First cycle help please - test prop

Yellowcabs

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• Age
24
• Weight/height
188 lbs. 6'2"
• AAS experience (have you used AAS before, what doses, results?)
First time with this, have ran a bottle of Epistane
• Goals (what are you trying to achieve with AAS?)
Put on muscle mass, keep body fat low
• BF%
about 9%
• Diet
Healthy, all organic. No fast food or soda
• Work out schedule
Usually 6 days a week; split -back/biceps: chest/triceps: legs: shoulders

I am also taking 20 mgs of Epistane daily with this cycle. I was thinking it might help with gyno since it's an anti-estrogen and I couldn't get ahold of any nolva or whatever.

I injected for the first time (100mgs) on Friday the 14th of this month. I made the mistake of going out and getting hammered on the 15th (definitely won't drink anymore while doing this), injected the second time on the 16th. Today I felt so shitty I couldn't go to the gym. I have a bad cough and have felt very fatigued all day. Should I keep going with the injections or wait until I feel better? Also my glute is still sore today not that big of a deal, I just hope that it's normal.

Thanks and any other advice is appreciated.
 
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its test flu your body reacting to the BA/BB in the oil - used to dissolve the hormone.

Epistane is not an anti-estrogen...its an anabolic with a nasty rebound. You need tamoxifen citrate to control gyno and/or an AI such as exemestane (www.researchstop.com)

you are stupid for starting a steroid cycle at that weight.

Your diet, routine, recovery are shit one or the other or all three probably.

List your typical daily diet, including everything caloric.

IMO you should inject everyday with propionate to acheive stable levels.
 
its test flu your body reacting to the BA/BB in the oil - used to dissolve the hormone.

Epistane is not an anti-estrogen...its an anabolic with a nasty rebound. You need tamoxifen citrate to control gyno and/or an AI such as exemestane (www.researchstop.com)

you are stupid for starting a steroid cycle at that weight.

Your diet, routine, recovery are shit one or the other or all three probably.

List your typical daily diet, including everything caloric.

IMO you should inject everyday with propionate to acheive stable levels.

How long does test flu usually last? Should I expect to feel like this as long as I am on it? I guess I should just lift through it then.

Thanks for the link I'll look into it. Tomorrow I'll post a log of what I eat, I have never counted calories.

How much would you inject daily, 50mgs?
 
50mg sounds good

im against cycles though...I wouldnt have got on a cycle if you hadnt planned on staying on. I got on, came off, got on, came off, and got on to never come off again. Cycling is bullshit imo.

test flu should be done in about a day or so. It hopefully wont come back again.
 
You need tamoxifen citrate to control gyno and/or an AI such as exemestane (www.researchstop.com)

Which one of these should I get? Is there anything else I can do to help prevent gyno until I am able to get one?

This sounded weird to me, but I read somewhere that even though strength will be up on test prop, lifting heavier isn't a good idea. Any reason why this would be true?
 
I would stop your cycle now. And wait until you have more knowledge of AAS use, as well as about you diet and making sure you have EVERYTHING on hand before you begin your cycle. How long have you been researching AAS? I don't think it was long enough. You will also want to get a calendar and right down your cycle so you know exactly when your last injection was, in order to properly begin your PCT.
 
I would stop your cycle now. And wait until you have more knowledge of AAS use, as well as about you diet and making sure you have EVERYTHING on hand before you begin your cycle. How long have you been researching AAS? I don't think it was long enough. You will also want to get a calendar and right down your cycle so you know exactly when your last injection was, in order to properly begin your PCT.

I appreciate the advice, but I feel comfortable learning as I go.
 
Matsuo or anyone else if you can answer my questions above that would be great. I'll get that stuff on the way.

I'm still feeling quite sick today. Runny nose, cough, and feeling really lethargic. I'm definitely going to hit the gym today though. I'll post how it goes.
 
waiting for your diet

for 350mg of prop/week I'd run 10mg of exemestane (aromasolut onthat website) per day. And if I showed signs of gyno I'd run 20mg of nolvadex (nolvasolut) per day until gyno diminished then I'd stay on 10mg/day until end of cycle.

PCT would be 4-5 weeks of nolvadex and clomid (clomidsolut) 20mg nolva and 25mg clomid per day until recovered and 10mg of aromasin until your supply ran out (you could run this forever if you want).
 
I wouldn't run epistane the whole way through. I'd never workout 6 days a week.
 
I don't know how helpful this is gonna be without counting calories, but here is an example of my diet:

green drink (spinach, kiwi, apple, ginger, and tangerine)
green tea
muesli shake (peanut butter, muesli, raw milk, cinnamon)
ashwagonda (a tea that helps with my stamina)

kefir with banana and peaches
egg sandwich whole wheat bread, ham, 4 eggs, cheese
green tea

chicken fingers (homemade, organic free range chicken)
glass raw milk

shepherds pie (beef, cheese, potatoes)
glass raw milk
 
^ thats a nice snack.

Yeah it's hard to tell without the caloric content. But I'm eating a whole tray of shepherds pie and maybe 4-6 chicken breasts in the chicken fingers. Either way you're probably right, I should be eating more.
 
6'2 188lbs you should be eating like a HORSE bro , i know you got the organic thing going and that is good but I spend 200+ a week on food before, you really are gonna be as big as you eat I promise you this. I've eaten till i thought i was gonna puke, and an hour later im starving again.
 
Yeah it's hard to tell without the caloric content. But I'm eating a whole tray of shepherds pie and maybe 4-6 chicken breasts in the chicken fingers. Either way you're probably right, I should be eating more.

its all relative to some that would be way above maintenance to others that would be way below maintenance. Its relative to your goals. Do you want to be bigger? Then you should eat more relative to what you normally eat. You want to be more cut/lose bodyfat? Then you should eat less than you normally eat.
 
its all relative to some that would be way above maintenance to others that would be way below maintenance. Its relative to your goals. Do you want to be bigger? Then you should eat more relative to what you normally eat. You want to be more cut/lose bodyfat? Then you should eat less than you normally eat.

i forgot you could ever not want to be bigger ;).

"• Goals (what are you trying to achieve with AAS?)
Put on muscle mass, keep body fat low"

eat clean eat big ,get big n lean. =D
 
Thanks guys

I have exemestane on the way, they were out of stock of nolva.

I'm still sick as shit, but once I get in the gym and start lifting I start feeling better somehow. Hopefully I can sleep well tonight and feel better tomorrow. I'm up about 6 lbs., I can tell I'm retaining a lot of water. My strength is up a little. My last injection hurt a lot less than the other two. I injected much slower and rubbed it in well, I don't even feel it.
 
what brand test are you running bro ? I don't like what I'm reading honestly. Test flu , tren cough , these things are all a matter of the product and who is producing it how the produce it etc ....

I've ran 1.35 grams of supertest450 a week with no test flu, you know the read up on supertest ??
EACH ML OF SUPERTEST CONTAIN:
32 mg per ml of testosterone acetate
147 mg per ml of testosterone decanoate
73 mg per ml of testosterone propionate
73 mg per ml of testosterone phenylpropionate
125 mg per ml of testosterone cypionate

not a single problem. Then I have run cyp and gotten sick as a dog. It depends on the brand / source / legitimacy of the product.

*edit* What do you have access too , prop and epistane ? What else , let's work on a cycle that makes a little more sense for your goals. 400mg of test - cyp / 150 mg primo would be easy as hell on your body.... this cycle / sickness - worries me bro.
 
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