First cycle of a "designer steroid" and first post on bluelight

thelearner said:
I'm gonna hop in here and say don't take steroids. From everything you've said, I don't think they are the right fit for your goals. I'm all for your ability to put whatever you wish into your body, and I think steroids have their place for competitive body-building, extreme endurance (cycling, etc.) if you feel comfortable with bending the rules. But to progress from a mediocre athlete to a great athlete, they aren't the choice -- training is.

I don't know the first fucking thing about steroids, but I have done excessive research and learning about strength training and building muscle mass without their use. Fact is, you DON'T need steroids for MASSIVE muscle gain, especially at your age. You just need to lift some fucking weights (with the right regimin) and eat a clean, high protein diet. If you were 6'3" and 260lbs of pure muscle, sure, juicing might be the right choice to put on the next 10 lbs. But you're a RAIL. You just need to go lift.

For example, would you believe it's possible to put on 34lbs of muscle in 28 days (on a 5'7" frame, no less) WITHOUT steroids? It is:

http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blo...eak-how-i-gained-34-lbs-of-muscle-in-4-weeks/

Many people dispute the results of this experiment, but I for one have achieved 15lbs in 6 weeks (at age 26, from 170lbs to 175lbs w/ 10lbs fat loss in 6 wks) using a modified version (less protein intake) simply because I didn't want to look like the Hulk. My girlfriend likes me muscular, but not too big.

If you want the best possible results for your sport, GET A COACH or find a team where the players are significantly better than you and train with them. The best way to become better at a sport is to be around those whose talents exceed your own.
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I agree with a lot of that, but it is impossible to put on 34 lbs of muscle in 4 weeks time...the body doesn't not build muscle that quickly even with the use of AAS...at most the body will allow naturally just over 1 lb gain per week of pure muscle and that is on the extreme high end for someone who has no muscle mass, has never worked out a day in their life, and has never eaten even remotely close to properly...in studies it has been shown that around 3/4 of a pound per week with proper diet and training is what is can reasonably be expected depending on training experience

now factor in water, glycogen, fat, nitrogen, etc, then it is feasible to put on 34 lbs in that time frame, but not much of that is going to be pure muscle

that link is a joke to by the way...the pics are deceiving, he shaved his body and put on spray tan which makes him look much bigger and more defined, and he is trying to sell something...it looks like a bowflex commercial to me
 
interleukin said:
While I agree with your main message that the OP should not use steroids for his goals the other stuff in you post is just silly. Steroids may not be required for the average guy to be 200 and ripped but they will definitely help. They do a lot more than enhance protein synthesis in muscle cells too (aggression, neuromuscular development etc). The url you posted is bullshit and you are a fool if you actually believe it.
Steroids when used knowledgably have little chronic side effects. Technology is advanced and there is very little reason why people shouldn't use it appropriately. I'm sure you could walk say 5miles to work every day but would probably choose to drive. Using steroids is similar - it gets you there faster and easier which is the whole point of human progress - doing things more efficiently. Better results with less net work put in is a sign of intelligence and technological progress.
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sorry to say but that bold statement is very inaccurate...99% of guys that use AAS correctly, put in way more work than guys that don't...you have to work hard to make steroids work for you
 
maakshif said:
sorry to say but that bold statement is very inaccurate...99% of guys that use AAS correctly, put in way more work than guys that don't...you have to work hard to make steroids work for you
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Agreed. That's not what I meant though. I meant results from x amount of work + AAS > results from just x amount of work - a pretty obvious statement when it is put this way.
 
Steroids aren't an overnight cure, or solution in wanting to lift more, or get bigger. Sure, they will do that for you in a short time frame, if you are lifting hard, but if you don't reach your own natural limits, before trying steroids, thats where you'll stay at., as soon as you stop. You need to get to your natural max, before even considering if roids, or any other drug is right for you.

Also, you can't use steroids for a couple of months and then stop. Your gains will soon be gone. Once you decide to use the gear,, you need a comprehensive life plan which will support your body, and take you where you want to go. Like Schwarzenegger said - I used to be a 3 xl, now I'm an XL.

They aren't vitamin supplements. You need to serious research, and talk to some guys that have been using them long term to see what the positives, and negatives are.. You can't have one without the other. !
 
I'm guessing the stuff from Himalaya is Liv-52...it's junk...I along with several friends and several people across other steroid boards have had blood work done using that as liver support
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You got some a link- I've always liked using liv-52 alongside my milk thistle...
 
p-mo said:
You got some a link- I've always liked using liv-52 alongside my milk thistle...
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unfortunately no...i've had bloodwork done over my last 2 cycles using it at 9 per day and my liver values were ridiculously high...had a couple of friends do the same and we all had different batches (I assume they were different batches anyway as we ordered them all separately at different times)

I've also seen a bunch of posts on several other boards, including the one I mod at, with people complaining about high liver values while using it...I don't know if they've changed something because most of them have been within the last year and a half or so...I don't drink alcohol or take anything else besides orals that would be stressing my liver, but I do know after my last blood test with high values on Liv-52, I jumped on NAC/ALA and got bloodwork done a month later and my values were normal
 
Alright guys, I've been on H-drol for a little over a week and here are the results I've noticed so far.

Positive side effects;

My body fat % has gone down, I have a noticeable six pack now, my endurance and speed in the pool have improved drastically to the point where the coach told me he was shocked at how quickly I had improved. I don't feel muscle pain, my muscles die down on me still but I never really feel so much pain that I want to "give up".

Negative Effects;

I don't think my joints can keep up with the strain I'm putting on my body... my elbows, shoulders joints are killing me. I'm a little more aggressive towards people (not physically) but I'll say things to people when they bother me, that I would normally keep myself from saying. My skin seems to be much more "oily" now but no significant signs of acne breakouts.

Overall;

I'm really enjoying my quality of life at the moment, I'm taking Himalayas liver support (52 I think) and milk thistle I'm gonna end with AX's "Advanced PCT" after 3 weeks of H-Drol.

Thank you everyone for your help, if I would have taken "stakabol" like I had originally itended I would have most likely done life long irreparabe damage to myself.

Thank you so much.
 
I personally don't trust any OTC supplements that claim to raise test levels, reduce conversion to estrogen, etc. Some may work, but because they're not heavily regulated, I have known quite a few supps to cause more harm than good on the human endocrine system. If it's helping you and you're seeing gains, more power to you. I'd rather go with known compounds and if taking the risk to live in the moment, I'd rather use AAS and do it right.

As for those who don't understand Norubit's choice to use even though he's not a lifter, that's as ridiculous as saying you don't understand why baseball players or olympic runners use gear. It doesn't matter the sport, AAS would help any athlete if they put in the hard work and keep a close eye on their health. I actually help advise a couple of nationally ranked swimmers on what compounds to use for their training and competition. They do very well on the gear and monitor their health closely. A person doesn't have to be a lifter to benefit from AAS.
 
New negative side effects,

Insomnia, recently I had a huge dip in endurance and my sore muscles aren't recovering as quickly, depression, mental fog, overall sense of illness after dosing.

I'm considering stopping the cycle immediately and starting my pct. It's been on week of H-Drol, any advice would be greatly appreciated.
 
Some supplements that have been available over the counter and even many prohormones have been known to raise free testosterone levels in men quite considerably over the average baseline. Unfortunately, they have also raised estradiol levels as well as forcing the body to convert much of that free test that are raised in spikes to convert to estrogen. The symptoms you experienced sound like this very situation. Elevated levels of estradiol and free test aromatization to estrogen will cause elongated periods of recovery, depression, mood swings, irritability, fatigue, insomnia, etc. This is what I meant by not trusting unregulated compounds.

My advice - go with compounds that have KNOWN benefits AND KNOWN side effects so that you know what you're dealing with, what to expect and what to prepare for. Every individual faces the decision of what to tolerate and what consequences to take before making the choice to do certain supps/meds/etc. At least go with the compounds that have quite a bit of information out there from people who have the experience and even clinical studies to back it up.

If you want to improve recovery time, endurance, and overall athletic performance - go with the basics: testosterone cypionate, testosterone enanthate, deca durabolin, boldenone undeclynate, trenbolone acetate, etc. Pick your poison - but research them first and know what you're dealing with before starting them so that you know how to help keep your health in check and get your nuts in action when you come off.

If you have any questions or need further advice, feel free to PM me.
 
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Don't stop the cycle for those sides. Finish the 4 weeks (3 weeks is a bit too short for hdrol). Feeling like shit is common on these non aromatizable orals. Try to eat more carbs. Keep the dose reasonable - don't go over 100mg/day.
Also, please use a SERM for PCT. "Advanced PCT" really won't cut it. You shouldn't have to mess with random OTC AI's for this cycle. Huge chances of messing your estrogen levels up.
Let me know if you have any specific questions.
 
interleukin said:
Don't stop the cycle for those sides. Finish the 4 weeks (3 weeks is a bit too short for hdrol). Feeling like shit is common on these non aromatizable orals. Try to eat more carbs. Keep the dose reasonable - don't go over 100mg/day.
Also, please use a SERM for PCT. "Advanced PCT" really won't cut it. You shouldn't have to mess with random OTC AI's for this cycle. Huge chances of messing your estrogen levels up.
Let me know if you have any specific questions.
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Thanks guys, I felt like shit and it was really damaging my relationship with my girlfriend and atm she's more important to me than any gains I could possibly get from a PH cycle. I learned alot about myself during this 1 week of h-drol (haha sorry for the corn :P). Should I be worried about 7-8 days of h-drol and 2 days of pct or should I be fine in regards to my endocrine gland getting everything back to normal.

-I've currently stopped intake of everything.

Thanks for all the advice guys, and sorry for being an idiot I should have listened and waited until I was older. but I'm a stubborn asshole that doesn't understand that a stove is hot until he gets his hand burned.
 
you dont need pct after 7 days of a weak supplement...don't listen to what anyone tells you...lol i never heard of anyone "finding themselves" on 1 week of h-drol..YOU MY FRIEND ARE NOT READY FOR STEROIDS.
 
PARooolller said:
you dont need pct after 7 days of a weak supplement...don't listen to what anyone tells you...lol i never heard of anyone "finding themselves" on 1 week of h-drol..YOU MY FRIEND ARE NOT READY FOR STEROIDS.
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lol did you even read what I said? I pretty much implied that I wasn't ready for steroids. I didn't say I had "found myself" I said I "learned about myself” big difference buddy.

"YOU MY FRIEND ARE NOT READY FOR "READING COMPREHENSION"
 
Norubit said:
Thanks guys, I felt like shit and it was really damaging my relationship with my girlfriend and atm she's more important to me than any gains I could possibly get from a PH cycle. I learned alot about myself during this 1 week of h-drol (haha sorry for the corn :P). Should I be worried about 7-8 days of h-drol and 2 days of pct or should I be fine in regards to my endocrine gland getting everything back to normal.

-I've currently stopped intake of everything.

Thanks for all the advice guys, and sorry for being an idiot I should have listened and waited until I was older. but I'm a stubborn asshole that doesn't understand that a stove is hot until he gets his hand burned.
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first thing that you have said that hasn't made me pull my hair out lol glad to hear things are better. Don't go away from your lifting goals for anything - remember, 200lbs is 200lbs, iron never lies ! Women will !!! LOL
 
hey guys, I've been having trouble getting strong erections like I used to. I mean I can get them but only when my girlfriend is sprawled out naked in front of me and they're usually pretty underwhelming. This couldn't have possible been caused by 1-2 weeks of H-drol without pct could it? and if it is, what can I do to get my libido up to normal? Test supplements or test shots for the rest of my life... :S
 
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