Opioids First time Kratom experience

[Mariguana]

So I bought a oz of some bali kratom I is not really sure how potent it is and I also got some maeng da samples ( 5 Grams) I also got some thai extract 50:1 I hasnt tryed that yet but with a little bit more research and i will take some. well so I don't have a scale either so I just used a tablespoon of 8:10 of the tablespoon bali and 2:10 maeng da. It had a very bad taste I swallowed it then I started gaging and threw it right out when it went down my throat.

So I didnt start feeling effects until about the 45 min mark

45min since toss and wash: I was feeling nice I was also listening to music it felt good I liked sit-leaning in this special position I felt like I was in a bubble when I got up I felt dizzy. when I thought about the kratom smell and taste my stomach felt nauseous even when I wasn't high

1 hour since tNw: same effects slightly stronger I felt like he didnt want to ever move

1 hour 30 minutes since tNw: Effects started to decline slowly

3 hours since tNw: back to baseline

Is this what I should normaly be expecting when I take kratom because I have heard alot of people talk about sedative and stumulant side of kratom. I don't really think that this was very sedative because I wasnt sleepy or stimulated. Maybe I took a dose right in the middle? I am not very sure I have done some research on kratom. I would also like to know the dose for my thai 50:1 Lotus extract. should i take the whole 5 grams i think that its 50 grams of kratom per 5 grams of extract not 50 grams of kratom per gram because that would be about 250 grams. the extract was in powder form not resin so I thought that was kind of confusing
This is also my first post because i am new to bluelight.

 

[Screaming_Skull]

Ok, since it's your first post, we don't use SWIM here, it's stupid,everyone(even the popo) know it's YOU. And wrong place to post this, belong's in Trip Reports.

 

[Mariguana]

Oh lol i though that we would get banned or something

 

[KyleOpium]

I've been using kratom daily for about 6 months.

1. Don't take the extract if you plan to use more than once a week. First time I used an extract it took my tolerance from 3 grams of plain leaf to feel it, to 7 grams overnight.

2. I find mixing strains of the same color or variety to cause massive headaches. For example mixing white sumatra, and green sumatra will give me a headache, but mixing white vietnam, and green bali will not.

3. Don't redose, it kills the high and makes everything dysphoric.

4. Yes, this is what you should expect from kratom. If you've done opiates in the past, or have a tolerance dont expect much. I use it daily as a coffee substitute, and an anxiolotic. It lasts a very short time, and tolerance rises exponentially like with all other opiates.

 

[Mariguana]

The only other time i have taken other opiates was in the November-December when i took about 15 mg of hydrocodone often when i ran out of pills i simply stopped using opiates since then.

 

[KyleOpium]

Kratom also has a reverse tolerance in some, like weed. You know how the first couple times you smoked, you didn't get high? This is how kratom is in many people. I think it took me about 4-5 times to understand the feeling completely. Wait 6 hours between doses and try again. If you still aren't satisfied, you either got bunk kratom, or kratom is just not for you. Don't expect too much from it, it's very subtle.

 

[Mariguana]

Im also planing to mix some kratom with weed but not smoke too much to over shadow the kratom buzz and to also reduce some nausea. even when i smoke i feel spaced out ive only smoked a handful=l of times i think i need more time to feel weeds full effect also.

 

[sekio]

You really have to get a scale if you want to have reproducible experiences. One problem is that spoons are not always of the same size and another is that kratom powder can vary widely in density. Especially with extracts... they can range from dark crunchy instant-coffee type crystals to light powder almost like dried kratom leaf. Weighing it out ensures you get an accurate dose no matter what the volume of plant material is. Even an 0.1g scale is good enough. Seriously, get one, it will make your life easier.

Kratom extracts are sometimes nowhere near as potent as they are claimed to be, but you can't tell until you try them. Sometimes they are really good. Sometimes they are middle of the road. Extract could be really good stuff that only needs about 1-2 grams to get a good buzz, or it could be totally inactive. If it's bitter and it feels like it dissolves easily then it's probably at least 5x potency alkaloid absorbed back onto leaf as a carrier. You have to eat some to find out the activity level though. So start small and don't go throwing back tablespoons of extract without weighing it or you'll get sick for sure.

You've probably realized kratom is sort of like coffee, it makes you feel nice but won't necessarily get you super amped up or knock you out, especially at that kind of dose. 4-5 grams is pretty much perfect for many people. Like you said it's right in the middle. It's just a nice all-arounder. In higher doses it could make you more groggy or sick, but it could also make you more sedated and narced out. Lower doses could make you more stimulated. It sounds like it did work just like it's supposed to, given that you felt content and in your little bubble. That does sound like kratom. You're doing it right.

Don't smoke kratom, it's nasty and doesn't really burn good. It's meant to be eaten. If you want to mix them, eat the kratom and smoke the weed afterwards. Mixing kratom with cannabis is always good times. It reduces the nausea and makes people feel good all around

The best way to toss and wash is to have a bunch of water to wash the majority of it down with and then a strongly flavored drink like ginger ale, cola, root beer, sports drink, or orange juice to get the taste out of your mouth. If you take your time and don't swallow more than about 4-5 grams (about one tablespoon of dried leaf) in one mouthful, you'll be OK.

It can take a little bit for kratom to kick in because the alkaloids like to stick to the leaf - you can speed up the onset by making tea if you can tolerate the taste. Or take it on an empty stomach with a large volume of fluids (500mL). Onset should be within about 1/2 hour. Otherwise it can take about an hour for all the alkaloids to be soaked out of the leaf by your gut acids.

Blue lotus is unrelated to kratom, you should look other places for advice about that. It's not anywhere near as ... useful as kratom is I think. It will mostly just make you feel wierd and possibly make you sick.