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Opioids First Time Heroin After Meth Binge.

snazzy_sn

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I have reasons other than I just want to try it to see what it's like.
I started off four days ago and was gonna have to wait so blah blah things got out of control.

Anyways. Nearing the end of fourth day with no food or sleep. Terrible I know. Anyways I could go to sleep but for my own reasons I cannot sleep until I do my first shot of heroin.

This feels especially dangerous though because of the food and sleep deprivation, I've lost a lot of weight feel physically unhealthy, but I mean if I'm gonna do it is there anyway to minimize the risk? Or is this just kind of in my head?

Not sure if that made sense, my grammar and my ability to articulate ideas are way off right now. Sorry. Thanks.
 
Yea,
Snort it.
Or shoot a very small amount the first time. Then gauge your dose from there. Of course being you've been tweaking for 96 hours your dose will probably have to be adjusted if you do it without Meth in your system.

Of course going to sleep right after you do Heroin for the first time probably isn't the smartest thing in the world either. At least if you're awake if you feel like you're getting in trouble you could have a chance to do something about it.
 
i dunno.. i wouldn't do it. something about not having eaten or slept and being delirious makes me uneasy about the whole idea for you. i would REALLY advise having a good meal and getting at least 4-6 hours of rest before shooting anything up.. especially for your first time.

are you going to have someone with you when you do it? if you are going to go ahead and do some dope i would strongly advise having someone be with you like a tripsitter, just in case something DOES go wrong.

plus, being sleep deprived you won't even be able to enjoy the high of heroin. you'll likely just pass out and wake up hours later and be like "wtf?". to me, i see that as a complete waste of dope.

good luck.
 
Yeah, the sleep deprivation is what has me worried.
I was kind of planning on doing just a tiny little bit, going to sleep, waking up and doing it for real. Which really makes no sense when I could just go to sleep now wake up and do it, but. It's like something I have to do and I can't really explain it.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I'll have someone with me.
I'm apprehensive given my condition, but yeah.
Something I gotta do.

Researching damage control seemed like the only productive thing to do while i wait.
Haha, thanks.
 
I don't think slammin dope after 4 days of geekin sounds right. Do like he ^ said and snort a very small amount. Go from there
 
I would say unless you have expierience doing heroin or opiates then do it otherwise be very careful. Being awake that long can impair judgement. just be safe
 
Sounds like what some Mexican meth dealers did about 8 years ago, more or less, they would give out free samples of tar heroin with an 8 ball or whatever of meth, and when the people were coming down, they would smoke or inject the heroin to ease their jitters, about 6 months after doing this I heard that 1/2 of the meth users that got the free heroin samples each time were doing heroin as their primary drug of choice and were not doing meth as much, and the other 1/2 of the people I heard still used meth but many also did tar from time to time, the dealers created a new market for heroin among tweekers and the 1/2 that ended up switching to heroin became new customers and so on..hooked on heroin, espceially the injectors...Thats a sneaky but effecicent way to create new users It seems..
 
Yea I think I just posted this somewhere else actually, but endless crackheads have become hooked on dope using it to comedown.
 
Yes, it's true. I don't know of any statistics (wouldn't be surprised if there were many though) but it seems a lot of heroin/oxycodone addicts become so because of how well it works for coming off uppers....

A lot of people who get morphine/dilaudid shots in the hospital and have no experience with drugs, don't like it. It makes them feel itchy, sweaty, and uncomfortable. Drugs like crack & meth, are on the other hand, immediately likeable; the burst of euphoria is over-powering. Yet feeling comforted after the binge, is something out of their reach until they try an opiate; and that's where they move from being upper people to downer people.

It happens a lot this way it seems; because once the itchiness, sweatiness, etc. goes away from the histamine reaction and your body is no longer opiate naive; it becomes easier and easier to notice the high; I'd explain the difference in this way; dopaminergics like cocaine & amphetamine are reinforcing like the moments leading up to an orgasm; that mounting, increasing & intensely "into-it" feeling, which lasts several seconds at average in an actual orgasm but longer with cocaine and amphetamine; opiates on the other hand, heroin, fentanyl, etc., are that reinforcing feeling a split second after orgasm's intense effects, the release feeling that blends subtly out of the passion of the first effect and is therefore hard to distinguish out of context, that burst of relief that takes you out of 'caring about it' any more, and relaxes the body. This is the endorphin system being agonized, and it's less noticed because among the natural reinforcing processes of bodily function, exercise or post-orgasm, the 'rush' from endorphins is much shorter than the 'intense' into-it feeling which dopamine naturally occurs as.

So it's harder to consciously reflect onto the endorphin feeling and have as much experience with how much better it makes you feel naturally unless your body is severely strained, such as is the case with what uppers do to you... Once this is noticed about mu-receptor agonist narcotics like heroin though, it is much more addictive; because the drug feels so much more tranquilly wholesome and just "right", you don't feel disgusted with yourself as much as is commonly felt like during a coke or meth crash. There isn't as much negative reinforcement away from use from the side-effects; in fact the only negative side effect is, after habituation of opiates, from not having any more. You can sustain opiates as long as you have them: whereas uppers always eventually tear you down (never heard of a nonsleeping meth run over a month in length). Your body is stressed and on a non-euphoric overdrive. Thus why opiates are more longer term in getting addicted to, and a longer term addiction that holds you, in the long run.
 
Yea I think I just posted this somewhere else actually, but endless crackheads have become hooked on dope using it to comedown.

Yeah crackheads and in this case methamphetamine users in Denver. That was done intentionaly to create a market among a group that was not into dope, as many speed freaks, hardcore ones, tend to view heroin as a lesser drug for some idiotic reason, one guy said to me " why go 9 mph,, when you can go 90mph?" and I was thinking ok, do some more speed dude, lol..more dope for me..These hardcore tweekers will take benzo's and opiate pain meds, but many it seems that I have met look down on heroin and heroin users, even if they shoot up speed! weird, but they like there crank,Ice so ,lol,,tweek on to them I say, and I'll gladly do your share of the heroin..lol.
 
I know a lot more functional heroin addicts than functional meth addicts. Meth seems a lot worse to me, probably because of the compulsion to redose.
 
aww, its probably too late now, but heroin's no fuckin' sideshow....especially for your first time...

it deserves a stage for itself. three stages, in fact. a whole fuckin' hall with surround sound and massage chairs.
 
I AGREE with sex panther.....Its no sideshow or by any means a recreational type of drug...
I am a 20+ year heroin (opiate) addict and I feel compelled to give you my advise coming from personal experience ....though I have not done meth since it became this "cleaner form" "ICE"...whatever crap they call it...( yeah I have tried it from time to time but its just a waste)..I was way into meth in the late 80's ~mid 90's when it actually made you cough & feel like liquid was coming out of your ears & private areas...when you broke it down in a spoon with 30 units of water & it would come back to 50 or even 60 units...anyways....I had been up for quite a few days and a friend had some H & I said I wanted to do some so they gave me like between a nickle & a dime (pretty much the "rinse")... I was catapulted into an amazing place where the warmth of the rush just enveloped me starting from my heart out through my limbs.....and I felt like I was "home"....( a few years later I found out my mother was addicted to heroin when she was prg with me and I had been detoxd in the hospital with phenobarbital and paregoric) .....so anyways ...I know that for me I hated that long emotional comedown from meth & the instant perfect feeling of comfort I had gotten from the shot of heroin was the PERFECT answer to that yukky place we can go.......So of course that became an everyday thing & hence I became addicted ....but it was bound to happen...it in my genes...sooo anyways...My advice to you is YES its a quick fix to come down...but its also dangerous...I DO NOT recommend you do it by yourself & please do not for one minute think you need more than a rinse...(less than a nickle of course depending on the strength of the H hopefully you are talking about tar I do not know much about the white powder heroin that comes from the east coast...I did not like it when I tried it...no rush compared to Tar) ......I hope you heed to the advice given here and I admire your fear...enough to ask for advice....so take it & good luck.
 
Tar is getting more pure and china less pure, I've done both and quality is quality from either type and crap is crap from either type (I mean, it's the same drug for heaven's sake)
 
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