First cycle

My bad guys, there just seems to be a lot of assumptions people make regarding what i'm thinking about doing which results in them kind of flaming me without explaining. I shouldn't have assumed you've not tried a short cycle. Did you try several and compare the results to a longer cycle with the equivalent time on/off? I appreciate you guys taking the time to explain things to me, the reason i posted in the first place was for advice.

I've already got the test prop now with turinabol, arimidex, finasteride (just as a precaution, already going bald) and nolva to try a 2 week cycle + PCT and i can't swap or return them. Also due to my current lifestyle choices (i know you guys have cautioned me about this, but i only intend on making slow and steady gains which is what i've managed so far, and won't be taking any recs during cycle or PCT) it's either a short cycle or nothing at all at the moment. So as i'm going to do this cycle anyway (in about 2 weeks), i will post my results and whether it was worth doing or not. Thanks again for your advice, i will keep you updated!
 
ProfessorMonkey said:
My bad guys, there just seems to be a lot of assumptions people make regarding what i'm thinking about doing which results in them kind of flaming me without explaining. I shouldn't have assumed you've not tried a short cycle. Did you try several and compare the results to a longer cycle with the equivalent time on/off? I appreciate you guys taking the time to explain things to me, the reason i posted in the first place was for advice.

I've already got the test prop now with turinabol, arimidex, finasteride (just as a precaution, already going bald) and nolva to try a 2 week cycle + PCT and i can't swap or return them. Also due to my current lifestyle choices (i know you guys have cautioned me about this, but i only intend on making slow and steady gains which is what i've managed so far, and won't be taking any recs during cycle or PCT) it's either a short cycle or nothing at all at the moment. So as i'm going to do this cycle anyway (in about 2 weeks), i will post my results and whether it was worth doing or not. Thanks again for your advice, i will keep you updated!
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I did 4 weeks on 6 off which ended up: 6 weeks on 4 off, for about 2 years Propionate and Winstrol plus orals, injecting every few days.... Had previously done 12 years on Test-Deca prior to playing around with Anavar/Viramone/Winstrol, Dbol/Oxys/Test/Tren hGH etc...
So gave it a good shot, but wasn't too impressed.....

I can only re-iterate your first cycle is the one you will remember most, and should give you the best gains, if everything else is in place (diet/training)......

Regards your intended 2 week protocol of Propionate and Turinabol: IMO I can't see what you will get out of it? The amount of test in your blood early In the cycle is irrelevant because the relationship between serum test concentration and therapeutic effect is not linear. Steroid hormones act slowly. Your better off extending your cycle to 8-12 weeks Test-E.
I've already mentioned to stay away from short esters if possible as some research suggests they may actually cause an increase in estradiol due to the fast spike in plasma test and subsequent aromatization.
BL is about harm reduction, if you want my opinion: I'd put the Prop aside and when you are ready I'd suggest Testosterone on the enanthate or cypionate ester...
 
I'd stay away from prop for the first cycle, most of them hurt a lot... try getting phenyl prop (you'll need a larger dose since the ester is heavier but can inject a day or two less often or test ace but you need more frequent injections and both are a little harder to get). This is if you're dead set on doing short cycles, otherwise the standard beginner 500mg test eth/cyp for 12 weeks will work great and you can add some orals for the first 4 and last 4 weeks, but it's hardly necessary (if you don't gain from 500mg test pw on your first cycle you either have shit gear or aren't eating or have some rare genetic disorder which makes you insensitive to androgens).
 
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