Opioids First time Fentanyl patch; but unsure of my own tolerance

[Sandbag]

Ahoy there Other Drugs crew! Apparently I haven't posted on BL in just over a year. ;_;

I guess grew much less talkative after more or less kicking meth back in early '08; but still check in every so often. Today I find myself with a 75mcg/hr over 72hr (75mg total) transdermal patch. I've never had a fent patch before and have been trying to figure out what a solid safe dose would be, and by what method it should be taken.

Unfortunately I'm having a helluva hard time trying to figure out what or where I should rate my opiate/opioid tolerance. My opioid use isn't on any schedule or routine and just kinda comes in waves haphazardly and the little waves of use arrive at irregular time intervals. I do feel, that compared to the majority of people I've used with, I have a somewhat greater tolerance to most opiates.

The past couple weeks have been one of irregular waves of opiates though. Went through about 95mg of morphine sulphate over a couple days sometime a couple weeks back; About eight or so 5-325 Percs, and 12mg of Dilauded.

I addition to that tally, the last 24hrs for me have been was 60mg of temazepam, 30mg oxycodone, about 16mg of insufflated hydromorphone (Dilaudid).

So I'm sittin here wondering if any of you more opiate savy/experienced BLers have any good ideas, or at least reasonable dosing ideas to just catch a nice (20mg of oxy-ish) buzz to get along for a pleasant evening around 10hrs or so from now.


TL;DR: As a rough estimate tolerance baseline, I'd aim for eating 35mg or so of oxycodone or IVing 8mg of hydromorphone to have a chill evening with friends, smoke a bowl and have a couple beers. What should I do with this 75mcg/hr (total 75mg) transdermal Fentanyl patch to achieve a somewhat similar result?


Many thanks in advance for the input all.

 

[monstanoodle]

I have no experience with Fentanyl, but I just want to tell you to be fucking careful!
The 75µg/hr patch is the 4th strongest out of 5 (there's 12.5, 25, 50, 74 & 100µg/hr).
Being such I would probably recommend cutting it into smaller patches, probably into 1/4's.
This way you'd be able to judge your tolerance more aptly and you can take it off / put it on again as needed.

But please do wait for other replies as, like I said, I've no experience with these lovely-jubly things

One question though - Is it a gel patch or one of the plastic matrix ones?
There's more than one way to use the gel ones such as smoking the gel on foil as you would with Heroin (but being fucking careful!) and using it transbuccally (between cheek and gum - yet again being fucking careful!).
The matrix ones can only really be used transdermally as far as I'm aware.

Anyway, I hope this was of some help but please wait for other replies

p.s. Be fucking careful! lol We don't want anything bad to happen

 

[Sandbag]

Well, someone at the who had gotten one from the same person quite a while back was at was talking about it having gel in it; but that individual is also known to snort Percocet...so....yeah. I'm leaning towards the print on the packaging as a better means of determining the composition of the patch:

Inactive Ingredients: Hydroxyethyl cellulose, ethylene vinyl acetate copolymer, silicone adhesive between backings.

I'm honestly just guessing; but to me, "ethylene vinyl acetate copolymer" sound like plastic matrix territory. Anyone who's got some experience with Fentanyl care to chime in?

 

[morphonorconic]

That sounds like the plastic matrix to me too, though I'm not positive. I've only seen the gel type, but I do know based on the number of Fentanyl related posts I've seen that Mylan seems to be the largest (if not the only) producer of the polymer-matrix style patch, while the brand name Duragesic is definitely the gel type. If you squeeze it around gently and cannot see/feel the gel inside, it is most likely of the plastic formulation.

If you're still in question, just look up the manufacturer and see.

Definitely be cautious when using this stuff, considering your tolerance is relatively low. I'd say either just put it on and take it off as desired, or cut it into small fractions and titrate slowly, piece by piece.

 

[monstanoodle]

Yep definitely a matrix (polymers can be used for plastics).

 

[nchz]

i thought they took gel patches off the market? even durasegic

 

[sleepwalker]

That sounds like the plastic matrix to me too, though I'm not positive. I've only seen the gel type, but I do know based on the number of Fentanyl related posts I've seen that Mylan seems to be the largest (if not the only) producer of the polymer-matrix style patch, while the brand name Duragesic is definitely the gel type. If you squeeze it around gently and cannot see/feel the gel inside, it is most likely of the plastic formulation.

If you're still in question, just look up the manufacturer and see.

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it's the other way around, the Duragesics are on a hard plastic cover and have no gel in them anymore.
I only know the 25 microgram patches, and i used to cut those into quarters.
Take the piece of patch and dry the inside of your upper lip.
Tape it on there and keep it there for 20 minutes.
Then REMOVE the patch.
Wait for half an hour to see if the effects kick in.
If not repeat the sequence.
Eventually you feel the effect and can decide for how long you keep a patch on you.
DO NOT GO TO SLEEP WITH THE PATCH UNDER YOUR LIP!!!

Remember they deliver their fent very slowly and moving the patch around in your mouth will speed up the effect.
But do not swallow your saliva
One piece can be use for some days, so at the end of my patches, i had to taper down and expierienced Heroin like w/d.

Seeing yours are the 75 micrograms, i say cut them in at least 8 pieces.
Be carefull, and if it's a gel patch. PLEASE DO NOT FOLLOW MY ADVICE!!!

 

[Sandbag]

Thanks much for the info guys. Not about to open up the packaging; but squeezing/rolling the patch under my finger & thumb seems to confirm the hunch that this isn't one of the gel patches. Mfg is Watson if that has a bearing on anything.

mah Mallinckrodt and Watson.

I want to start with a tiny portion (1/32 perhaps) of the patch tomorrow; hopefully. I'm very curious about the shelf-life of the patch once the packaging has been opened. Wouldn't want it to lose potency/stability if I'm totally content with tiny fragments of the patch and it lasts days after being unwrapped.

 

[Defiance00]

sorry to bust in but could someone tell me why fentanyl is considered such a strong substance. the one time i tried it i was so scared and doing such little amounts while smoking/injecting with i think isopropyl alcohol i can't remember exactly what i used but it was recommended by this site. Eventually after getting frustrated so much by doing more and more i took the last fourth of the gel left and smoke it all at once finally achieving a decent, but not strong, buzz off of it. This was the strongest of the patches being 100 mcg/hr straight from the box and i'm not a person with a super-high tolerance. When i do pills my average dose is injecting two 80s maybe twice a day, but i can only do this for three to five days of a 14 days period as i support my habit with a job and go broke... quickly lol.

I dunno just everything i read on the internet about this drug just seems extremely over hyped as vaporizing a fourth of that patch from what i've read just seems like a ludicrous idea to most but i didn't even find it as strong as doing 160 mg OC. I have to say though the buzz when i finally got it was extremely clean and pretty nice and indeed was about half the price of an OC hit just wasn't near the strength i was expecting.

****Warning**** This is completely my personal experience and have only messed with fentanyl a handful of times.

 

[sleepwalker]

sorry to bust in but could someone tell me why fentanyl is considered such a strong substance. .

Well, i worked and experimented with Sufentanyl, Rapifen and fentanyl , with
Sufenta being approximately 5 to 10 times more potent than its analog, Fentanyl,and Fentanyl is approximately 100 times more potent than morpine.
and the fact is simple:
1 tiny dose to much may cause you to stop breathing.
And if you stop breathing, you will die...
Given the possibility to cut the hard covered patches and the possibility of dosing by keeping the patch as long between your gums as you find pleasurable, you are right.
When dosed carefully there will be less of a risk.
With the gel the dosage is such a risky thing, for one puff can be too much.
Same with iv-ing, leave that to the anaesthesiologists, please.

 

[morphonorconic]

it's the other way around, the Duragesics are on a hard plastic cover and have no gel in them anymore.
I only know the 25 microgram patches, and i used to cut those into quarters.
Take the piece of patch and dry the inside of your upper lip.
Tape it on there and keep it there for 20 minutes.
Then REMOVE the patch.
Wait for half an hour to see if the effects kick in.
If not repeat the sequence.
Eventually you feel the effect and can decide for how long you keep a patch on you.
DO NOT GO TO SLEEP WITH THE PATCH UNDER YOUR LIP!!!

Remember they deliver their fent very slowly and moving the patch around in your mouth will speed up the effect.
But do not swallow your saliva
One piece can be use for some days, so at the end of my patches, i had to taper down and expierienced Heroin like w/d.

Seeing yours are the 75 micrograms, i say cut them in at least 8 pieces.
Be carefull, and if it's a gel patch. PLEASE DO NOT FOLLOW MY ADVICE!!!

Really? I was almost positive it was the Duragesics that had the gel, and were subsequently the most sought after of the Fent patches. It may very well have changed though, as it's been about two years since I've seen a patch of any kind. Perhaps they are all plastic matrix style at this point?

 

[Sandbag]

Nope, this one is a gel patch; which I discovered upon opening the foil packaging. Just had a BB-sized drop on the inside of my lower lip and we'll see how that goes. Hoping the 10mg diazepam & 15mg oxycodone don't affect or generally mess with my first fentanyl analysis. Thanks for the pointers guys. ~_~

 

[Sandbag]

Several sublingal doses in and going to freebase a bit shortly here. Excellent experience so far...took another 10mg of diazepam a couple hours ago and havin' a nice cold lager atm. Steller first time Fentanyl experience. My eyes are definitely: =_=