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First time Methylone use questions

SilentRoller

SilentRoller

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Greetings all,
I'm a new user to this forum, despite having lurked and used Bluelight for many years to aid in my drugs knowledge. I'm aware this may be quite late considering the ban on Methylone in the UK, but despite extensive reading of many Methylone threads and trip reports, I still can't find a conclusive answer to my queries; therefore I'm hoping you guys could help. :)

Previous Drug Experience: [For Reference] Cannabis, Mushrooms, MDAI, MPA, 5-IAI

To cut a long story short, I have managed to acquire 2 grams of some pure (98%+) Methylone, as I wanted something that I could do as a treat and would last me a while. I've read many good things concerning this substance, and therefore plan on doing it in a few weeks with the Girlfriend for the first time. However, there are a few things I would like to know prior to dosing.

Firstly, how cardiotoxic is this stuff compared to the likes of MPA? MPA was my first real dabble in stimulants, and whilst I got a nice pleasant buzz and a bit of euphoria, it vastly outstayed its welcome, ending with me not getting much deep sleep for about 24 hours, after what was a below 100mg dose (Note, I did follow the MPA with a small bomb of 5IAI also). My main concern with Methylone is that I'm going to get a frightful heart-race increase which will end up with me panicking etc, or worse causing my heart to pack in [always my worry on stims]. I have no diagnosed heart conditions, etc.

Secondly, as with all stimulants, a small amount of vasoconstriction is likely to occur (although I can't say I noticed it that much on MPA), however, I have read a few worrying reports of individuals arms/hands etc turning blue, and in one extreme event an individual nearly had kidney failure due to the extent of the vasoconstriction! (MEPHedrone alarms bells are ringing here). Therefore, I have purchased some 500mg L-arginine capsules as I heard they are good for vascular health and promote dilation. Does anyone have any experience with how these work with methylone (is it safe to do so?!)

Lastly (sorry for long post!), what would you guys suggest dosage wise? I have looked at many threads on here stating the dosages to be anywhere between 100mg - 200mg +, but as I will be fairly nervous with this substance, I was thinking of bombing 50-60mg first time as a tester to ease myself into it (I have no plans to re-dose, I never do on any substance). Would this be enough to feel anything, considering I am obviously rather sensitive to stims.

Thanks for your time

SilentRoller
 
Since it's an RC, nobody can tell you much about toxicity.

Dosage wise i would suggest starting low, i.e. beginning with, let's say 50mg and look what's the outcome.

Even 240mg gave my little hamster just a very speedy feeling but absolutely no euphoria, which i found to be very strange regarding dosage recommendations of other users.
 
In terms of toxicity, that was the answer I feared (as with most RC's). I wasn't looking for a definite 'Methylone' WILL give you face cancer (or something grim) answer as such, but rather what the strain is it puts on your heart etc. If its going to really test me from a cardio point of you, I might as well bin in and pick up some ethylphenidate instead (although I rather not do this, as that is then 30 quid out the window!). I'm aware that all stims tax you cardiovasculary is some way or another, but the body load of say MDMA never feels frightening. I'm surprised to hear you can dose 240mg and not experience euphora, as I was well informed that at about the 180mg mark, the euphoria can be quite intense.
 
I'm going to move this over to Ecstasy Discussion, since its a related compound.

ED mods, feel free to move this back here if you see fit.

OD --> ED
 
The effects of methylone are very close related to MDMA but somewhat less intense, i found my perfect spot to 250mg, but keep in mind I am a large person. 200mg is recommended for most people.
Yes methylone promotes vasocontriction but not in the same terms as MPA which is very vasoconstrictive, it gives you stim-dick and makes it difficult to see bloodvessels, but it does NOT turn your limbs blue.
My heartrate goes from 70 to about 110-120 BPM under the influence of methylone (while relaxing, dancing is a whole other story)

There is no reason to be nervous about this compound, its very mild and gentle. 50-60mg will not get you anywhere. Try 150mg if you wanna start low.
 
Cheers for the info Bone, there goes my hopes of euphoria filled "frolics" with my Girlfriend then eh 8) (curse you stim dick!). In terms of vasoconstriction, I agree, MPA felt so dirty and scatty. The come-up was alright, but it vastly outstayed its welcome leading to me being trapped in the state of too tired to stay awake, but too awake to sleep. What is Methylone like for sleeping issues at lower does such as 100 - 150mg?. Also, would it be safe to continue dosing on my L-arginine the day I choose to take it?
 
MPA is a gross ass chemical. Its shittier meth. (ew)


As for methylone though, it has a very similar action to MDMA, but "less". So just take any advice for MDMA and trim it down a bit to fit your needs, IE:

You wont need the full 90 day break, 1 or 2 months should be fine. Dont take more than 200mgs of MDMA, no more than, oh say 300-350 of methylone, so on and so forth. Its really just like "MDMA lite", but of course it does carry risks associated with long term use, like 5HT depletion.


also for "stim dick", I only find that to be a problem with amphetamines, Im sure you'd be fine with methylone
 
little euphoria with the methylone which is why mdma is so much more popular but methylone will give u a more uppy feeling to dance etc like you want when at a event/festival for the most part // pure mdma there will have u laying in a cuddle puddle lol
 
Thanks for the guidance everyone. I think I'll choose to drop about 100mg for the first time (after a smaller allergy test earlier in the day obviously). Just got my scales out to calibrate, and after doing so, I'm wondering if the reading seems a bit under (I calibrated with a 100g weight btw). The attached picture shows a small amount of herbal tobacco on the scale reading 0.03g, which seems low for the amount on the scale. Obviously, I'm aware the weight of a substance can vary on many factors such as over what area the mass is spread etc. (and that 0.03g of one substance won't look the same as 0.03 of another). However, from a purely estimate point of you, could anyone possibly tell me if it looks about right. I would hate to be measuring out the methy, and weigh out 200mg + thinking it was 100mg etc. How forgiving is the DR curve? I always thought that 100mg seemed to 'look' a rather large amount:\

Thanks

SR

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Don't worry, It is possible to get an erection with methylone. As for sleep, I feel i can sleep about 5-6 hours after i dosed. You won't really feel the 100mg I think. Maybe slightly.
 
I get the general impression that the consensus is that dosing 100mg would be a waste of time. However, there seem to be reports on Erowid of individuals doing about 100-125mg and feeling effects. Keep in mind, that I am generally very sensitive to stimulants, so what do you guys think is the best course of action, considering we will be dropping it, and then heading out on a university social and going to a few bars. I don't really want to gurning my face off with endless stimulation whilst sitting down in a pub! On a side note, the Methylone I'm getting is in the form of small yellowish crystals. I'm planning on bombing about 2mg as a allergy test earlier in the day, to make sure its not Methy passed off a MDPV or something horrid!

What the hell is in that pic? looks like cat shit!
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I concur. It's a bit of herbal tobacco I had lying about, so I used it as a test.
 
As said, 240mg didn't do much besides overstimulation and an overall very scatty feeling, so i'm asking myself, if a greater dose would bring the everywhere mentioned euphoria/loved-up-feeling or just increases the level of (over-)stimulation?

It's really annoying to a.) waste material and b.) just getting unwelcome "side-effects" out of it, when there's absolutely no benefit.

So you've got just the two possibilites of a.) taking the risk of doing too much and probably getting what you wanted or b.) being pissed because of the wasted material and/or missing effects you're looking for.
 
Keep in mind, methylone is a very lite version of MDMA, I've never seen MDMA faces and never had my self. Go with 150mg, If you are sensitive I bet that will be your sweet spot. Do not expect an overwhelming experience, methylone is mild but damn its lovely!

Or you can dose the 100-125mg and then redose if you want to. I'm just sure you will find 100mg disappointing.
 
Going on the general opinion, I think I will dose 100mg ish (perhaps slightly more) and use that as a baseline. Then on my next go with methylone, I can always dose more accordingly, as I have a real aversion to re-dosing on any substance. My opinion is that you can always take more, but you can't take it back. I have heard that in the "sweet spot" the euphoria (according to some trip reports) can be fairly intense, which is great as I love socialising whilst rolling.

@Bone14: When you mention 2 hours, are you referring to the peak, or the overall duration from absolute start to finish?

On an unrelated note, anyone got any thoughts on 4-MEC? Apparently its absolute bliss, but its hellish addictive!
 
Im refering to the overall duration unfortunaly. Dont expect more than 2½ hours of effect, with an 1 hour afterglow. If you want to, you can take a booster, it extends the effects for about an hour. But only 1 redose!
 
Really? Wow! that's fairly short, I was expecting longer to be honest. If its such a short duration, how come many find it difficult to achieve sleep until about 5 hours afterwards? I assume the one re-dose to down to the fact to its rather fiendish....If I was looking for a longer experience, whats your experience with butylone or 4-MEC?
 
I have no experience with those two chemicals.
4-MEC is an analog of the cardiotoxic drug mephredrone which I find absolutely disgusting (others disagree)

After the 3 hour mark you will find you self rather exhausted but will find it hard to sleep due to the heavy serotonin release. Though, I dont think it will be a problem if you dose 100mg.

1 booster with methylone is no problem, not fiendish in anyway, its when you redose above this it gets fiendish.

Once, I was stupid and took 650mg over 4 hours, resulting in shaking and OVERstimulation.
 
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