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First time cactus attempt, hows this sound ?

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lava

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Ok, I've decided to give some cactus a go. Now, I've spent the last couple of night doing a bit of research and I think I have my "plan of action" sorted. I just want to run it by a someone before I take the plunge.

I've found a place to get some Dried Peruvian Torch (Trichocereus Peruvianus) online, 20g bags. I plan on buying 5 of em, so that's 100g.

Boil up the said cactus chippings for a couple of hours then strain and reduce the remaining liquid down to a reasonably small quantity.

Take 50% of the "cactus tea", draw into a syringe (needle removed obviously, I think they are printer ink jet syringes I've got in the cupboard) and plug it.

Leave 2 hours to see how I'm doing then possibly re-dose with the rest.

That's the plan anyway, as it stands. I'm open to other methods etc. btw I'm about 100kg (16 stone-is) in weight.

Now I'm fairly experienced with psychedelics, done acid & mushrooms more times than I care to remember. Pills a plenty, coke, various research chemicals. Weed smoker for 20 years, having some time off from that at the moment though. Alcohol, lots and lots of alcohol, again having some time off from that as well (might make that one permanent, the shine has gone off it big time lately). Steered clear of the heroin & crack though - bit too dodgy for my tastes.

I'm looking for a fairly strong experience, nothing worse than undershooting, especially as I've no weed/booze (or anything else) as a backup if its not up to the job.

I've no problems with purging - from either end. I like a trip that's somewhere between having to fight to stay in control and total meltdown.

I don't want to be "too" out of it though as I'll be doing this alone. I could get my usual tripping buddy round but he'll bring booze and I don't want to be tempted at the moment and if he finds out I've plugged the stuff I'll never hear the end of it, also my mate doesn't work so I'll end up either having to buy his or give him half of mine. I'm plugging cos I don't want to have to go through the motions of eating foul dried plant matter, I have enough problems with the mushrooms.

I live on my own, no worries about being disturbed. Just want to kick back, listen to some tunes, watch some tele and get quietly banjo'ed for the evening.

Does this plan sound like "a goer" or does anyone have any suggestions ?

Cheers :)
 
Sweet, just ordered the orange oil stuff. Bought the tech grade stuff >94% purity as the food grade was only >97% and was twice as expensive. Already got the calcium hydroxide knocking about the house. The gravy separator... I'll just have to think of someway round this, its only to separate two liquids, how hard can it be. I'll just use a pipette or something. Food dehydrator?!?! me thinks a dish on a heater will get the job done.

Love doing shit like this and It'll save me shoving things up my arse ;)

Game on!
 
If you decide not to do the extraction with the orange oil you could just do your original plan but boil it down to a lump of goo. Alternatively you could do an alcohol extraction which just involves soaking the cacti in a high proof alcohol (I am not sure which type of alcohol is best though, I remember reading isopropyl alcohol works best but you might want to check) in a jar for a day while shaking vigorously, filter out the alcohol and set it aside and .continue to do more pulls until the alcohol isn't changing colour from grabbing the alkaloids from the cactus material. You can then just evaporate it in a dish under a fan or do a very controlled light heating of the alcohol solution until it all evaporates and the resultant goo can become a new buddy for your poo; or you can just eat it.
 
How experienced are you at plugging liquids lava? The problem is anal leakage - you end up with the majority of the cactus dripping down your thigh.

It's also incredibly uncomfortable holding any amount of liquid up there for any length of time. The times I've tried it I've usually ended up running to the toilet inside 10 minutes desperate to shit it out. If you can hold large amounts of liquid up your arse for 2hours you are a better man than I.

2 hours isn't necessary by the way - Trouts notes on cacti suggest 45mins to an hour is plenty.

It's going to be a much less powerful and more mild experience than if you took it orally but you won't be puking like a sick fucking dog. There's no nausea at all.
 
lava said:
me thinks a dish on a heater will get the job done.
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Even if you dehydrate it and "lower the volume" you'll still end up puking like a sick fucking dog. In my experience anyway.

The only nausea-free ways of taking cactus are a full A/B extraction or anally.
 
Yeah, see what your saying about the plugging. I'll just eat it on an empty stomach. Wont be the first time I've puked off drugs... by a long fuckin chalk.

Ordered myself 120g of Peruvian Torch. Orange oil stuff is in the post also, depending on delivery times and how long the extraction process takes me, with a bit of luck I'll be able to take it either next weekend or the weekend after. Don't want to rush it, I've been waiting a good 20 years to try this, another week or two isn't going to make much difference.

One question, the vinegar that I need to use for the extraction - Do I just grab a bottle of Sarsons from Asda?
 
white vinegar is better.
not sure if there is any chemical reason, its just what ive always done and just looks 'cleaner'

oh, and in the style of the good ol' bbc i feel obliged to point out that other brands of vinegar, and other super markets are available
 
lava said:
Yeah, see what your saying about the plugging. I'll just eat it on an empty stomach.
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You might think about plugging it again once you taste the horrendous shit. Really, viciously atrocious. Just bringing the cup to your nose is enough to set you off gipping and vomiting, never mind actually swallowing it.

At least plugging avoids all of that.
 
Got home tonight to a liter of orange oil and 6 bags of premium cactus chippings. After half an hour with the pestle & mortar I've now got a casserole dish full of orange smelling green goo. Had to make an educated guess on the calcium hydroxide quantity but I have to say its looking promising. Could be on for this weekend, its a bank holiday too. Rock and roll :D
 
How much cactus did you use in the prep? Might be an idea preparing just a little bit and seeing whether or not you can face swallowing it. It's no use spending hours preparing something that after the first sip you're going to splatter back across the curtains.
 
Why not just get the powdered form and take it in capsules? I only had to take about 12 to trip hard for 10 hours, but I'm kind of a lightweight. Preparation is just too involved and the taste is too bad to do it any other way. I see that you plan to plug it...interesting. Let us know how that turns out! ;)
 
Well, I'm well and truly underway with the extraction. Got a Pyrex dish lid with about half and inch deep of the vinegar solution in the oven as we speak. Had it under a fan since last night and its taking forever to evaporate so its in the oven at 50 degrees Celsius to hurry it up a bit. Had a look at it before and could see what looked like tiny grains of sand swishing about in the bottom of the dish, hopefully that's the good stuff.

started with 120g of dried cactus. Soaked the powdered cactus in the orange oil 3 times now, each time for 24 hours. The vinegar solution has a slight yellow hue to it. Been a pain in the arse doing this extraction, been at it for 4 days now my house smells like an orange that's been sat in vinegar for a month. Hope this works!
 
Bit of a disappointment, evaporated all the vinegar solution off and was left with a tiny amount of of amber coloured goo, when I say tiny I mean looking at it there was probably about 1/5 of a gram in the bottom of the dish. Scraped it up and ate it, tasted strangely familiar. Not holding out much hope for any effects off this. Don't know what I've done wrong with the extraction - if anything. The only thing I guessed on was the calcium hydroxide as I didn't have any scales so I just put in about 6 seriously heaped teaspoons full. I soaked the powdered cactus 3 times, leaving it to soak for 24 hours each time. Mixed the vinegar in good and proper and separated it out without any problems.

Bah, well cheesed off as I put about 90 quid into this and 4 days of work. What a pisser, just have to see if that goo does anything but I'm not hold out much hope.... if any.
 
I haven't had good results with this tek. I got slightly better yields salting with HCl (and didn't have to deal with the smell of vinegar), but in the future I would recommend a basic alcohol extraction or using a different tek if possible.
 
lava said:
Bah, well cheesed off as I put about 90 quid into this and 4 days of work. What a pisser, just have to see if that goo does anything but I'm not hold out much hope.... if any.
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Me feel you. That's what tends to happen when you try any clever extractions on cactus. God knows how much money and time I pissed away "evaporating" cactus down till there was fuck-all left on the pyrex dish. I kissed goodbye to hundreds of £.

Best way is just squirting it up your bunghole if you can avoid anal leakage and hold it inside for long enough.
 
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