First cycle thinking Test and 11-oxo

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This will be my first cycle; hoping to use Testosterone Cypionate or test Enanthate but at worst case might have to use sustanon. Have been using lots of supplements for past 6 months but no pro-hormones. I take a multi-vit, vit e, fish oil, lecithin, ZMA, creatine, milk thistle, ginkgo, 1000mg vit c, GABA, beta-alanine, l-glutamine, BCAA, l-ornithine, AAKG, alpha GPC, saw palmetto, vit b12, vit b-6, citrulline malate, Most of the amino acids are for recovery and to increase HGH.

I take clonidine sometimes to sleep and it raises HGH.
Also take avanza and weed to eat more.


Week 1-12 250mg-500mg test
week 1-10 start at 100mg of 11-oxo increase 100mg per week to 600mg
week 10-12 900mg 11-oxo
Plan on taking Anabolic Innovations Life Support and cycle support for few weeks before, during and a couple of months after.

For PCT I got 6-oxo, some nolva, Driven Sports Activate Xtreme, Neogenix Supremacy Endogenous Hormone Optimizing Solution and mass FX

11-OXO also known as (Adrenosterone) is a popular non-methylated designer steroid/pro-hormone ...At the lower end of the dosing spectrum you’ll get effective cortisol control and at the upper end of the dosing spectrum you’ll effectively shut down your natural testosterone production and the 11-oxo results will be comparable to other stronger compounds
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http://tunedsports.com/designer-steroids/the-11-oxo-adrenosterone-informative-bible/

Wondering about how much to dose 11-oxo because i can only find info on stacking in with pro-hormones. Does anyone have have any knowledge on stacking this with test?

Also might be lucky and get some dianabol was thinking of adding it for fest 3 weeks without the 11-oxo but not sure how long to wait after stopping the dianabol to start the 11-oxo.
 
I'd suggest running 500mgs weekly...250mgs won't be enough...Also post your diet and training? Age? why are you using 11-oxo on cycle? 11-oxo is far less superior than a real AI i.e arimidex, aromasin, etc...

drop all those stupid cycle support and test boosting otc shit in the pct...waste of money..
 
I pretty much agree with PARooolller. I think you should just run the test without the oxo-11. I'd say, depending on weight, 400mg should be a good dose (last cycle I ran 500mg test cyp/week and I'm close to 260lbs). Cost wise I'd think that you get TONS more bang for your buck with test than with oxo-11 as well.

Some info I've been paying attn to recently (short burst cycling by Ronnie Rowland) has me looking at shorter cycles. He claims (and in my limited experience I would agree) that you get the most out of a cycle during the first 8 weeks. Last cycle I ran for 10 weeks, I think for future cycles I will be doing 8-10 weeks with more frequent cycling rather than 12 weeks, etc.

I'd go with your nolva for pct. Make sure to post your final plans for a cycle including the type of test your going to use, as well as the doses of nolva and the start/stop dates for nolva so you can get feedback to make sure you start and stop your pct at the correct times.

Consider using HCG during your cycle, maybe at a dose of 200iu's 2x/week through your cycle, stopping when you stop your test (assuming you will change to running test alone). It will aid your recovery as your testes will not shrink and you will recover easier this way. One 5000iu vial (along with BW to reconstitute it) should do the trick.

Get an AI to have it on hand in case any symptoms of gyno emerge.
 
Titus said:
I pretty much agree with PARooolller. I think you should just run the test without the oxo-11. I'd say, depending on weight, 400mg should be a good dose (last cycle I ran 500mg test cyp/week and I'm close to 260lbs). Cost wise I'd think that you get TONS more bang for your buck with test than with oxo-11 as well.

Some info I've been paying attn to recently (short burst cycling by Ronnie Rowland) has me looking at shorter cycles. He claims (and in my limited experience I would agree) that you get the most out of a cycle during the first 8 weeks. Last cycle I ran for 10 weeks, I think for future cycles I will be doing 8-10 weeks with more frequent cycling rather than 12 weeks, etc.

I'd go with your nolva for pct. Make sure to post your final plans for a cycle including the type of test your going to use, as well as the doses of nolva and the start/stop dates for nolva so you can get feedback to make sure you start and stop your pct at the correct times.

Consider using HCG during your cycle, maybe at a dose of 200iu's 2x/week through your cycle, stopping when you stop your test (assuming you will change to running test alone). It will aid your recovery as your testes will not shrink and you will recover easier this way. One 5000iu vial (along with BW to reconstitute it) should do the trick.

Get an AI to have it on hand in case any symptoms of gyno emerge.
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I weigh 80kg and i already got the 11-oxo and 6-oxo laying about.
I know test is going to be way stronger but i want to get the most out of my first cycle as most people fuck up there first and dont get to keep all there gains or get longer recover period etc.

There always say dont run a test cycle for shorter than 12 weeks. I would rather run a shorter cycle but i dont want to waste my cycle if i could get more gains by running it for a few more weeks.

6-oxo is an AI weaker than perscription stuff thats why i'll get some nolva. I got some propecia that i'll be running as well so no DHT causing me issues like hair loss.

Whats BW? I would take HCG if i could get it, is it Pregnyl chorionic gonadotrophin?
 
drug_FUCKED said:
Yeah i got some time off work i want to get the most of it. Been using Animals staks while i wait to get this cycle going.

Are people saying i will gain less from combining 11-oxo?
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Gain less? I don't know much about 11-oxo, but from my experience running anything with test will not hinder results, if dosage is correct. The first cycle I ran was:

Test cyp @ 400 mg/wk for 10 weeks & Deca @ 250/wk for 8 weeks WHILE taking nolva the entire cycle at 10mg/ed. I got itchy nips around 3 weeks in and got scared shitless so I bumped the nolva from 10 to 20mgs ED and had no more problems with gyno.

For PCT I just ran Clomid with the Nolva for 5 weeks. I have never got my hands on hgh but if you can I would strongly suggest adding it to your pct, as it sounds to be amazing at preventing helping you from shutting down.
 
So its ok to run nolva through the test cycle? Or would it be better to run an AI to stop conversion. I was going to run grape seed extract and DIM through cycle to stop estrogen bad side effects. I dont think i'll get estrogen problems if i run sustanon cause it doesn't aromatically convert to estrogen i think.

How does clomid compare to nolva is it new RC like nolva?
 
it's ok to run nolva during the cycle but an AI is superior...

clomid and nolva are both SERMs (selective estrogen receptor modulators) and there is a lot of back and forth research claiming which one is more effective...
 
drug_FUCKED said:
You saying that any AI eg. 6-oxo? is better than nolva or just perscription anti-estrogen such as clomiphene (Clomid) or an aromatase inhibitor such as anastrazole (Arimidex)?
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I don't have experience with 6 or 11 oxo...stick with what works....get arimidex or proviron if you cant then just take low dose nolvade during cycle and clomid pct
 
As far as your first cycle is concerned, simplicity will be the key. You need to allow your body to adjust accordingly to the exogenous hormones, and you will also want to use this first cycle to gage your reaction to the exogenous hormones (i.e if you are prone to gyno, testicular atrophy, etc) So I would drop all of your ancillary supplements except for protein and maybe the ZMA. If you are really wanting to make sure that you acquire all the muscle mass possible during the cycle, do not run ANY AI during the cycle. AIs or SERMs will block estrogen and therefor you will not gain as much mass as you can without taking an AI. It is definitely smart however to keep some nolvadex on hand in case of gynecomastia. Running HCG (human chorionic gonadotropin) would be a good idea as well, there are really no side effects associated with HCG so this is one thing you will not have to worry about. If you cannot get HCG, then do not worry about it, there isnt much else you can really run during the cycle, that wont hinder muscle gain. Here is what your cycle can look like:

Testosterone Cypionate 500mg/week weeks 1-12(broken up into two 250mg doses on Mon and Thurs)
HCG (if you can get it) 400iu/week weeks 2-15 (also broken up into two 200iu doses during the week)

PCT:
Clomid 50mg or Nolvadex 20mg starting approximately three or four days after your last shot of HCG and take 1 tablet daily for 4 weeks.

If you do not run the HCG you will still want to begin your PCT drug three weeks after your last shot of Test, because most esters will remain partially in your body for up to three weeks.

Hope this helps
 
As far as your concerns go for the HCG, you really have nothing to worry about. In all of the patients we treat infertility with, none have reported any side effects, while they are still possible, they are unlikely especially for males. And I am not sure I agree with the statement that injections in males can cause gynecomastia, I would like to know what other medications these patients were taking along with HCG in order to further undertstand this claim. However IMO, the treatment is worth greater than the side-effects.
 
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