Opioids First Time Doing Oxy Questions

[Zodiack]

So this is my first post on BL after weeks of reading other posts so if I am doing anything wrong please tell me. Anyway, I know this question has been asked many times but I am not sure how to go about my first time taking Oxycodone. I have been a codeine junkie for a while now and take an average of 600mg everytime I get my hands on it which is quite often (4 days a week usually). But I have purposely took a week and a half break since to try and reduce my opiate tolerance which I hope doesn't matter too much anyway considering how Oxy is far more potent.

But my question is what is a good starting dose and should I swallow, snort or chew. Most people recommend around 15-20mg and I am leaning towards swallowing at the minute because I want the effects to last as long as possible. So please share your opinions and maybe what you did for your first time or what you would do differently. Thanks

 

[traybuck]

Imo i think you should just swallow them..there much stronger then codeine and i dont think your gonna have any trouble feeling even 15...you can always add but you cant take away. .start small and go up if need be.

 

[cook]

Hi and welcome to BL.

15-20 is good and I would chew and swallow it. Its the best way unless you are into the rush, and want it to hit stronger. Its just matter of personal preference. Enjoy the longer effects as long as you can and swallow. I did snort it initially and it was stupid, should have just swallowed. Smoother that way.

 

[ladianios]

I remember when I first started I would snort about 15mgs and then another 15 about 8 hours later and be juiced all day then sleep like a baby, now it's about 60-75 mgs just to get outta bed and another 180-200 mgs to make it to the next morning...be careful with oxy, tolerance rises real quick and the high fades rather quickly ....I know I don't get the rush anymore! Not ever! Like others said though swallow it to get the most out of it, I always preferred snorting but that is just me, it is actually quite wasteful but I like the fast hard hit it gives.

 

[adillonm15]

i say get away from opiates now while you're only a codeine junkie and before you become and oxy junkie and full blown heroin addict. I really wish i would have listened to people that told me the sam

just swallow them, 15-20 mg should be fine.

 

[Zodiack]

Thanks for the replies and warning, I doubt i'll become an oxy junkie anytime soon due to my limited supply. But I have been eager to try oxy for a while now and im ready to take the risk. So I have decided to swallow 20mg and hopefully it should be a good time

 

[adillonm15]

I guess so. Hydrocodone introduced me to opiates, and Oxy is when i absolutely fell in love with and became addicted to the feeling. Heroin is when my life spun out of control.

I do remember with oxy as well (which i never used daily for more than 5 or so days) that I would still feel great the day after. Not the case with heroin...i felt like complete shit and wanted more heroin, so it was more addictive for me in the aspect.

 

[AgonyAndEcstasy781]

Meh oxycodone has a nice, clean, uplifting feeling to it but nothing beats a good dose of east coast powder heroin. The quality of the high, its intensity and the way it hits you are superior with fire dope. Its a warmer, noddier, and more sedating high, especially black tar. True it's more dangerous and unreliable, and the fact that it's so good means its also more addictive. For the price, heroin puts oxycodone to shame, as long as you live near a decent sized city.

 

[beforethebeginning]

I will tell you my Oxycontin experience,
i have used it for a year with no prior experience with opiates.

the first time i used it, it already got stuck in my head.
not like i had an uncontrollable urge or that i felt real bad without it, but its like i fucked or masturbated for the first time,
and wanted to repeat the experience asap.

i've done oxy 2 or 3 times a week for a year, and towards the end of that year it was 4 or 5 days of use,
followed by 3 day breaks....

I only managed to stay clean for 1,5month because i was on a holiday to a nice place.
as soon as i got back to my boring life, i was back on the oxy.

the reason oxycontin is so addictive, is not necessarily because it feels super good.
it feels good, i will admit.

but i think it tells the body/brain that it feels better than it does.
and your subconscious mind will fantasize about it automatically.

your brain will also be juiced from its ability to create its own feel good chemicals,
even if you dont use it "that" often; as i have done.

so during your "off days" u will feel bad and sort of depressed, Always wishing u could take it.
muscles hurting, tired, etc.

~~~~~

fastforward to now: i have quit using oxy 6 days ago because i found out it made my heart beat more ireggularly than i want it to beat.
its probably fine, but i dont want to take the risk. apparently oxycontin is not good to use if u have arrhythmia, or so i have let other people make me believe.

i feel like i'm becoming more energetic again,
and my depression has disapeared as well (but this is probably due to me believing in "god" more(in a spiritual way, not religious). Everyone believes in something to feel happy.

~~~~~~~~

if i wouldn't have been worried about my health, i would probably still be taking oxycodone right now,
as i was totally into the "I love opiates mindset" .

if you dont think its going to fuck up your life,
and if you dont think its dangerous... its hard to stop using oxycodone,
because its like a little demon that creeps into your head.

"its not that bad, its safe to continue taking etc"
but in fact, i think it makes people feel depressed, and think they need it to feel good.

and thats why its so addictive.

 

[beforethebeginning]

Oxycodone orally just isn't as awesome as smoking heroin on foil...the quick onset and rush, and being able to spread out your high (taking little puffs through out the night) is what makes heroin so awesome IMO.

i can see the glamour in heroin for sure,
but on opiates i feel like i can't truely be myself... being helt back by that haziness,
i can be a better person sober. and then when ur sober but u actually wanna be high,
that just feels bad!


also, heroin is cut with whatever,
and i'm not sure if its healthy to smoke that shit.

oxy seems safer.

 

[miscbrahh]

1.5 years ago i started dabbling in opiates with 0 tolerance, didn't even know about cwe'ing codeine

it didn't totally ruin my life or anything like that, but it's been a month since using oxy / hydromorphone and the post-use (paws) symptoms are definitely there. i'm afraid that one day i'll just be like "f it" and decide to go find some

heroin never appealed to me, it could be cut with anything... especially since a bunch of people od'd from heroin faced with fentanyl in my area. with oxy / hydromorphs you know what you're getting. actually now there's even fake oxy's going around, so hydromorphs are the best bet...

 

[pill_billy]

Meh oxycodone has a nice, clean, uplifting feeling to it but nothing beats a good dose of east coast powder heroin. The quality of the high, its intensity and the way it hits you are superior with fire dope. Its a warmer, noddier, and more sedating high, especially black tar. True it's more dangerous and unreliable, and the fact that it's so good means its also more addictive. For the price, heroin puts oxycodone to shame, as long as you live near a decent sized city.

word on that.... i was spending 300 a day of perc 30s and could still have done more, 300 worth of dope will keep me high as fuck for days

 

[Johno88]

I've been taking 2mg of sub a day for the last 3 months. I use it mainly for back pain management as doctors don't like to prescribe me opiates as I have battled a heroin addiction for over 15 years. I've just been prescribed some oxycodone as I have gallstones and scheduled to have it removed soon. I've never had oxycodone before. How much will I need to take to get over my subutex tolerance and give me pain relief?Will it hold me like my subutex does? I take my subutex sublingually and will stop taking the day before I start the oxycodone.
Thanks for any advice that can be given. Johno

 

[Kid Amine]

Johno, you will probably need 2 full days to get the bupe (subutex) out of your system to feel the oxy. Ive done both oxycodone and heroin, and blown my tolerances to both. I dont think subutex will give you much of an opiate tolerance beyond its blocking ability. I have several bad teeth, which were hurting like a mofo earlier, so I went and got a bundle of decent dope. Did it all, then went to the dollar store and got some generic Oragel. I could have saved a ton of money if Id done that in reverse order. Id say take them the way they are prescribed (e.g, if you are told to take a 10mg pill every 4-6 hours as needed, dont exceed that), especially if there is a possibility of a refill/getting more. It's going to suck badly if you get a 2 week supply and blow them out in 4 days and have to deal with pain for 10 sans drugs.

As for OP's question, I do not know why there are so many replies (here and elsewhere) in the 5-10mg range. Unless one is very skinny and has no opiate tolerance, 5mg will barely be noticeable. You can always do more, and oxy does "stack" well, so there's that. 600mg codeine 4x/week is far from opiate naive. Isnt that like 75 triple 2s? (obviously with a CWE)

 

[Johno88]

Thanks for the advice. I've got quite a lot of 5mg oxycodone and can get more if need be. I've just never had them before so was wondering how many I need to take to hold me and how many I need to take to get pain relief. I nice little euphoric feeling would be great right now. To be honest I've been close to scoring some smack a few times just for pain relief but I've stayed strong. I know smack would easily get over the 2mg of subutex I'm taking. But how much oxycodone will? My doctor doesn't know I take subutex so I can't rely on his dosage directions.

 

[AgonyAndEcstasy781]

If you are taking the oxy orally it probably won't do much of anything with 2 mg sub in your system, you'll have yo wait a couple days for sure. You might get a tad of pain relief but no euphoria unless you take a massive dose or IV it, both of which are really bad ideas.it'd be better to wait

 

[Screaming_Skull]

Ughh, I wouldn't say smoking oxys is equal to smoking heroin... did it one time and it sucked, but maybe I did it wrong, but from what I've heard,ya it kicks in faster then only last like 45mins...no thank you. And I think the ceiling dose for Codiene is 400mg??? So if you are taking anymore than that in a day you are wasting 200mg, though I could be wrong. And with 2mg of Sub in your system, thats not a blocking dose at all, so you could feel it,it might be dulled or it might potentiate it, have heard different things from different people. For me I could still feel it, but 2mg under the tounge is only 500mcg of Bupe, which is what they give for pain not a blocking dose, so it would be very easy to feel it, especiallly if it's been 6-8 hours after you took it.

 

[Kid Amine]

2mg holds me, on that now, not fun but not craving shit and functional. I HATE subs for I gotta love that so little of something far cheaper gets me off this hellish merry go round. and "quite a lot of oxy" is an oxymoron, it will be gone before you know it. Dont IV it, not saying that for HR purposes, it's just no gain whatsoever on eating them on a light stomach. srsly. Ive gone as high as 4 roxy 30s, looked like shooting Windex, 3cc rig, still didnt feel great... probably would have enjoyed them more orally or snorting. Mind you that's the only opiate Id take by mouth over IV.

Trying to 'overtake' Suboxone is imho one of the most dangerous things one can do, especially at a lower dose, because you're likely to take some pills/H, not feel shit, get frustrated, and try more. and tho I admitted dont know enough about the pharmacokinetics of bupe, trying to bust thru its blocking effect seems completely pointless any way it ends, which as I see it is frustration or OD. It would be MUCH easier to gauge a decent oxy dose w/o that stuff in your system.

Matter of fact, just looked up 'is it possible to overdose on opiates..." and "while on suboxone" autofilled, and this thread on this forum came up:

http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/499561-Overdosing-on-Opiates-While-on-Suboxone

So, yeah, if you wanted to take 10 or 20mg as a start with bupe still in you, I think at most it would be a letdown, just dont go crazy and take a lot trying to get ANY buzz with subs in your system. Also, keep in mind you are safely limited to 12/day anyway due to the Tylenol in the 5mg percs (I assume you have those and not OC 5s or some other formulation, tho if you do, this may be n/a).

 

[Johno88]

Thanks for the advice and your thoughts on this matter. I know 0.1g of H can easily get over 2mg of sub, especially if I waited 24 hours. The H was 30% pure which I knew for a fact. I just don't know what oxycodone is like compared to heroin. From what I've read on this forum in other threads it's just as good. Some people even claim it's better. The oxycodone I have are 5mg endone that don't contain apap at all. So they're fine to take as many as I like in that regard. I plan on waiting 24-36 hours after my last dose of subutex before I start taking them.
Cheers. Johno

 

[rave_itsrealfun!!!]

I think all opioid users reach a point where they realize that the high isn't really worth it anymore...but like you said, even if you don't like the high that much anymore theres still that little voice calling in the distance. I think you could say the same with any addictive substance, because addictions are like compulsions where we feel a strong urge that we wan't to act upon.
Anyways, I have been chipping opiates for years now and finally reached that point where i'm not keeping meticulous track of my use. I take back what I said about the heroin being less addictive than oxy...I think once you get good heroin it's more addictive because you just want to smoke it all day like weed (not to mention its way cheaper than oxycodone).
But the oxy high is stronger in it's own kind of way, it can be more euphoric IME...while heroin is more like a sedated weed high + something extra. The only reason I have been smoking heroin instead of taking oxys is cause it's cheaper and seems to leave me with shorter lasting physical W/D symptoms. Oxycodone orally just isn't as awesome as smoking heroin on foil...the quick onset and rush, and being able to spread out your high (taking little puffs through out the night) is what makes heroin so awesome IMO.

I can relate to this. I cannot control heroin at all... it's just way more fun than oxycodone. I actually prefer the oxycodone experience though, it's weird... there's a difference between addictive tendency (that darn satanic voice that convinces you to take more) and what actually makes sense logically... nicotine being a prime example, I've never seen how that is fun or worth it but it's crazy addictive.

Heroin is awesome but I stick to a percocet a day for my chronic back pain. Oxycodone is way easier to control for me, I've never found it to be psychologically addictive like weed, dilaudid, or heroin have been for me. I really like it a lot, but in my years of use I've never felt that darn tempting voice calling out to me and drawing my attention to the location of the drug, that I've never had control over. I just always go with it - when I have weed, heroin, or hydromorphone I will use it all day every day until it's gone but it's not like that whatsoever with oxy. The rare treat that I allow for myself is good opium these days, which is also very tempting. By that I mean it's easy for me to take more than is required or reasonable to treat my chronic pain, and enough that will cause an increase in tolerance which is never fun.

Although spreading out the high is good in theory, it will cause tolerance and a decrease in positive effects. I find that I can only really get a good high once, and after that my brain needs a recoup, or I'll just get overly sedated if I try to stay up. If I use heroin for the first time of the day, it would be stimulating and euphoric. If I continue to take bumps or lines of it, then I will get overly sedated, no euphoria and it will ruin my day. Same went with weed, I quickly became a burnout back when I smoked that stuff.

If you're new to oxy then start with anywhere from 5mg to 15mg I'd say.