First time codeine dosage? (history of opiate use)

[Dopam1ne]

I'm going to be getting some codeine and I'm wondering what would be a good first time dosage?

I've previously used H once a week for a few weeks ten years ago, which wasn't enjoyable due to the nausea, then in the past year dabbled with oxycodone (OC), with oral doses of up to 40mg, as well as H (NEVER IV) which I last used about a month or 2 ago. I've also experienced moderate H wd once after chasing the dragon for 3 days in a row, approximately 6 months ago. Also used kratom a few days ago with no opiate-like effects.

I'm thinking of taking about 30-50mg of promethazine beforehand (got tolerance due to a recent cold) and taking 250-300mg of sugar-free codeine syrup which has no other active ingredients

What can I expect? I'm assuming it's not going to do too much as it's a weak opiate.

 

[teological]

Firstly, we know that it is you that is taking the drugs and not you pet unicorn. We don't phrase ourselves in that way here. Just simply admit that it is you lol.

Anyway, sorry for the pointless post, but I took four months off of using 100 - 200mg of morphine a day a while ago now. After the four months, I took 400mg dose of Codeine. Guess what happened..nothing.

In your case, you will not feel a high, sorry.

 

[Dopam1ne]

hmmmm is codeine really that weak? I mean according to a good opiate converter online 300mg is equivalent to around 30mg OC or 45 ish mg of morphine. 30mg of oxy should do the trick imo, so why not codeine?

 

[Rybee]

As teological has pointed out we doing use SWIM/other nonsense on BL, it's against the forum rules because it serves no purpose and is frustrating to read, please can you edit your post. I don't mean to sound nasty/harsh but it's clearly stated in the rules... which you should have read before posting!

As for your question, I don't think this is going to be easy to answer. Your opioid use has been sporadic and inconsistent so we're never going to give you a concrete answer. However, I can say that:

40mg Oxycodone seems equipotent to ~400mg Codeine

I've never taken Oxycodone so I'll wait for someone else who's taken both to comment further on the comparison.

However, I will say that I've taken 400mg+ Codeine and from 200mg+ will release a lost of histamine and makes me, and a lot of others, itch like fucking crazy. I usually take 20mg of Loratadine and 20mg Cetirizine about 30 minutes before the codeine to help stop the itching. There are better anti-histamines out there, but I'm from the UK and these two are both pretty effective and readily available. I wouldn't recommend taking +200mg Codeine without an antihistamine of some sort because it really will spoil the high.

Again, promethazine really isn't big in the UK like it is in the USA. I know it's used to potentiate but I can't comment on how well that will help with itches/nausea.

Hope that helps mate, give us a poke if you need any help. I'll wait for someone else to pick up on the few points that I couldn't expand on.

 

[Dopam1ne]

Edited my post as per the forum rules

 

[Rybee]

Thankyou

 

[Dopam1ne]

I'm from the UK too and prometh & oxycontin isn't popular either.
I've also heard codeine releases a lot of histamine too, although I'm not sure how much more than other opiates. It would be interesting to hear from peeps who have used other opiates, including codeine, to get their perspective on this. And I'd be quite surprised if 400mg wouldn't do much to me tbh.
Still amazes me how people automatically assume that because they reacted a particular way to a substance, or in the case of teological a lack of a reaction, that this applies to everyone.

 

[Rybee]

I'm from the UK too and prometh & oxycontin isn't popular either.
I've also heard codeine releases a lot of histamine too, although I'm not sure how much more than other opiates. It would be interesting to hear from peeps who have used other opiates, including codeine, to get their perspective on this. And I'd be quite surprised if 400mg wouldn't do much to me tbh.
Still amazes me how people automatically assume that because they reacted a particular way to a substance, or in the case of teological a lack of a reaction, that this applies to everyone.

Well I've taken Tramdol/MS Contin/Oramorph/Tramadol/Dihydrocodeine/Fentanyl and none of them have made me itch/nauseas in the slightest but Codeine does every single time.

Different drugs affect different people in different ways. Something so much as an empty stomach can make the world of difference. Some days Tramadol used to get me pretty high, other days in the same dose it did absolutely nothing, so you do have to be careful of your dose and keep yourself in check. I've never had a problem re-dosing with codeine so you could try ~200mg and re-dose 100mg every 30 minutes or so, just see how it goes, if you don't want to take 400mg in one.

 

[Dopam1ne]

Thx for the feedback Rybee, was the itching more pronounced than the nausea?

I'll def need a good dose of prometh to mitigate the itch/nausea an hour before by the sounds of it. I'm thinking around 250mg to start with, then I can always re-dose later.

 

[Rybee]

No worries - here to help!

Yes, much more pronounced than the nausea. I've never felt too nauseous with codeine, but other people have often reported it. It's the itching that really gets to me, I just come out very hot and red raw from itching after taking Codeine. If I don't take anti-histamines I often have to stop the trip and have a cold shower to help with the itching, really spoils the experience.

I wouldn't take more than 50mg of Prometh. I think 250mg with re-dosing is a good idea to start with

 

[bingey]

The promethazine will greatly add to the sedation , codeine is a very energetic (or used to be now it's crap) opiate for me so yes don't take too much of it unless you just want to drool on yourself for a couple hours.

 

[Cartesia]

be careful with people saying it wont do shit... Its effect severely depends on your liver enzymes and such, which vary from person to person. It's really hard to say, although it's likely it wont do much for you.

 

[Dopam1ne]

be careful with people saying it wont do shit... Its effect severely depends on your liver enzymes and such, which vary from person to person. It's really hard to say, although it's likely it wont do much for you.

My thoughts exactly

 

[teological]

Dopam1ne, that was my honest experience, and therefore just my thoughts. Sorry if I have let you down from the excitement, but it is the truth. The thing is, I am not one of those people that can not metabolise Codeine, because that was my very first ever recreational opiate, and I used to get euphoria and rushing to the point where I would literally say "ahhhhh" "ahhhh" softly, while on the comp.

Maybe I used up my enzymes lol? But I took a four month break from hard opiates, and took that 400mg dose, and nothing. No euphoria, just a feeling of being sort of sick and that opiate glow turned into this uncomfortable feeling of disgust and wanting it to end. Too much Codeine at once maybe? Doubt it, as I started taking my harder opiates not long after that and they worked like a charm at lower doses than the dose I used when I was using everyday.

Give us honest feedback on how it went...if it works, it might motivate me to try lower my tolerance again if you do indeed get high. Be honest though lol

 

[Dopam1ne]

No worries, and thanks for your feedback. I'll update this post once I get the codeine, which should be tomorrow and I'll let you guys know how it went. Should also be dong some H sometime after the codeine, so I'll do a comparison. My tolerance is somewhat low so it'll be interesting to compare.

 

[Dopam1ne]

Was worth testing imo

I kicked things off with 30mg of promethazine, then I took about 250mg of codeine and then topped it up by another 100mg's or so later on. I initially got that warm and distinctive opiate feeling, beginning with my legs, which felt heavy and numb and then spreading throughout my entire body. It was fun tbh, not strong though but it did cause me to nod-off for a few moments at some point while I was relaxing in bed. And after a while I did end up vomiting which is hardly a surprise as I get quite nauseous with opiates (probably a good thing as I only like doing opiates occasionally), plus the syrup isn't exactly agreeable to my codeine-laden stomach. I also didn't notice any difference in itchiness as compared to other opiates, perhaps it was the anti-histamine that did the trick.

Overall it was worth a try, I wasn't expecting much anyway so it was a pleasant surprise to get high from it.

A week or 2 later after my tolerance reset itself (kind of) I did some #3 H on foil which was nice, although it wasn't particularly strong, it got me to the point of vomiting after which I felt pretty chilled. The H high was clearly superior to codeine but not miles off.

I personally get much more euphoria from MDMA or Coke than opiates, but they're fun every once in a while. Haven't done anymore opiates for a good month now so the next session will be poppy pod tea Can't wait!

 

[TheLostBoys]

Does promethazine really make the combo with codeine/vicodin/etc really nice or does it just sedate you more?

I've had the cough syrup with codeine/promethazine & it was pretty chill.

 

[Dopam1ne]

Imo promethazine doesn't add much to the euphoria, it adds to the sedation making it easier for me to nod off, and I find it greatly helps with itching and nausea which improves the overall experience quite a bit, for me at least.
From what I've heard about syrup in the US is it has an insane promethazine/codeine ratio, so the effects will predominantly be from the prometh, so not something I'm curious to try tbh.

 

[Michael_25]

I've done H a few times and oxy a whole bunch of times. I take 30 mg of IR oxy to get high. However, just a few days ago I tried CWE'ing 40 tablets each containing 15mg codeine each. So that's a total of 600mg of codeine. I barely felt it... after trying H, and the strong euphoria it brings on, codeine just seems so lacklustre.