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OxyDillyKing
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After i started IVing opiates i lost all interest in weed, not to mention all my money is going to dope. i have acess to alot of money cuz of my family, about 250 dollars a day, i wouldnt even spend 10 of it on weed, even though im always flush with opiates ( not only do i have acess to that amount of cash daily, i can get hydromophone 8mg pills for $10 a pill, 30mg immediate release Oxycodone for $12 a pill, and bundles of good dope where you only need to do 3 bags for an almost nodding high for $85-120). to me its just a waste of money, but many of friends still feel there is nothing better than smoking a blunt after doing a nice big shot. oddly enough, i could smoke like many times a day for free i just choose not to. it doesnt interest me anymore, and every since i started opiates, it even kinda makes me a little nervous and edgy instead of relaxing like how it used to effect me. i have no idea why
That's how it does me occasionally. I thought I was the only one, that's why I'm not an avid user or marijuana anymore. Opiates are by far the best, I'm just having to grow the balls to do this. The only thing in the back of my mind is the fact that I have watched a few people OD (and some damn close) right in front of me. It's something I can't get used to. That's why I want to make sure that I don't bang to much.
blues runner
Bluelighter
A lot of good advice given in the thread already.
As has been mentioned, different kinds of dope need to be prepared for IV use in different ways. The ideal kind of heroin for injecting is the fluffy white number four type, which yes, only needs the addition of water and not heat. Not difficult to find in Baltimore, but almost impossible on the west coast (where it's predominantly black tar). Another kind of dope is known as number three, common in Europe, and this one needs the addition of a mild acid to make it soluble in water (lemon or lime drops, for instance). So then, it's important to know what kind of dope you're going to be using.
As far as safely, comfortably administering the shot, I can tell you my typical approach. If it's dope that needs to be cooked (and tar always needs to be), I usually take a soup spoon, bend it a bit behind the ladle so when I lay it down on a surface the spoon container is level with the table. Next, put in a bit (just a bit) of your junk. Next comes the rig. I prefer 100 cc 29 gauge Terumo short needle insulin syringes. They have a much smoother action than BDs and make booting (drawing the blood back up after you've registered) a pleasure, not a chore.
If you're doing garbage dope typically found on the west coast, you'll need to cook it so excessively that sterile water won't even be necessary. In CA I've used black tar that had so much shit in it the dope wouldn't cook for at least over a minute (lighter gets hot, sometimes the spring even pops). As has been said, don't use a cigarette filter but a small ball of cotton. Don't roll it up too tightly. Draw up about 50 to 60 units of water from the glass you've set next to you, spray it softly onto the dope you've put in the spoon. If it's tar, start cooking. If it's number three (unlikely in the states anyway), add a little lemon, then start cooking but not for as long as you would the tar. When the cook begins to bubble and black fringes appear along the sides, you've almost gone too far. Also, at least 10-15 units of water will be gone by this point.
Now, put the spoon down. Wait a second or three. Then drop the small loosely rolled cotton into the spoon and watch it absorb everything (well, not everything). Then you have to extract the dope (now hopefully safely prepared and ready for injection) into the rig. Just lightly intro the point into the cotton and pull back on the plunger. You might have to repeat this. Try to get all the solution in the rig as close to the point insertion as possible, maybe using your nail to tap it while very lightly pushing the plunger up to increase the height of the volume (now probably about 35-40 units if it's tar). Put everything down. Make a fist. Pump it. Find a tourniquet (I use my belt). Maybe swing your arm around a few times to increase blood flow and volume to the extremity. Tighten the tourniquet. You see the big vein on the inside part of your arm by the elbow joint? That's the safest bet for a novice. You don't have to slap the vein like they do in the movies; I find it useless. Just feel the vein. Is it puffy, prominent? Then you're ready.
Hold the plunger lightly between your first and second fingers of the hand you'll be using to shoot. Hold the rig almost parallel with the surface of your arm. Be sure the bevel (the little divet in the metal of the point) is facing up and always inject toward (in the direction of) your heart. Use the short needle, don't push it in very far. Just right on top of where you know your vein is waiting. Then draw back on the plunger. Do you see blood? If so, success. You've just registered. Now you can either boot (push the plunger lightly up and down to reintroduce that crimson reward), or you can just shoot it then. Before you depress the plunger though, be sure to release the tourniquet.
How do you feel? That depends on the purity, sort, and quantity of the dope you've just shot. The rest is just routine. It's the way to inject safely, consistently. Always try to use a fresh needle, never just throw one away on the street or something (discard safely), and rotate your injection sites. BTW, number four dope, not needing acid, not garbage like most chiva (tar) is the ideal prep of heroin for injecting.
Have fun. Be careful. Peace.
As has been mentioned, different kinds of dope need to be prepared for IV use in different ways. The ideal kind of heroin for injecting is the fluffy white number four type, which yes, only needs the addition of water and not heat. Not difficult to find in Baltimore, but almost impossible on the west coast (where it's predominantly black tar). Another kind of dope is known as number three, common in Europe, and this one needs the addition of a mild acid to make it soluble in water (lemon or lime drops, for instance). So then, it's important to know what kind of dope you're going to be using.
As far as safely, comfortably administering the shot, I can tell you my typical approach. If it's dope that needs to be cooked (and tar always needs to be), I usually take a soup spoon, bend it a bit behind the ladle so when I lay it down on a surface the spoon container is level with the table. Next, put in a bit (just a bit) of your junk. Next comes the rig. I prefer 100 cc 29 gauge Terumo short needle insulin syringes. They have a much smoother action than BDs and make booting (drawing the blood back up after you've registered) a pleasure, not a chore.
If you're doing garbage dope typically found on the west coast, you'll need to cook it so excessively that sterile water won't even be necessary. In CA I've used black tar that had so much shit in it the dope wouldn't cook for at least over a minute (lighter gets hot, sometimes the spring even pops). As has been said, don't use a cigarette filter but a small ball of cotton. Don't roll it up too tightly. Draw up about 50 to 60 units of water from the glass you've set next to you, spray it softly onto the dope you've put in the spoon. If it's tar, start cooking. If it's number three (unlikely in the states anyway), add a little lemon, then start cooking but not for as long as you would the tar. When the cook begins to bubble and black fringes appear along the sides, you've almost gone too far. Also, at least 10-15 units of water will be gone by this point.
Now, put the spoon down. Wait a second or three. Then drop the small loosely rolled cotton into the spoon and watch it absorb everything (well, not everything). Then you have to extract the dope (now hopefully safely prepared and ready for injection) into the rig. Just lightly intro the point into the cotton and pull back on the plunger. You might have to repeat this. Try to get all the solution in the rig as close to the point insertion as possible, maybe using your nail to tap it while very lightly pushing the plunger up to increase the height of the volume (now probably about 35-40 units if it's tar). Put everything down. Make a fist. Pump it. Find a tourniquet (I use my belt). Maybe swing your arm around a few times to increase blood flow and volume to the extremity. Tighten the tourniquet. You see the big vein on the inside part of your arm by the elbow joint? That's the safest bet for a novice. You don't have to slap the vein like they do in the movies; I find it useless. Just feel the vein. Is it puffy, prominent? Then you're ready.
Hold the plunger lightly between your first and second fingers of the hand you'll be using to shoot. Hold the rig almost parallel with the surface of your arm. Be sure the bevel (the little divet in the metal of the point) is facing up and always inject toward (in the direction of) your heart. Use the short needle, don't push it in very far. Just right on top of where you know your vein is waiting. Then draw back on the plunger. Do you see blood? If so, success. You've just registered. Now you can either boot (push the plunger lightly up and down to reintroduce that crimson reward), or you can just shoot it then. Before you depress the plunger though, be sure to release the tourniquet.
How do you feel? That depends on the purity, sort, and quantity of the dope you've just shot. The rest is just routine. It's the way to inject safely, consistently. Always try to use a fresh needle, never just throw one away on the street or something (discard safely), and rotate your injection sites. BTW, number four dope, not needing acid, not garbage like most chiva (tar) is the ideal prep of heroin for injecting.
Have fun. Be careful. Peace.
Update: I out about 1/3 of my regular sized bump in the spoon. added exactly 50 cc's of water, rolled the cotton from the q-tip around with the very tip of the needle. Filled the syringe which came out to about 40 cc when I pushed the air out (guess I didn't get it all) and my vein in my arm is big so I had no need for a tie off. Hit the vein first time, and drew blood no problem. As I very slowly proceeded to inject it, I definitely felt the rush but I stopped with around 10 cc left in the syringe. I felt really anxious because I have not felt a rush like this before and just wanted to be on the safe side. Then snorted the other 2/3 of the bump I had layed out, and I feel extremely good. I think I just had to loose the fear of doing this. My next dose I'm going finish it, and maybe use a half of my nasal dose instead of 1/3 like this time. That rush was something else, and this is some pretty decent dope. I'll let you know how that goes. Any comments on doing that tiny bit more the next time I IV? (i.e. should I stick with the 1/3 of my nasal dose and just finish the entire shot?) By the way my average good nasal dose is maybe the size of two match heads.
blues runner
Bluelighter
Josh, it's very important to release the tie before the injection. If the tourniquet stays tight, the drug enters the vein and really has nowhere to go. This can result in bruising, vein damage, and of course a waste of time and money.
But it's tricky. When you release the tie, you need to be sure that the point stays in your vein. Remember, you've found the vein, you already know you got it in there because you registered successfully and saw the proof (the blood), but sometimes people who aren't practiced might dislodge the syringe as they try to remove the belt. You have to keep very calm, very steady. I loop the belt through the buckle once, wrap the round around my arm, wrap the excess slack over the tightened part, hold it tight with my teeth, and when it's time to let go, I simply hold my arm still and slip the belt off smoothly, running the tension through the buckle. Just to be sure, you might consider lightly pulling back on the plunger to make sure you're still in the vein after you remove the tie; there's nothing worse than missing. Miss the vein, inject, and you get a painful swelling that lasts hours and doesn't get you off. That's why I always like to boot at least twice.
It would be so much easier, safer, surer, if you could have someone who knows this kind of thing and all the little details involved show you exactly what to do. This, however, is the best I can do. In the interest of harm reduction, I'm trying to be as precise and clear as possible to make this a smooth and safe experience for you.
blues runner
Bluelighter
Well all right, good job. You did it. I would have finished it, but I understand that you were anxious and had your reasons. After all, we're all different. Just a couple of things I'm curious about: what color is the dope, how long did you cook it? If I knew where you were, I'd probably already know the answers to these questions...but don't use the tip of the needle for anything except the actual injection. Instead, if you want to roll the cotton around the spoon or stir some already cooked dope, use the rubber tip of the plunger instead.
As for your question on whether or not to finish that tiny bit more...of course. Based on your post, this dose is not only safe, but maybe just right for you. Don't stop until you've slowly, surely pushed the plunger all the way down. Take it out, breathe, and revel in the perfect euphoria your body and mind will be forced to experience. Your anxiety won't stand a chance against this drug's blissful effects, and once you realize that, you'll shoot safely and confidently. Complete the shot. Enjoy the itch. Don't worry about a goddamn thing. No trouble, no worries, no regrets, no pain...that's what it's designed for. But as you go about the whole routine...slow, sure, and smooth movements work every time. Stay calm. Why feel any other way?
Yeah, I realized now I should have finished it. But like I said, I was anxious. And I'm in Atlanta in Georgia. we have pretty pure, powdered dope that dissolves perfectly without cooking. Next time I will keep the same dose, but finish is all and post an update. However after the shot putting things away I dulled the tip of the syringe and now I don't have one. I don't believe I have a way to get anymore. Pharmacies where I'm. At are extremely strict and most require a diabetic card. I now realize though that I am being safe and I have no worries with this size dose. Thank's for the response. I wish I had another rig though, I also have a roxy. Only a little more H.
blues runner
Bluelighter
Ah, I see. Hotlanta. I'm envious. I've been here in Goa, India for 5 months, and the dope they have here is, like for most of the world, from Afghanistan. That makes it a somewhat brownish-yellow colored rocky chunk that needs an acid in order to dissolve in water. Bad for the veins, acid (even a mild citric powder or one or two lime drops in the spoon). Collapses them much faster. But I always rotate my injection sites, have just the faintest white lines for tracks that nobody notices, and insist on sanitation. That's largely because I became a heroin addict while I lived in Southeast Asia, where I had relatively inexpensive access to the best H in the world: number four China white. But I digress...
You say you now have no syringe. Yes you do. And it's quite usable. I don't care how you "damaged" it; every time a syringe breaks the skin it gets damaged. In my most desperate times, I used the same syringe (but my own - never shared) over 7 times. Toward the end it was like using a toothpick to pierce through leather (my skin). But it worked. Aim slow, straight and true. That diminishes tearing of the injection site, and still allows more of an actual puncture, which is what we want. What did you do? Hit the side of the cap with the point when you put it back on in a hurry? Doesn't matter. It will work. You don't need another one, not today anyway.
Don't shoot the Roxy, bad idea. Too much harmful shit in pills to inject into the bloodstream, even if heated. Do the rest of the H. Did you finish what was left in the syringe? If not, put it back into the spoon, then proceed to prepare the rest of the H you have left along with it. Did you throw away the cotton you used the first time? If not, use the same one. No harm. But don't worry about having damaged the point. Shit, sometimes I didn't use any cotton and just filled the rig straight out of the spoon, occasionally scraping the metal. It was okay. And it's a sure way of getting all the dope, not leaving any residual in the cotton. It's impossible to completely drain the cotton. That's the reason street addicts with no money save their used cottons and sometimes use them multiple times. Nasty, but that's why.
Now that I know what kind of dope you're using, my recommendation would be to use distilled water (if you don't have any heat it moderately before adding the H to it), adding that straight to the dope in the spoon in order to allow it to dissolve, and then finally use the syringe point itself to draw up all the liquid you see in that spoon. You know how to do the rest already. Don't hesitate, don't be anxious, and I'm sure you'll get a decent fix. Then, you can always use the Roxy later. Don't try to shoot it though. That's not my specialty (I don't know if it's anyone's). Everything I hear about it says it causes complications, there's actually less of a rush than crushing it up and snorting it...whatever. At least you'll have another potent opioid on hand.
Yeah, I checked, my rig is completely good to go again. But alas, I did the rest. I do have two roxy's. And yeah, my friend will do a cotton shot from time to time. Only thing is with me, I'm trying to keep it to recreational use only. Not an everyday thing like pot has been for me. I noticed myself already wanting another shot this morning. But I'm going to use these roxy's to get over that. I'm south of Atlanta at this time and no dope for about 40 miles. &yeah, I've heard that, and the last time I banged a piece of a roxy I passed the fuck out, hard.
blues runner
Bluelighter
Well, I'm glad I was able to be of service, safely. You can also congratulate yourself for being very careful and doing everything I outlined very well. So...you've now had two experiences with shooting dope. The one I did my best to assist you with got you off with a rush that, in your own words, "was something else." You nailed that one perfectly. But yeah, you should have finished the last of it. It would have been safe and grand. But no matter.
The other instance with the needle resulted in your not going about it carefully or correctly, actually needing someone else to do it for you. You didn't loosen the tie, you got pale and dizzy, you fell down and banged your head against a bathtub. Not much of an enjoyable experience, that one.
There's a big difference between being adequately prepared, informed, ready and, conversely, taking a risk and going about the act blindly, needing someone else to control what you learned how to do very well and very quickly after learning how to do so safely and effectively. But I''m not writing this post to critically compare the failure vs. the success of your IV use.
I'm writing to tell you that your thoughts about not continuing to do this are the correct ones. Don't start down the needle road man. I smoked heroin for three years and was able to keep a job, earn money, make my girl happy, etc. As soon as I decided to learn how to use and commit to doing my dope with the needle however, everything changed. In short, it pretty much ruined my life for a good ten years. So many losses (love, money, job and school opportunities...). So many scars (mental, emotional, physical). It's almost as if every wound and tragedy that occurred over those ten years was a direct result of my decision to start shooting dope.
At first it's cool, it's fun, easy and enabling once you get good at it. It's almost like an art, but it's a dark, sick art that starts out enjoyably and innocently and quickly turns into a full-time job of ensuring you're going to get what you need every 8 hours. And after a few weeks, the pleasure of the rush is gone. There is no more rush. There's only the relief of knowing that you've avoided the hellish pain of withdrawal by doing whatever you had to do to get your fix in time. Then, you have to do the same thing again. Ultimately you're fixing just to stay well, to avoid getting unspeakably, horribly sick at the horrific hands of heroin withdrawal. And the next day, you have to do the same thing you did today.
By that point there's no more pleasure, just desperate relief that you didn't have to kick. It becomes a life of nothing but "staying well", ensuring you get what you need to stay well at least every 8 hours. That's what my life became. So difficult, tiring, guilt-laden, anxious and desperate. Don't do that to yourself. Yes, you know how to do it now, and you probably will do it from time to time. Who knows? Maybe you'll get a full-fledged habit like I did. But I sure hope not. I don't wish what that drug (which is ironically both my love and my killer) did to me on anyone. Well, almost anyone. Some people are just fucking bastards and I don't care if they suffer. But most people I do like to look out for. I've never fixed somebody with a hit for their first time, because I don't want to be the one that robs them of who knows how much of their life's time.
It's no joke. Just think about this from time to time. It might (might) just help a little bit. And, of course, a little bit is better than nothing at all. Just being honest with you bro, just telling you what happened to me because of the choices I made. Good luck. But hey, do post again about whether or not you found any more, did any more...about what happened. Because now I'm curious. Also, I don't know if I should have told you exactly how to correctly, even if safely, shoot dope. Whatever you decide, I wish you the best of luck (and I'll continue to help you if you need it, if you choose to use it again). Peace.
OxyDillyKing
Bluelighter
Sounds like you were just extremely anxious. try shooting pure water a few times to practice. that should get you used to whole idea.
Yeah, I mean, without the help of this forum I probably would have done that incorrectly. And yes, I have seen first hand, multiple times what shooting dope can do to some people. It is a painful thing to experience in some cases. Which is why I'm limiting myself. I had the urge to today but I snorted half a roxy 30 instead and felt good. Still have half, saving it for later. May go get another one. But thank you guys for taking the time out of your day to give me very helpful advice. I'll post an update if I bang some more anytime soon and let you know how it went. So look out for some posts of mine in Basic Drug Discussion.
OxyDillyKing
Bluelighter
Try shooting some pure water a few times to get used to the whole process it might make you way more calm when you do the real thing it wont be so scary