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Heroin First time smoking tar - made me sick all day?

atx1

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I'm a moderate opiate user, usage is typically once or twice a month. I've tried heroin before, but never any method except for IV(until last night). Typical IV doses would range anywhere from 100-200mg in a night, dosing at roughly 50mg increments, changing to a new rig each time. Using this method, I never experienced inexplicable nausea - at least nothing I'm not used to, having moderate experience with opiates. Last night, I smoked a total of probably 300-400mg over a four hour period. About an hour after my last smoked dose at around 1:30AM, I began vomiting violently, after which I hit the hay for some very uneasy sleep, spent most of the night tossing and turning, half awake. I "re-awoke" at around 9AM, still extremely nauseous. Long story short, I spend most of the day vomiting roughly once per hour, and experience flu-like symptoms until around 5 PM, when I could FINALLY hold down food or drink. It had been ginger ale and Gatorade all day until that point. This was simply confounding, as my stomach (along with many of yours) has developed a surprising ability to hold down the vast majority of goodies which I drop into it (save for GHB, which inevitably ends in a trip to the bathroom every time, despite almost nightly use).

Has anybody ever experienced anything like this? I understand being sick shortly after use (either due to the lovely taste of vaporized acetic acid, or the strong opiate buzz), but I've never heard of next-day sickness catalyzed by opiate use.
 
opiates never have made me feel any nausea what so ever.......

exit for WD.............how did you switch up those four shots? all different veins?
 
opiates never have made me feel any nausea what so ever.......

exit for WD.............how did you switch up those four shots? all different veins?

me neither....well, thats not entirely true...they have a few times, but every time I LOOOOOVED the nausaea because it meant I was really high. So i equated it to pleasure.
 
Is it possible that it wasn't caused by the dope? Maybe you actually are sick? I know it'd be a bit of an odd coincidence, but it is possible.
 
me neither....well, thats not entirely true...they have a few times, but every time I LOOOOOVED the nausaea because it meant I was really high. So i equated it to pleasure.

Haha! Yep...I never enjoyed puking until I began banging heroin...
 
I've been doing opiates for 3 years and I still have days where I throw up all day.




Hasn't ever stopped me from doing more though. Lol.
 
^^^ What do you think you're throwin up from baybe?

i know i have ruined APAP for myself.

i used to take 10-12 10/325 percocets all day long n not bat n eye cuz my rational was, well i didnt exceed the daily limit in this single dose

then i did almost exclusively heroin for a month n then found out i needed 15-16 percocets to get high so i started doin CWE's but i have perma fucked my liver b/c even doing CWE's on 15-16 10mg percs with only 20ml of water usually at 35-39degrees, i still get those violent apap overdose reactions: headache, neausea, vomitting multiple times per high, really really yellow pee no matter how much water i drink n shit like that.

i actually used to think that because i would take 4000mg of apap at a time that maybe my liver had built up a tolerance n that i was one of those people who could tolerate more then most but now i see all i was doing was pushin it too far n now i cant even tolerate <200mg apap doses ( i know they're less then 200mg im taking cuz ill weigh the pills before a CWE n then dry out the left over gunk n weigh it the next day to find out )

n it sucks i dunno how i did this to myself, this has also all been within the last couple months, i am tapering right now to get off opes and i still havent drinkin a sip of alcohol to see what effects that has on my liver

OP: im gonna go ahead n say maybe u were legit sick n it was a coincidence? i mean i have smoked tx tar a number of times n nobody i know of has ever gotten sick from smokin it, but i could see how those with week stomachs might get bothered by it, but not stay sick until the next day cuz of it
 
for some reason tar is more naseau inducing than powder H, It may have something to do with all the alkaloids in tar? I dunno but I did it once IV with a pretty big tolerance having used a gram of east coast powder daily and the shot of tar made me vomit, after i puked i felt wonderful though
 
opiates never have made me feel any nausea what so ever.......

exit for WD.............how did you switch up those four shots? all different veins?

Two in each arm, one in the lower basilic and and one in the lower cephalic (may be wrong about names of vessels, had that map laid out by an intoxicated pre-med student 8) ), just under the elbow both times (left and right side of each arm, essentially). May seem like overkill to some, but I'm slightly compulsive about injection sites and clean rigs. Plus my vessels are always game and never roll or cause me pain, so why not, you know?


ATLL765 said:
Is it possible that it wasn't caused by the dope? Maybe you actually are sick? I know it'd be a bit of an odd coincidence, but it is possible.

That's very possible, it was probably God's way of saying "Quit that, dumbass".
 
There is a small percentage of codeine and other P. Somniferum alkaloids in tar. This is probably the reason why tar can have such different effects than powder. In my opinion, tar is extremely sedating, even more so than powder; it makes me itch like crazy and my skin gets a crazy prickly sensation right after banging it, similar to morphine; and yes, I too have noticed that tar tended to make me a little nauseous, whether I smoked it or injected it.
If you experience these ill effects while tarring out, keep antihistamines handy. If this doesn't work, either (a) your tar is cut with something nasty, so you better find different dope, (b) you are using too much--if you don't have a big tolerance, try smoking less, or (c) you aren't using enough--if you DO have a big tolerance, perhaps you aren't getting enough and you are experiencing withdrawal symptoms.
 
^ The antihistamines are a good idea, although I find the itching sensation slightly pleasurable. I think option B is more likely, as I'm not sure I take enough opiates to experience WD, tolerance is low to moderate.

A friend suggested that it may be the vapors from aluminum foil. I've noticed when you hold your little "party boat" up to the flame on a candle, you can watch light smoke fume off for a few seconds. It appears that you can burn off this "residue", and the foil no longer fumes when you heat it. I've read about this before, but does it really make that big a difference? Would smoking in a stem be any safer?
 
^ The antihistamines are a good idea, although I find the itching sensation slightly pleasurable. I think option B is more likely, as I'm not sure I take enough opiates to experience WD, tolerance is low to moderate.

A friend suggested that it may be the vapors from aluminum foil. I've noticed when you hold your little "party boat" up to the flame on a candle, you can watch light smoke fume off for a few seconds. It appears that you can burn off this "residue", and the foil no longer fumes when you heat it. I've read about this before, but does it really make that big a difference? Would smoking in a stem be any safer?


No. Foil is fine, and a glass stem would get really messy, really fast. Just don't buy that cheap, thin foil that you can burn holes through (Reynolds Wrap FTW).
 
Only time I've ever thought I was gonna throw up from any opiate was smoking tar. I sniffed the same tar and it didn't make me feel nauseous. I figure when I was smoking I burnt something up that it was cut with and got it into my system.
 
Right on man, thanks for the advice.

You can also try mixing your tar heroin with weed. Marijuana is extremely effective against nausea. If you are a pot smoker, try this:
Put a small layer of weed at the bottom of a bowl. Put a few chunks of black tar on top, then fill the bowl the rest of the way with weed. Use a gentle flame and toke slowly and deeply.
The idea is to not put a direct flame on the heroin--if you mix it up properly the way I just explained, the tar heroin will be melted and vaporized by the heat from the cherry and the smoke. See what I'm saying?
I highly recommend this--I am not a pot smoker because it gives me anxiety-- but pot laced with black tar packs a very euphoric and relaxing high, minus the paranoia and restlessness. And as I mentioned, the THC in the weed will effectively combat your nausea.
 
yeah it was probably just because you smoked too much.

I smoke a lot of tar and have been for a long time, and occasionally if i overdo it i get the gnarliest headaches and will feel sick and puke for like 8 hours. its weird too cuz normally if i dont smoke for like 12 hours i start to withdraw, but if i overdo it like that i can go like 24 hours before i start to feel anything. Anyhow whenever this happens i just try to sleep it off and maybe smoke a few hits of weed.
 
the first time I did it was around 4pm and I didnt get sick untill about 5 am what causes such a big time gap? and why do i keep getting sick from it? I think I keep getting bad shit cus so far pharmaceutical opiates last longer feel better an its consistent clean high
 
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