First time Kratom

[AllorNothing]

First post here so bare with me, apologies if I posted in the wrong area. I made sure to really look over the forum and read all the rules so hopefully I'm doing okay.

Anyways, my Kratom arrived yesterday (green vein Malay) and I have no idea what I'm doing with this stuff haha.

What is a safe dose for a first timer? I understand this stuff works on opiate receptors but is not an opiate. Having said that I have a decent tolerance to opiates. I usually take 70-80 mg of Oxy a day between two doses. I also use about a quarter gram of decent quality H a day.

Just trying to see what this stuff is all about before it gets banned. Any info would help so I'm not flying blind.

Also is it safe to mix with opiates (after I try it without anything else in my system). Have also noticed some discussion about Kratom to ease withdrawal. If I decide to try this can anyone give me a rough idea of how much would be needed to take the edge off?

I know my habit isn't horrendous in relation to others but I run a restaurant and deal with the public all day. I can't afford to just "tough it out". Will Kratom take the edge off anxiety I experience during withdrawal? That's the only "crippling" symptom I worry about.

Thanks in advance for any info, and sorry for the long winded post.

 

[Nati]

I would start with 5-8 grams. This dose should be sufficient in relieving any withdrawal symptoms. I find it very effective in relieving anxiety. You will not get the same euphoria as traditional opiates but it goes a long way in taking the edge off.

If your intent is to mimic an opiate buzz I would switch to red veins as they tend to be more sedating than the greens.
Ive found mixed reviews on combining with other opiates. Some report it had little effect while others report it was overwhelming causing nausea. I've never mixed kratom with my DOC personally so I can't elaborate on that.

Kratom is a god send for fighting withdrawal. However it can be easy to get carried away with and can create dependency itself. With daily use tolerance can build quick especially using extracts and tinctures stay away from those. Be safe and don't try to abuse it. It works very well when respected.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Save it untill you ll need it when your out of oxy and quit your heroine. This is the best and only advise I can give. I am a polydrug user but not into these 2 you mentioned.

But Kratom has my highest regards, not currently taking any, would I have I would be on it. Don't use it untill you need it. And the stay with it and continue on the path you are.

Start on a lowest dose possible 1/2 of an recommend one I guess should be safe so 2,5 grams green vein Malay in your case. As I have no clue if previous exposure to opioids builds resistance to Kratom naussea.

 

[Shell34]

I'm in the same boat as 'AllorNothing' as far as my daily oxy doses and I just bought some kratom this week for the first time, as I'm trying to get off the skittles. I bought 2 different kinds, one from a headshop, an one online. Can anyone tell me the "right" way to take this crushed up leaf/powder thing?.. Also, any tips on the best brands, etc?... I've heard mixed reviews on some having fillers etc. - And really.. how do we even know what we're buying since it's not fda approved?.. Not to be a skeptic or anything! - Truly! Kratom might just be my only chance of weaning off the meds. Just wanna make sure I'm buying & using it correctly. Any tips would be greatly appreciated.

 

[AllorNothing]

Thanks for the info! Didn't know that red vein was better at mimicking opiates. I will probably wait until I am out of everything before using kratom. I'm not trying to trade addictions. Just trying to find an easier way to deal with withdrawal.
As far as how to take it shell34 from what I understand the most common way is toss and wash. So Kratom in your mouth then rinse it down with water or OJ. Haven't actually tried mine yet but that's what I keep reading everywhere.

 

[BlackWarGreymon]

Hey AllorNothing, I think your tolerance to opiates is too high to even notice anything from Kratom no mater what strain or extra potency it is. I took many strains of Kratom when trying to look for something OTC for pain. While its not my business why you use opiates or where you get them from let me say that your best bet is to lessen the dose of Oxycodone. Not sure if you are taking just IR Oxycodone or the ER Oxycodone called Oxycontin and other various brands... But seeing how you use Diamorphine already I think Kratom is just pointless. It may act on opioid receptors, but that does not mean it will negate an effect equivalent to that of a morphine chain. Some synthetic opioids work due to chain similarities to morphine and the like but its much like herkinorkin, while it may have opioid activity, its not going to create pain relief or euphoria or anything typical of opioids in my opinion. I just feel like its a waste, plus it tastes so horrible! I took various dosages and puked several times due to the awful taste. The only Kratom strain I got anything from was the tincture with isolated alkaloids extracted with alcohol. The effect was not really a pleasant one either and to me nowhere near a true opioid in the tradition sense of how medically at least and I guess recreational others look at it.

 

[Nati]

Yeah toss and wash is my go to method and really the only true way to get the best absorption. Wash it down with grape fruit juice as this has some added benefits.
Fair warning this shit taste absolutely vial. Which is why I do toss and wash. Just get it over with as fast as possible LOL.
Yeah as I stated before it's great for withdrawal but terrible to use recreationally IMO.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Dump in boilling hot water wait for the powder to sink in the water then swirl with something, add cold water and bottoms up.
It was my preffered way worked seamingly as good as tosh & wash with some imo benefits, they both work.
But the boiled water (sterilisation albeit a very brief one) and probability of the tosh method going wrong made the difference.

Reminder Kratom powder and to a lesser degree the disolved have the tendency to not wanna go down very easy.
This seems purely caused by the consitency of the powder.
So be warned and the taste ain't that great either.

 

[AllorNothing]

Thanks again guys! And greymon as far as my tolerance and a euphoria, I realize I'm probably not gonna get 'high'. Im really just looking for something to hold me between pickups. Thanks for the honest info tho lol if I had any hope for a buzz it's gone now. But it's better that way. Now I won't be waiting around for something that's not coming.

 

[sonicwhite]

All I have to say is enjoy. Kratom is so much better for you and you can get the same type of self contement that H would.

 

[Nati]

All I have to say is enjoy. Kratom is so much better for you and you can get the same type of self contement that H would.

Kratom is way better for you. I wouldn't go as far as putting in the same ballpark as H though. More like a few Oxys if you get a high enough dose and a good strain.
Still a fairly decent way to stave off withdrawal none the less.

 

[CfZrx]

I get mine from the best place in the US, and if you order from dudes like this I recommend keeping your doses small, never more than 2 teaspoons. Empty stomach is good everyone says

 

[crazybinc]

First time swim used kratom was about a year
Ago. Nothing special about it. It was branded
'Poseidon herbal tea' '21 and over' Came in
A 10g bag similar 'herbal incense package design'
Took 5gs even tho recommend heavy dose
Was 3-4g and it felt quite nice. Very
Sedating and relaxing. Mild euphoria.
And lasted about 4 hours with a
Sleepy come down of about
2hours. Kinda pricey for the effect. Not that interested
And wouldn't bother to buy again. If offered free then why not would be good for a opiate CD probably