First time smoking heroin. Questions.

[Aurelia]

Greetings~

i just posted my introduction and now I have some questions.

I take between three and five oxy 30s a day and have for the last six years. It causes some people to become over sensitive to painful stimuli and then to not so painful stimuli. It causes my whole body to hurt in an underlying way, separate from all the parts of me that already hurt. So I tried smoking about a quarter of a gram of black to see if it would help my pain. My tolerance is high enough that nothing happened. I did the Chasing the Dragon method. Wow! What horrible tasting stuff!

Anyway, what is the difference between smoking it up through a straw and snorting it? How do you snort it? This stuff is gluey, can't chop it up, so does it mean just having the smoke go up your nose instead of your mouth? Injecting it is out of the question.

If I take 150 mgs of oxy a day, how much of the black would be a noticeable hit? Thought I'd start small first and nothing happened.

What's the difference between the black and some brown I saw once?

Thank you for helping me. My husband counsels people on a health site and is very knowledgeable about opioids, benzos, antidepressants and pain drugs. I'm going to get him to help here. His name is Felix 17. Maybe tomorrow, as he is asleep now.

 

[ksralyv2mch]

Hello, I do black tar heroin everyday so I am very knowledgeable about it...

First: The difference between smoking and snorting heroin is the bioavailability (or how much of the actual drug is being metabolized in your system) for each Route of Administration (ROA) or how you do it (whether it be snorting, smoking, shooting, plugging, eating etc) cause some ways of doing a drug will get you higher than others.

Here is a link to a quick chart:

http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/266339-Bioavailability-Half-life-MEGA-Thread

It seems to lack a lot of info on heroin, I once read I believe it goes as follows: IV = 100%, Plugging (up the butt) = 98%, IM (shooting into your muscle)= 85%, Smoking = 65%, snorting = 43%, eating = 35% but don't quote me on that.

How you go about snorting black tar heroin is by prepping it like you would a shot. You put the amount of heroin you want to do in a spoon or lid to a water bottle or whatever and add water (preferably warm to hot) and stir it til it dissolves. The water will becomes a dark brown/black color..the darker the color the more potent it is. Now once you have the liquid you have to basically pour it into your nose and then swallow it, so it's basically like eating it.... or drinking it. It is very uncomfortable and since you are pouring a liquid up your nose (you guessed it) it feels like you got water up your nose (like when you go swimming) then you get a terrible drip that is way worse than the flavor of smoking it.

IMO don't snort it, don't do heroin! lol the quality constantly fluctuates and you never know what you are getting and smoking stuff off tinfoil is bad for you and who knows what else is in the heroin, I cough up black/ grey globs on the daily! IT sucks!!!!! Stick to smoking it....

You do have a high Oxy habit meaning you will have to do WAY more H to feel it... for 150mg of Oxy I'd say thats on par of a 1gram+ daily H habit.... When you smoke your heroin, make sure you try to Ghost every hit... Like hold in EVERY hit you take as LOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGg as you can, ok? A lot of people do not do this and waste the heroin, it HAS to be held in for a while for it to have any real effect!

and the difference between black goo brown goo black powder brown powder all has to do with cutting agents and how it was processed... Personally I have found the brown powder to be the best but I won't complain when I'm feeling sick and need some opiates..

 

[Aurelia]

Hi k~

My gosh! Thank you so much for answering all my questions! You were very helpful. I'm also up in new members. Maybe you could join us there. I need people to write to. You'll see why there.

P.S. Your picture probably doesn't do you justice.

 

[rhun]

Lol those bioavailability numbers for heroin are definitely off.

Waterlining BTH is nasty, don't bother. It's even worse than smoking it. If you really want to snort it, cut it with powder. Lactose might be a good option if you're just snorting.

I started with Oxycontin and went from smoking BTH when I was out of pills to a full blown IV heroin addiction. I absolutely regret switching, on Oxy my habit was at least manageable. And the tolerance I developed from doing high amounts of Oxy made heroin a letdown and it took massive quantities just to get me well. Ended up on cocaine and benzos too just trying to get high.

I would suggest switching from Oxy to another prescription opiate. Morphine would be a good option.

 

[ksralyv2mch]

I would suggest switching from Oxy to another prescription opiate. Morphine would be a good option.

Or just stopping all together?

 

[Aurelia]

Thank you rhun, for your knowlegable reply. I had a feeling this was going to end up not working. I've already tried everything except Suboxone which I sure don't want, and MS Contin because my doc won't give it to me and let me keep the oxy. I have a thread going in new members if you're interested. A lot of nice people wrote in.

Have a great evening or day, wherever you are.

 

[rhun]

Thank you rhun, for your knowlegable reply. I had a feeling this was going to end up not working. I've already tried everything except Suboxone which I sure don't want, and MS Contin because my doc won't give it to me and let me keep the oxy. I have a thread going in new members if you're interested. A lot of nice people wrote in.

Have a great evening or day, wherever you are.

I'm on Subutex and it's given me my life back, though there was also a lot of work involved. Don't knock it till you try it, I hear it's also pretty effective for pain. But you need to be done and ready to move on because you won't get high. I can't even tell when I take it, though I've tapered from the max dose down to 4mg, 2mg on good days.

If you're not wanting to go that route, morphine sounds like what you're looking for. Similar to heroin but more sedating and itchy and a little more mellow. Not to mention you'll know the strength and what's in it and you'll be able to continue taking them orally, which I feel is the least addictive of the ROAs. I used to take 4 of the 200mg pills and they definitely felt strong back when I was still using mostly Oxy.

I will definitely pop over to your other thread when I get a sec.

Or just stopping all together?

Ideally, yes. But that's not what she asked and they're obviously not someone just getting into opiates though they may be new to heroin. When she's ready, she'll say so.

Edit: think I finally fixed the quotes after editing 5x. I'm on a Kindle -.-