wait, it won't be as good. Just trying to save you some time and money.
DMT dosing really all depends on the product itself so I’m afraid to list a mg amount. I can pass along a little advice and caution that choose to use DMT that I’ve been able to gather with my limited experience. For one, DMT smoke is akin to burning gorilla ass. It really does smell like burning plastic sometimes. To add to this lovely odor, it feels a lot like red-hot nails on the throat. Have a drink handy before you fall back into oblivion. This technique comes with practice, and of course reading. This should get you started:
--Big and Dandy DMT Thread (learn) - http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=409844&highlight=big+dandy+dmt
-- erowid dmt vault - http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dmt/dmt.shtml
Please help me add some more guys! All input is appreciated and I will add it to help make this a better list. I'm lacking with experience in the 2c department. If anyone can help add any tips and experiences that are RC (2c's and such) specific it would be greatly appreciated. Also feel free to straight up tell me what is missing or how things could be better organized. Constructive criticism is always needed. Will be back to edit as well.
Disclaimer:
This is in no way a comprehensive list and no one should take what I say as fact because I am not a doctor. Do not drive impaired. Ever.
First of all if you're reading this you've probably thinking about giving hallucinogenic drugs a try. This is a very general list of very basic information; it is not drug specific. These drugs can be very useful and really just unexplainable given the right mindset and setting. These drugs are powerful. These drugs are NOT for everyone. Please be careful and use your best judgment and do more research than this page before attempting.
Things not covered:
--The product - I'm going to assume what you're getting is real and quality. If it's fake that sucks.
--Pre existing mental health problems - If you have any mental health issues or a family history of them, please reconsider as these drugs could make this worse.
Considering your psychedelic (the holy bible of erowid, flame away you know tremble at its feet)
1. If you are truly new to drugs and know nothing about psychedelics, please visit erowid, as it is really just an amazing resource no matter how dated it gets.
--Acid - http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd.shtml
--Mushrooms - http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms.shtml
2. Acid vs. Mushrooms bluelight debate - http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/archive/index.php/t-58623.html
3. Before trying any hallucinogens, the psychedelic crisis guide is a must read for you and everyone you will be with. This thing is a lifesaver just scan over it. http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/faqs/psychedelic_crisis_faq.shtml
4. Smoked DMT has a special section at the bottom because it's pretty different than traditional psychedelics. This does not apply to the harmaline (sp?) mixture or ayacusa that can be consumed orally.
Things to Consider Before Dosing:
1. Clear your day and know your drugs duration
Please don't think you can trip acid while your parents go out to dinner. You also can't go to work or school while intoxicated. Please take into account how long each substance lasts. For mushrooms/acid I'd honestly say to put aside a whole day, same for 2c's although durations vary. DMT, the lone exception, really doesn't last too long but you'll be weird for several hours.
2. Look up all medications you are taking before you take anything!
This is important as psychedelics interact with a lot of anti depressants. I'm not going to list them because I fear I'd leave one out so really just look up every single medication you take before hand. It's pretty easy and should be done. These threads will get you started:
--Antidepressant and Recreational Drug FAQ - http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=108959
--Big and Dandy Medication/Supplement Interaction Thread - http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=362749
3. Location. Location. Location.
This is so important I will mention it a lot. The old set and setting adage could not be truer. I personally love the outdoors, but at times I would really love a couch to lie on during a bad experience as well. For the first time play it safe and have on central location like a house that will not be disturbed by anyone that's not supposed to be there. This is just for the first time to get a good gauge on your individual reaction. In my opinion, for ones first trip it's better to be in a house or backyard than in public or in the woods.
4. General environment, people and trip sitters
Pick some people who are either experienced, or if not, are good friends and always looking out for your best interests. You will most likely be pretty intoxicated and you don't want just anybody around. Having one sober friend present is amazingly reassuring in case of a difficult experience. Cannot recommend having a sober friend enough but having other trippers to relate to is great too, a mixture of both is optimal. The place you are tripping at makes a big difference too. If it's the house that you sometimes feel anxious at, odds are it would be bad to trip there.
5. Tripping activities
Getting bored during a trip can be a bad thing especially if it happens at the 2-hour mark. Being cooped up in a house doesn't help anything either. This should tie back in heavily to the location mentioned above. Being able to have access to both inside and outdoors is great for beginners so they can change scenery. Music is key, this does not even need to be said. Kids games like tag, hide and seek, or maybe even bored games could all be fun. Dancing obviously and really strange conversation is unavoidable. Movies are dense and hard to understand, best avoid them. Stays away from cooking too, just my one personal experience on that one...no homes were burned to clarify. Once you know how things affect you, then you can branch off and do other things like concerts or parties.
6. Avoid a party
This ties into location again but a party is not the place for your first trip. I feel pretty strongly about this despite the fact that some people would still have a great time. The fact is your first time you don't know what to expect so just play it safe and stay in. Dealing with a lot of people is easy for some and impossible for others while tripping even after lots of experience. Just avoid it at first there will be plenty more parties to come.
7. Plans for the day after
A hard day of work after a long night of tripping can be bad. For your first trip, plan to have a very easy day afterward. There is nothing better than having a "bad trip" and waking up to a day of being thankful to be sane and having nothing to do. That really is the reward of a bad trip and believe me, it's a good reward. It very well could be the best day of your life.
8. Pre Loading/Post Loading
Some swear by it, some say it doesn't matter. This is a complicated issue and to make up your mind you should search around bluelight. In my personal opinion having a healthy diet and a non-eventful recuperation day and sleeping in after is all that's needed.
9. Do not drive
Don't even put this in your schedule because you can't do it. It's so dangerous and irresponsible just don't.
10. These drugs mess with some people’s stomach
You have been warned. Not everyone is afflicted, as with all things drug related, it varies from person to person. Some say it's anxiety related and for me smoking a ton of weed makes me more anxious if I'm tripping hard. In my own experience, mushrooms seem to mess with people more than acid. You also probably wont feel like eating too much even if you don't feel sick. If you are a person that has some kind of vomit phobia now you know. These threads will at least get you started researching:
--Acid related nausea - http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/archive/i.../t-171351.html
--Mushroom related nausea - http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=186254
11. Have a plan in case the trip does become difficult
If life is in danger, which is rare for psychedelic drugs but possible, then go to the hospital immediately. Besides life threatening situations, sober friend is ideal here to talk you down. If you are outside an have a house then go inside, if you're inside then go out. A change of scenery helps a lot of the time, but if you're outside don't leave the yard and get lost. Buddy system is helpful too as goofy as it sounds. Laying down, drinking water, and calm music all go such a long way; even though while sober you'd think it wouldn't matter it will affect your mood. Before you take any more drugs to fix a bad trip, try everything else first unless the person needs to go to the hospital. Some people like to have something like Xanax on hand for a panic attack. I am normally all for the less drugs are better, but as a panic attack sufferer this is not a bad idea. Before you take anything like a benzodiazepine or tranquilizers please do some research. These threads could be helpful for bad trip advice:
--Decent thread - http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/archive/index.php/t-11897.html
*niacinamide should be avoided although someone on this thread say's to take it. This will just make you itchy which I can't see helping.
--Psychedelic Crisis Faqs (already posted but worth it) - http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/faqs/psychedelic_crisis_faq.shtml
Time/Day of Dropping:
1. Please start with a low dose.
You can always take more, but you can never take less. With acid just take one hit to start out with. Mushrooms maybe 1 gram or a quarter of a 1/8th(mushrooms ime really all depend on quality or dosing). DMT dosing is really more complicated. Taking more does not make you cooler, for your first trip just stay with the smallest dose all the way through to gauge your reaction, which brings me to number 2...
2. Please god do not re-dose
It is not uncommon for a first time tripper to either be having a blast or not feeling it and feel the need to take more. Just do not do this the first time. You might think you're not feeling it, and you might be 3 minutes away from being really fucked up without your extra hit. It's your first trip, the smallest dose should produce effects just wait it out.
3. Mental set
If you're depressed, in a bad mood, or not feeling well then do not trip. Just wait until your feeling better. Luckily, if you have acid, it keeps a while in the right conditions so don't fret. If you have any apprehension at all about tripping, just don't you're probably not ready.
4. Smoking weed
This deserves it's own section just due to how common it probably is. Smoking weed will make you more intoxicated in a "foggy" way. For the first time its best avoided or in extreme moderation near the come down. If you are going to smoke anyway it's probably not going to kill you but beware, it can make you more confused and fogs an amazing experience. I personally only like smoking on the come down but to each there own.
While Tripping
It's impossible for me to give you advice here but if you prepared well, things should go really well. Do whatever you feel like doing that's not dangerous. If you start having a bad time, start talking to a friend about it soon. The sooner you do this, the less "rooted" the bad feeling gets. Plus on psychs, you basically have a horrible case of ADD. So if you start discussing why you were anxious, you'll probably forget why before the conversations over.
Coming Down
Congratulations, you have tripped for your first time. IMHO this is when I'd smoke weed if I were you. At like the 6 hour mark on Mushrooms or the 12 hour mark on LSD, you'll realize you're still feeling it but not that much. Durations are not exact, so although LSD lasts 12 hours that does not mean you can just hop in bed and crash right then. Most still have trouble sleeping for a bit after so be prepared and don't let this scare you. Pack a bowl or gather round the TV with friends, its almost like that cliché after sex cigarette; you have to do something.
Some people use other drugs to help with the insomnia afterward ranging anywhere from benzos to opiates and everything in between. This is up to you but I don't think it's a good idea, especially for a first trip. If you feel you must take something, please be smart and look it up first to make sure there are no bad interactions. Lets be smart people.
The special DMT section
DMT, at least when it is smoked, is a bit of an oddball hallucinogen. The duration is somewhere around 10 – 15 minutes, and the onset is instantaneous. For someone tripping for their first time ever, I would personally think most would find it overwhelming. This assumption backfired in my face, as drug assumptions always do, when three people I know who had never tripped before smoked DMT and loved it.
DMT is a physical challenge because you really need to consume your pre measured dose in about 30-60 seconds because the body builds rapid tolerance. This is important because “breaking through” is impossible if you smoke it too slow, although you will still trip some no matter what. Smoke it laying down or sitting with someone to grab your bowl so you don't bust your glass. Before you try again you must wait 1 hour to loose that tolerance. If you don't wait, it won't be as good. Just trying to save you some time and money.
DMT dosing really all depends on the product itself so I’m afraid to list a mg amount. I can pass along a little advice and caution that choose to use DMT that I’ve been able to gather with my limited experience. For one, DMT smoke is akin to burning gorilla ass. It really does smell like burning plastic sometimes. To add to this lovely odor, it feels a lot like red-hot nails on the throat. Have a drink handy before you fall back into oblivion. This technique comes with practice, and of course reading. This should get you started:
--Big and Dandy DMT Thread (learn) - http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=409844&highlight=big+dandy+dmt
-- erowid dmt vault - http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dmt/dmt.shtml
Please help me add some more guys! All input is appreciated and I will add it to help make this a better list. I'm lacking with experience in the 2c department. If anyone can help add any tips and experiences that are RC (2c's and such) specific it would be greatly appreciated. Also feel free to straight up tell me what is missing or how things could be better organized. Constructive criticism is always needed. Will be back to edit as well.
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