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First time opiate with snorted dilaudid

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Horrux

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What would be a reasonably good dose in terms of mg/kg?

As I wrote, I have no tolerance whatsoever. Well, there is some codeine in my migraine meds, which means I occasionally use 24mg of codeine from time to time.

I also weigh 320lbs so I need mg/kg in order to have some idea how much I need. If you're 160lbs, I think I'd need twice what you would need. Can someone confirm this?

Thanks
 
4mg shouldn't be any worry. I shot up a friend with one of the triangle 8mgs, and he's lightly experienced with IVing heroin, and he was blown away by how intense it was; but doing it any other way but IV is nothing to write home about.
 
I really don't know but start low! You can always add more, but it's pretty tricky to fix if you take too much and OD (without a handy nearby ambulance crew and naloxone of course..)

I imagine nasal administration of dilaudid comes on quick same as most drugs (correct me if I am wrong someone please!) so you should be able to titrate your dose up til you are where you want to be.

Also, make the lines small and thin so it doesn't shoot down your throat or fall back out of your nose. Take a bit of time between them to allow the drug to be absorbed.

Be careful - with no tolerance you are going for a pretty strong opioid for your first time! Yes nasal bioavailability isn't great but I have known someone have pretty bad respiratory depression with 20mg oral morphine so people's natural tolerance when they are opiate naive can vary wildly. Go steady and stay safe :)

(sorry I can't be more specific, dilaudid is not my area of expertise, just wanted to make sure you were going to be safe!)
 
start with .5-1mg, and work your way up. hydromorphone is more potent mg for mg than most other opiates so keep it low. i think 4mgs would be too much especially because you have never even taken oxy.
 
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effie said:
I really don't know but start low! You can always add more, but it's pretty tricky to fix if you take too much and OD (without a handy nearby ambulance crew and naloxone of course..)
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To add to what effie said, remember you can always take more but its impossible to take less. You can have the effects reversed if you're lucky.
Hydromorphone is very potent, so your best bet is to titrate your dose up to the level you're comfortable with. A rather safe way for doing such is to take 1mg at a time and wait around 30 minutes or so to see how you feel. That waiting period should give you adequate time to gauge whether or not you're ready for more. Also, Hydromorphone is very water soluble just like other opiates so you should have no problem with intranasal absorption, I can guarantee you that the Bioavailability of intranasal (~%60) is nowhere near as high as IV (~%100) but it damn sure beats swallowing it; Oral BA is ~%30. So just be careful and don't be in a hurry, the high will come, don't worry. ;)
 
laCster said:
start with .5-1mg, and work your way up. hydromorphone is more potent mg for mg than most other opiates so keep it low. i think 4mgs would be too much especially because you have never even taken oxy.
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Keep in mind that hydromorphone's potency is very ROA-dependent. A quick check with a narcotic converter shows that 4mg of PO (oral) hydromorphone is equal to 10mg of oxycodone, which I think would be an good starting dose for an opiate-naive person. However, 4mg IV is equivalent to 53mg of oxycodone. As you can see, the difference is striking. Intranasal bioavailability would likely be somewhere between the two.

To the OP: If you are completely opiate naive, I would recommend 2mg. If you have taken opiates before, even a long time ago, I would recommend 4mg. I base this on personal experience. I took 4mg insufflated hydromorphone a couple of years back and it delivered a nice, if short-lived high. This was with zero tolerance. It now takes me 16-24mg just to get a good 'rush' via IV, so be careful with this stuff. The presence of a great rush and a short half-life makes for an extremely addictive chemical.
 
I snorted 4mg and felt basically nothing. I mean, I'm not sure if I felt something or not, which to me means I didn't feel a thing, as at that level it is possible to just imagine you are feeling something when you aren't. Please bear in mind I weigh 320lbs, so in terms of mg/kg, which is how the medical community measures dosage, my 4mg is probably a lot more like 2mg for most of you. I have a few more but I think I'll just stack them with my migraine medication, which contains barbiturates, so I'm going easy, 2mg on top of my 2x fiorinal for a nicer pain-free feeling.

I am tempted to snort some more, but I feel I would likely have to snort 8mg to get something out of it, and experimenting with the dose will see me through my stash in a hurry, which I don't like. I'm a stasher. I guess I'll just keep on rec'ing with my usual Meth, MDA, 2C-B... I'm not even sure I would enjoy the buzz of these things, given that I am afflicted with extreme chronic exhaustion anyway...
 
If you have Chronic Fatigue Syndrome please please please be careful mixing barbiturates and opiates. The mixture of the two can cause extreme respiratory depression and even failure. Just keep in mind that barbs potentiate the effects of opiates and with you having no tolerance at all it's honestly not something I would recommend combining, but if you must, be careful because it would be very easy to overdo it and you'd never know it / barbs and opies combined would essentially stifle your gag/gasp reflex and you'd fall asleep and never wake up.
 
^This.

Mixing barbs and opiates is very dangerous in general. I would just do the opiate by itself for your first time. As others have mentioned, 1-2mg snorted is probably all you'll need. It will kick in quickly with that ROA. I would start with 0.5mg or 1mg and wait 15-30 minutes and see how you feel. You may only need 1mg. Start low. Hydromorphone is a very potent opiate.
 
NeighborhoodThreat said:
^This.

Mixing barbs and opiates is very dangerous in general. I would just do the opiate by itself for your first time. As others have mentioned, 1-2mg snorted is probably all you'll need. It will kick in quickly with that ROA. I would start with 0.5mg or 1mg and wait 15-30 minutes and see how you feel. You may only need 1mg. Start low. Hydromorphone is a very potent opiate.
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Well given that 4mg didn't do anything, I feel you are being a bit too cautious.

I am aware of the potential dangers of stacking barbiturates and opiates, but I must say that my fiorinal is not very potent, barb-wise, and so... 2 of those with 2mg dilaudid was a nice buzz instead of a migraine. Good deal. Next time I'll try 3mg, although I feel that might be my ceiling dose, given that the 2mg one made me kinda sleepy. But just "kinda", not nodding or anything.
 
A few hours later, half a glass of wine knocked me on my ass... I thought the stuff was inactive. WHOA. I'll be wery wery caweful... :O
 
Horrux said:
A few hours later, half a glass of wine knocked me on my ass... I thought the stuff was inactive. WHOA. I'll be wery wery caweful... :O
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Barbiturates + opiates + alcohol? Be very, very careful dude. Seriously.

I know a lot of people don't like hydromorphone because for some reason it just doesn't offer them good bioavailability when insufflated, and everyone knows that it sucks when taken PO. I do not in any way recommend you do this, but many say that hydromorphone is only really "worth it" if you take it intravenously. I guarantee that 4mg IV would knock you on your ass if you have no opiate tolerance. That being said, if you don't use drugs IV I absolutely do not recommend you start now. Instead, find someone who does IV and give the Dilaudid to them. They'll thank you for it. Ask for something with high oral bioavailability (oxycodone, hydrocodone, oxymorphone if you're lucky) instead.
 
Absolutely. As for exchanging them, I do not know anyone who would have something to exchange them for.
 
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