Heroin First time shoot. Just to be safe, a couple questions.

[MikeMahuth]

Preface: So I had some homepressed Oxy a while back, that was likely mixed with Dilaudid, which I snorted and really enjoyed.

So now I have some #4 heroin that is supposed to be really good. I snorted about 10-12 MG (I have little to no tolerance). There was a heavy sedation/nod, but the euphoria was no where near as good as the Dilaudid/Oxy.



Question: So I have read up a bit, and think I am going to cold shoot (unless I get talked into cooking it).

I am thinking half what I sniffed? So 5 MG? So I just put it into a spoon, add water, stir, put q-tip in spoon, and suck up into syringe, put needle into vein, suck some blood up to make sure vein is hit, then shoot it?


How much water, for 5 MG? Or is the amount of water not a critical thing to get exact? Also, is there a learning curve to sucking it up through the cottonball/q tip? Is one better than the other (q-tip cotton ball)? Is it better to have a little extra water, maybe because less would be wasted in cotton/q tip?


Let's just assume I am 100% not going to be talked out of shooting (for a variety of reasons I will not get into right now).


Although, I would much prefer to continue sniffing, but Oxy is far too expensive, and sniffing H just wasn't as euphoric as I had hoped.

I did, however, do the 10-12 Mg in three doses over the course of an hour, because I wasn't sure how much I needed. Would that have killed some of the euphoria?


Thanks in advance. You guys and gals are always so informative on here.

 

[Joey24x18]

I know you said you can't be convinced not to.
But really, don't do it.

 

[blackwing]

13 may 2012 my first bf ever od on iv heroin, they didnt find him till 2 days later, the drugs were stolen from his older brother, i wish he never got me hooked, now i cant stop looking. he would have turned 18 on 27 may this year but he's no longer here.

 

[Ryno91]

If u have such a low tolerance than why go all the way? Usually once u do it u aren't going to be satisfied doing it any other way... +1 for not doing it, wish I would have never gotten into it, it will eventually steal everything from you. Just roll up some cotton either one would work, small bb sized probably and suck up, I've met dozens of addicts and I believe everyone has a different idea about how much water to use. Personally I like using 80-90 outta 100 just so when Ya flag ya got a little bit of room to work with. Know people that use like 25-30. I'm sure they both have there advantages and disadvantages... Stick to snorting, try smoking it, actually you should just PLUG IT!

 

[f33lg00d]

If you only have to do >100 milligrams you shouldnt be shooting. Wait till you can at least snort 250mg for fucks sake.

 

[crzydiamond]

Yes. Doing the 10-12 mg in 3 doses definitely would kill some euphoria. More so its nt enough to even reach euphoria. Until you are sniffing say 80-100 mgs (absolute minimum. Really i would say sniffing 300+ mg )at once don't even consider shooting. Or your family will be making your funeral arrangements. From someone who has done heroin on and off since 1993 take my advice--don't give up on sniffing when you are at such a low dose. Do you get it in stamp bags? I ask cause when I started I sniffed like 1/3 to 1/2 of a stamp bags. They are usually around 100 mgs. At least back then they were. And I didn't start with pharmaceuticals. Heroin was pretty much my first opiate


If you ever do shoot, yes you have the basic ritual understood. But you don't use a whole qtip. You pull off a very small piece and ball it up with your fingers. Just enough to lay the bevel of the needle on to suck up the liquid. And normally for water, 20 units on a syringe is a good starting point. I'm answering your questions cause it's safer to answer them than not. But really, the drug won't become more euphoric by shooting it. Yes you would get an initial rush. But it's the same drug and if you don't like sniffing it, jumping to shooting thinking you'll like its euphoria better that way is kind of twisted reasoning. Oxy is naturally a more energetic euphoria. Heroin can be. I didn't jump to the needle til I was sniffing 3-4 bags at once to get high.

No you don't need a learning curve to suck up the water. Place bevel (hole) of needle gently on top of qtip piece, draw back. Liquid will go in. Repeat til nothing is left and most comes out of cotton as well. I had a friend who tried shooting for the first time and used way too much water and a whole qtip. That is why I'm specifying you need a very small piece rolled between your fingers. The amount of water that stays behind is negligible

I truly think you just didn't do enough at once. Splitting a 10-12 mg dose I to 3 means you did like 3-4 mg bumps at once. That's not gonna do very much even for a novice.

Think about what I and others are telling you. You have nowhere near a tolerance to even consider a needle. And it won't change the drugs high. If its not for you, stick to a speedier opiate like oxy

 

[DustmanG17]

You'll just get sick as hell and puke and then probably pass out. Assuming you don't miss the vein or you get some cut nasty stuff. Then you end up the guy who gets soda cans out of the dumpster to cut in half so you can throw a bag, some water, and cotton ball (stop putting it in a spoon and cooking it with a lighter please) and get things ready. That was an episode with a guy I used to know. He's dead now. He was dying then. When you start with tin foil or especially (disease) needles, you're only headed one way. There's multiple places in that direction, but you don't want to be in any of them. If you do, you better live somewhere cold or you'll eventually run out of luck hiding your tracks. Long sleeves in 92 degree weather? Oh, and think of some answers for Dr's you come across or when you give blood...Hard to tell the person taking blood that they're from giving blood,,,

 

[DustmanG17]

The needle, and H in general, are for those taking desperate measures. Stick to bumping pharms, where you know exactly what you have. They're getting real messed up with how they cut H sometimes nowadays. If you can't get anything from bumping a good amount of Oxy, then you need to call it a day. The rides over.

 

[DustmanG17]

Agree with everyone's points. I went to a methadone clinic a couple years. People stopped showing up all the time. Then you finally find out they're dead. A guy got shot across the street from the clinic at a Denny's doing a deal. THey just opened the door and pushed him out of the car as they were driving out. It's weird being with someone you don't know as they die. Shouldn't it be a loved one? Instead he dies talking to me. Yes, it will steal everything from you. Who's the person you love most, who always supports you? Now imagine getting caught stealing from them. This isn't a personal story, this is about every junkie who walked the Earth. Oh, and if you're rich, not anymore...

 

[oxygirlinct]

Don't slam if you don't have to. If you have a low tolerance, do it another way, please.

 

[DustmanG17]

You're essentially paying to become a slave. Spending all your effort and time to be a slave. Does that make any sense at all? Oh, and if you're one of those it'll be different with me types, that's what everyone on the needle thought.

 

[DustmanG17]

Hey, Joey24x18 ,I can't message you for 180 minutes...? Anyways, the site is messed up, I've been on them for a week about it. They say they're trying to fix it, but it doesn't sound like it's a priority to them. I told them how I felt about that... (I'm not referring to this site : )

 

[Hecticus]

I can't believe all these responses. 'Don't inject' is not harm reduction ffs. People don't IV purely because of tolerance that is rediculous, if you need to shoot to get high i think you need to back off. I think Heroin is best injected(my opinion). Although i had experience prior with the needle there was only one way i was gonna do Heroin.

Ofcourse i don't recommend injecting anything, but we're gonna do what we're gonna do whether we have good information or not, or none at all. I recommend a MG scale at the very least and when depressing the plunger stop half way to gauge the intensity.

 

[Burnt Offerings]

Why not get a junkie friend who has experience banging it to help you? That's what I'd do, although I have no plans to start shooting.

 

[teological]

Preface:

I did, however, do the 10-12 Mg in three doses over the course of an hour, because I wasn't sure how much I needed. Would that have killed some of the euphoria?


Thanks in advance. You guys and gals are always so informative on here.

Would that have killed some euphoria? It IS THE REASON why you did not feel an adequate level of euphoria. Period. Once you take your first dose and feel the initial rush, you can always add more but that initial rush and euphoria will never hit a peak again, unless you take a mammoth dose which will, but still feel sort of blocked out.

If you want to feel proper euphoria, you must first select a proper dose that you are sure you will not OD on. Then use that dose IN ONE GO. Then, you will feel the euphoria proper. Opiates should not be used spaced out if you are looking for a rush. So instead of shooting, try it. So take that 10mg you used in an hour, and rail it in 2 minutes, then come back here and thank me after.

 

[crzydiamond]

^ this. That going from baseline of zero (completely sober) to high is IMO where the rush and euphoria come from

And yes, when redosing it'll keep you going but it doesn't kick in a euphoria or rush like the first dose

 

[afroberry]

OP probably Iv'd annnnnnnnnnnnd their gone

 

[clord0]

If you want to feel proper euphoria, you must first select a proper dose that you are sure you will not OD on. Then use that dose IN ONE GO. Then, you will feel the euphoria proper. Opiates should not be used spaced out if you are looking for a rush. So instead of shooting, try it. So take that 10mg you used in an hour, and rail it in 2 minutes, then come back here and thank me after.

^This is so helpful, I've been playing with H a little snorting and only had small rushes, was considering acquiring needles (fuck knows where I'd get them) but if doing a bigger amount to being with for snorting is better for euphoria maybe I should try that!

I roughly know my tolerance now I'd say from snorting H #3 and #4, so may give this a try.

 

[romealone]

/B]

I can't believe all these responses. 'Don't inject' is not harm reduction ffs. People don't IV purely because of tolerance that is rediculous, if you need to shoot to get high i think you need to back off. I think Heroin is best injected(my opinion). Although i had experience prior with the needle there was only one way i was gonna do Heroin.

Ofcourse i don't recommend injecting anything, but we're gonna do what we're gonna do whether we have good information or not, or none at all. I recommend a MG scale at the very least and when depressing the plunger stop half way to gauge the intensity.

Actually a unified chorus of ppl who have gone down that road and know where it invariably leads urging someone who Is clearly at a crossroads to not take the one that leads off a cliff is perhaps the best example of harm reduction I can imagine. Yes, ultimately he, like all of us will need to make that choice for himself but that doesn't mean that a community like this shouldn't do all they can to help steer him down the other road in an effort to, I don't know....reduce the harm associated with drug use.

If he's hell bent on shooting then you're right that it's best he's equipped with information to allow him to do it as safely as possible, and this site probably has over 1000 threads detailing the process (it's not rocket science), so please excuse everyone for seeing this as an opportunity to convince someone to avoid taking the first step down that ugly path rather than explaining the best way to avoid breaking his ankle en route to the edge of the cliff.