First time Hawiian Baby Woodrose seeds. Advice?

[The HiVe MiND]

Hi there.
I haven't touched any intoxicating/mind-altering substance for the past 8 years (I'd previously tried almost everything, up to & including DMT)... except for the occasional caffeine or chocolate hit 8)
Lately I've been feeling emotionally, psychologically and generally stuck... something's unbalanced in my psyche, nothing major, but I really want to find out what it is, or at least experience being 'unhinged' momentarily, to hopefully get some insight, inspiration, introspection or purging.
I've decided a VISION QUEST is in order. I've got 10 Hawiian Baby Woodrose seeds. This is strictly going to be a therapeutic experiment.
The plan is to go bush, not TOO far off track, just somewhere immersed in natures calming beauty, far enough away from roads, shops and civilians.. but close enough for safety reasons. I'll have my mobile phone for emergencies, switched off. I'll fast most of the day before. I'll take water, an iPod touch with psychedelic ambient music and some sacred sanskrit mantra chants, a pen & paper, a few vegies, toilet roll, umm... etc..

I won't take 10 at once. Maybe I'll take 2 the week before to test the waters (so to speak), then take 8 on the occassion.
I'm aware that the outside layer of the seed contains a poison that usually makes people very ill, so I'll try my best to scrape it off using techniques described online.. but I'm still prepared and willing to go through a nausea stage.
My understanding of these kind of psychedelics is at some point they usually bring up horrible, confronting, depressing thoughts and ideas, based either on reality or illusion... followed by (or vice-versa) intense, positive, valuable insights and visions.
I see it as a kind of dual purge and cleanse of the psyche.

It WILL be my first time using this particular sacrament. The point of this post is to receive advice from anyone who's tried and somewhat understands them.
Please give feedback.
THANKYOU!

 

[slimvictor]

I would highly recommend a water extraction.
It took away all of the nausea and other stomach discomfort for me.
Very simple to do, and well worth it.

 

[IamMe90]

i don't think LSA extractions do very much for most people, though.

if you are one of the lucky ones who seem to be strongly affected by pure LSA alkaloids, then ya, you're lucky. for me it never did the trick and i'd only get a mild sedation with a hint of visuals. it wasnt til i just ate the seeds that i got a full blown trip, which was really quite unpleasant in a lot of ways but cool in a lot of others. i plan on repeating the experience again at some point when i have a better setting.

 

[Bagseed]

I would highly recommend a water extraction.
It took away all of the nausea and other stomach discomfort for me.
Very simple to do, and well worth it.

i'm curious about how you did this. just grind the seeds and let them soak in water? or are there more things to do with ths method?

 

[Rexeh]

HAWAIIAN BABY WOODROSE SEEDS
Family: Convolvulaceae

Genus: Argyreia

Species: nervosa

» Usage: Seed pods contain 4-6 seeds. Seeds are removed from pods and fungus-like coating is scraped or flamed off (author recommends scaping as much as possible and flaming the rest, as the coating can be thick and it's easy to end up turning the whole seed into a chunk of carbon if you just flame it). 4-8 seeds are chewed on an empty stomach (to minimize nausea). Seeds sold commercially are generally already removed from the pods. The seeds themselves resemble small chocolate chips, but are hard as rocks and have the coating mentioned above. Nausea can be lessened by ingesting one or two Dramamine 30 minutes to one hour before ingesting the HBWR seeds. More Dramamine can be taken after the nausea sets in, however, Dramamine can be a DANGEROUS drug in high doses and its synergistic effects with LSA are unknown. Exceeding the recommended dosage given on the Dramamine box is probably a pretty stupid thing to do under any circumstances.If Dramamine is not used, inducing vomiting when nausea starts will provide relief but effects will continue. You can also grind and soak the seeds in water, then strain them out and drink the water. If ground seeds are used, make sure they are fresh ground.

» Effects: LSD-like effects, but less intense, with less visuals. Trip lasts 6-8 hours; tranquil feelings may last additional 12 hours. Sleep is deep and refreshing after the trip, however some users may experience a hangover characterized by blurred vision, vertigo, and physical intertia.

» History: Used by the poorer Hawaiians for a high. Shipping of these seeds became popular, as did a great controversy over the propriety of world-wide distribution.

» Interaction precautions: same as for Morning Glory seeds.

» Active constituents: D-lysergic Acid Amide and related compounds.

NOTE: net wisdom has it that extracting LSA from Hawaiian Baby Woodrose
/ Morning Glory seeds is an inefficient way to obtain a precursor for LSD.

Start with peeling off the coatings of 3 or 4 seeds and hold them in your mouth and try tripping in a natural environment as my first trip I found laying on the grass looking up to the clouds a great experience.

-- Peace o/

 

[dg420]

chew the whole seeds, but dont swollow the juice or pulp, for 15-20 min

simplest effective extraction imo

 

[basement_shaman]

I've had a neutral, two mediocre, two good and one awesome trip on HWBR seeds. These are my observations:

-> Scraping off the seed husk only helps if you believe it does. Seemingly, scraping it off only reduces nausea if you have seeds that have been coated in something to prevent you from eating them, which is only done by vendors who sell them for gardening purposes and even then only rarely. If you bought the seeds from an entheogen supplier then it should be no problem.

-> Extractions may help with nausea if your stomach reacts to the seed material and not the alkaloids themselves, but I find that the alkaloids and not the seed material makes me sick. Or at least, whatever is making me sick is being extracted as well. I also find that I lose about 40% potency with cold water extractions.

-> Embrace for a bumpy come up. Have some cannabis for the nausea, or at least dramamine or fresh ginger. I have puked at least once on every single trip, even the best ones.

->With seeds of the Madagascar strain, 3½ is a mildly euphoric, mildly visual deeply entheogenic emotional experience. With 5-7 seeds it becomes a lot more visual and more nauseating. With 12 seeds there are full-blown mushroom-style visuals with open-eyed geometric fractals and a whole lot of vomiting as well as epic spiritual journeys.

-> As for the ingestion method, I recommend finely chopping/grinding the seeds, then downing them with water. Threshold effects after an hour, peak after four hours, comedown starts after 7-8. With 5+ seeds I still have minor visuals the same day, but not much of a psychedelic headspace.

Have fun! :D

 

[Mercc96]

see i just run a lighter under each seed like for half a second, remove the husks and either just chew them as they are, or grind them up in a coffee filter and eat them in youghurt. These are the madagascan strains and yeah 10+ beans will get you out there. I have never thrown up from them though, but maybe because im a pretty big guy.

 

[joeyjoejoeshabadoo]

1)grind the seeds
2)soak them in acidic water for at least 24 hours, shaking occassionaly
3)after at least 24 hours grind up a garlic nugget and put that into the water
4)after about an hour, shaking occassionaly, filter and mix with orange juice (i prefer fresh squeezed juice or all natural OJ)

*the multiple sulfur compounds in the garlic will inactivate/protect you from the nauseating cyanide in the seeds. ive posted a thread on here experimenting with seeds and garlic. it tastes pretty alright too. dont be fooled by the combination of ingredients

edit: and i dont mean the whole garlic, just one of the nuggets .

 

[joeyjoejoeshabadoo]

haha i just thought of something after reading some more of the above posts.
what if you put sandpaper around the blades of a blender, threw the seeds in there and put it on low speed. would that remove the husks?

 

[Survived Abortion]

I've used both Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds and Morning Glory for LSA trips. While I've only used HBWR once, I've used Morning Glory many times, and it is essentially the same active compound. I'll detail my experiences with this marvellous entheogen here:

Hawaiian Baby Woodrose: I've only used it once, sublingually (I think). 4 seeds chewed and held in the mouth for a half-hour produced only the tiniest threshold alert. I believe that the seeds may have been mostly inert, since my friend chewed and swallowed, and she only got minor but noticeable effects from them.

Morning Glory: I've used these seeds many times for LSA experiences. (Usually the Heavenly Blue variety, but occasionally mixed with Flying Saucers or Pearly Gates.) I have always just chewed the seeds raw, and then swallowed with orange juice. My usual dose is in excess of 200 seeds, so I chew about 60 at a time until I've reached the desired dose. I'll start coming up within about 30-45 minutes, and this is characterized by a suddenly noticeable 'softening' of the environment, and a slightly dreamy headspace. (Noticeably different from the characteristic lucidity and 'sharpening' of the environment on LSD.) This is where I start to notice something resembling nausea. At about an hour and a half I am coming into the plateau. If I'm going to throw up, it'll be around about now, though it's not something that bothers me. On the contrary, the purge feels very refreshing and liberating, something like a good cry. I'll point out that out of countless trips, this is something that has only effected me once or twice. The exact same seeds, purchased from the same place were used every time. Music and sound is wonderful, very soft and synaesthetic with everything else. I usually lose track of time at this point, so I've never really timed my trips with accuracy, however I can say that trips will last from day in to night, and vise versa. Enjoyed in nature, visuals can be spectacular. Natural fractals are noticed everywhere, whilst everything has a soft and friendly vibe to it. There is a warm, comforting overtone to everything. The colour scheme is very reminiscent of LSD, perhaps a bit more intense or 'in your face'. There is a euphoria here that I can't place my finger on, something I don't get from other psychedelics, and it puts a real happy and content tone on the nature of the trip. The internal landscape reflects the external; very dreamy. Laying down with eyes-closed I can lose myself for hours in almost delerious nirvana, like being washed away benevolently unto the gentle current of cosmic symphony. CEVs are strong, synaesthetic with a velveteen body-high. The comedown is almost unnoticeable, landing you back to the garden of eden like a feather in a hawaiian summers-breeze. The afterglow last for several days for me, and is one of the strongest and most euphoric afterglows I ever experience from anything. Colours remain saturated, and a warm glow of love for remains in the heart. The appreciation of nature in the following days seems unrivalled in it's relaxed bliss.

Overall the experience is beautiful and soothing, but also profound and intense. In relation to LSD, it has a clear ergoline feel like it's synthetic sister, with a very similar colour scheme and open-hearted laughter. Very jovial and childlike. LSD is a crystal-clear lucid psychedelic; awake and spontaneous. LSA is bouncy and flightful, full of the liminal flavours that root you back to Gaia and allow you to roam amongst the wisdom of the trees.

 

[spf]

I have used baby woodrose seeds dozens of times anywhere from 5-15 seeds. Ihave done cwe's but find simply chewing the seeds most effective but also most nausea inducing, but there are a few ways around this.

1.Ginger - make a smoothie with lots of crushed ginger root or a ginger tea with fresh root.

2.Travel sickness tablets - any otc travel sickness tablets should subside nausea

3.hbwr seeds - Yes, the actual seeds can get rid of your nausea! chew just one seed the day before you trip and on the day of your trip you shouldn't experience any nausea.

all these moethods have worked for me to some degree but saying that i have at times just chewed the seeds and had no nausea. it depends on the person and possibly your diet at the time.

One last piece of advice, I find cannabis absolutely essential for any lsa trip, 1 spliff about 2 hours int the trip really kickstarts it, especially the visual aspect.

Happy Trippin

 

[shady4091]

I love LSA and even though I've only done it a few times, it's been amazing every time. The first time, I ate eight HBW seeds. I just chewed them up and held them in my mouth for 20 minutes or so before swallowing. I started to feel it in about half hour, and the come up was plagued with nausea. I started thinking i was in for a shitty experience, but as soon as I peaked; about an hour later, the nausea was gone. The visuals were very similar to the kind of stuff I've seen on LSD, but the head trip is significantly less. The body high is also quite a bit different than LSD and I found it to be much more pleasant feeling physically. Overall the trip is easier to handle than LSD in my opinion.

One thing I noticed was LSA doesn't seem to amplify sound the same way that LSD does. This was slightly disappointing because the synesthesia brought on by listening to music on LSD is one of my favorite aspects of the drug.

Overall not as good as LSD (obviously) but a very good time, and definitely worth it. Enjoy.

 

[basement_shaman]

One thing I noticed was LSA doesn't seem to amplify sound the same way that LSD does. This was slightly disappointing because the synesthesia brought on by listening to music on LSD is one of my favorite aspects of the drug.

While I have never tried LSD and thus can't compare the two, I have always found LSA to enhance the bit of music->color synesthesia that I have always had by a large margin. Sounds become enthralling, and my CEVs depend heavily on what I am listening to

 

[The_Lawlz]

The day before, and the day of, drink lots of water and do some light runner's/soccer warm up stretch before (and possibly during, cause it feels good anyways) the trip especially since you want to be walking a moving in the forest. LSA can be a drug that causes lots of vasoconstriction, more so than LSD. My legs have been sore and very cold even the days after the trip trip (plus my back got kinda messed up :S). I'd bring some gloves for your hands too just in case.

I would also make a Ginger or Peppermint tea and extract the seeds into that because it can help combat the nausea/gas/diarrhea that LSA is infamous for. I've had trips where the only thing I could do was sit on the couch clutching my stomach wishing I could crap/puke (but of course as soon as you get to the toilet neither will happen) while tripping absolute nuts. I know you said you want the nausea, but explosive crap comes with that IME and seeing as how you are gonna be outside "away from civilization," I would say that that is probably not really what you want. Those trips are... less than desirable (however when you finally do puke, it feels amazing, like you've just been purged; just crapping not so much haha). I guess you could just not eat much the day of so there's nothing in your system to poop out, but I would suggest a heavy carb dinner the night before then so you'll have enough energy out tripping around (whole wheat spaghetti perhaps?)

Expect a ~1 hour come up time and for it to last 6-8 hours after that. Coming up is very similar to LSD for me. I get a tingling feeling (but where acid feels like "electricity," LSA feels like a "cold electric" energy) that usually starts in my legs first and then my hands and arms. Then the trip will probably be jam packed with visuals like fractals and "dimensions" (especially if you are in the outside look at the trees branches, everyone I know has seen crazy things when looking at all the leafless branches. They seem to mesh together above you into a spider web of other realities.) which you won't be able to stop laughing at for a good while. Then the "meh" side of the trip will rear it's head, but I'll let you discover what that's like without many preconceived notions

Overall it is a very "natural" kind of trip, a very much un-refined LSD. I think you'll enjoy it.

PS- Don't use tap water to wash or extract the seeds if you can, it supposedly damages the LSA so go get a gallon of distilled water (like $3) and use that. And if you make a tea, just use 10 seeds, 2 seeds earlier in the week won't give you anything but probably some gas and an "ugh" feeling.

 

[Shambles]

I've never experienced nausea (or any uncomfortable degree of vasoconstriction for that matter) with HBWR even at high (25+ seeds) doses. I HBWR.

I would recommend scraping (or maybe burning) the fuzzy crap off the outside then chew the seeds for as long as you possibly can. Half an hour or so if you can. They really don't taste bad at all - just kinda woody and slightly spicy. I tend to swallow the gunk afterwards as I never get nauseous on them but you can spit it out if you prefer as most (if not all) of the Goodies will be in your system by then. The key is to chew for as long as possible.

I would characterise the trip itself as being euphoric, colourful and focussed on past experience. I always get kinda nostalgic on HBWR and tend to be reminded of previous times of my life. This is generally a very positive thing even if the actual time recalled was less than positive. Music also sounds great on them.

Enjoy

 

[Survived Abortion]

Shambles, how many HBWR seeds do you personally take to get a good sublingual dose? You make it sound like a desirable way to take LSA if you're not up for a purge.

 

[Shambles]

I've never tried it sublingually as such - just chew the seeds and hold the gunk in me mouth for a long time. But I assume that would be pretty similar to standard sublingual dosing just due to the length of time it spends in contact with the area. For me I'd say around 5-8 seeds for a low-moderate trip. More for a stronger experience. Have gone way higher but tend to stagger my doses when doing very large amounts - no more than 15 at once, generally. That would definitely be at the stronger end of the spectrum for most. Quality/potency of seeds can be kinda variable though so best to start with a lowish test dose from any given batch to get a feel for them

 

[Survived Abortion]

Hmm, I might give this a try again then. Maybe 4 seeds wasn't enough for me. Morning Glories work like a charm every time, but I wouldn't mind trying something easier to stomach on occasion. Cheers.

On a side note, I'd like to point out something that occured to me. If simply chewing and swallowing HBWR brings about the same degree nausea/vomiting as chewing and swallowing MG, it would be reasonable to assume that the primary causative agent is the LSA itself (since there is far less seed-mass involved with the HBWR than MG). If that is the case, then doing an extraction would be almost pointless, aside from eliminating the need to swallow the seed husks.

 

[Xochiquetzal]

Tripped on homemade tincture of morning glory seeds that a friend/sitter had made for me (don't know the potency/dose) some years ago. Most intense trip I ever had! And I had trips on mushrooms and lsd too. Was way way out of my body, sense of self, galaxy... None of my formerly known self or life present. 5-6 hours I was totally gone. Felt like I was finally home. When I was back gradually entering my body again it felt like I was starting from scratch on all levels, like a newborn.

For me it was a very therapeutic experience and I feel that its a substance that can offer a lot if done in the right mind-space. I wouldn't do it if I wasn't in a fairly good head/heart space. I'd find it too much of a struggle to let go of emotional/mental 'baggage'.

I remember it was a good struggle to let go of all the shit I was carrying during the first hour. Throwing up helped immensely! And then I flew