first cycle - 15, 12 or 10 weeks?

-Guido- said:
You don't have to prove yourself to me by posting a study. I will take what you say as truth, your one of a few in this forum that truly understand steroids.
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Its OK Mate, no dramas.... I wasn't suggesting You feel the effects after 2 days, merely blood plasma levels hit a peak after injection of the enanthate ester at about the 2 day point then gradually reduce to account for the half-life of that ester..... I don't feel significant strength or noticeable size gains till about 4-5 half-lives have elapsed...
The only effects you will experience after 2 days would be psychological ones..... Sorry if I was misleading ..!!
 
nolys said:
Yeah that's why I have the ldex its kinda a last resort for me ill use it If I need to.
Is there any reason why I couldn't use nolva + ldex to combat gyno until it goes away then just run the ldex until the end .5 oed then use the nolva again for pct, because I won't need it all for pct. I'm using liquid nolva
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Don't use a SERM (Nolva) with an AI (Arimidex) It has been shown to reduce the effectiveness of the AI.!! Use Adex on cycle only if needed... Save Nolva for PCT....

Nolva can inhibit IGF production in the body, No IGF, No hypertrophy......!!!

If effective lump removal is what you are after Nolvadex might be a better choice, with Adex after the Nolvadex to avoid the rebound from estrogen inhibition until the axis stabilizes.... (You shouldn't need it with your cycle)....................
 
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nolys said:
Thanks mate, every time I think I've got everything covered it seems as though I've missed something... I would love there to be a guide in 1 place that tells everything legitly about cycling instead of constant digging for info lol
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There is starter info. Check my starter cycle thread that is stickied.
 
-Guido- said:
There is starter info. Check my starter cycle thread that is stickied.
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Oh I know guido I started off with your starter cycle thread when I was doing my research, I mean every time I think I know everything I find something else.

The thing I missed was the rebound effect of nolva on gyno, nothing serious.
I know what I'm doing with my cycle, diet, training and pct
Its just some little things I'm missing out on

Anyway my package is en route to final destination according to usps tracking so the fun is about to begin!
 
Oh and with regards to your comment about stacking dbol with test for the first 4-6 weeks guido, I want to see how my body reacts individually to test before I start stacking shit. I'm playing this safe then gonna tinker with my cycle next time, maybe throw in some dbol.
And I'm gonna inject twice a week to keep my blood more stable
 
nolys said:
Every time I think I know everything I find something else.
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Ha! Don't berate yourself for that. That is the name of the game with steroids. There are so many variables from individual to individual and in general. I am still finding new things everyday myself as are others.
 
nolys said:
I want to see how my body reacts individually to test before I start stacking shit. I'm playing this safe then gonna tinker with my cycle next time, maybe throw in some dbol.
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Excellent. Excellent. This post is the greatest I have seen in a long time from someone who is starting steroids. With that type of attitude you are going to go far with your cycles and manage to keep yourself in good health.

This is how EVERYONE should be when taking the plunge into steroids.
 
Guido you probably can't remember my previous posts/threads but you were the first person to respond to a thread by me and it was you who warned me against some things so I also have to thank you for that. You started me off in my search for knowledge
 
Renz Envy said:
Good idea. On cyp, I never had issues with gyno, but bloating got pretty bad. Made me not want to run cyp again.

Now on prop, starting from week one I had pretty bad soreness in my nipples. Using nolva made it go away pretty quick.
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I've read something about this.. Although the Testosterone on the Propionate ester is exactly the same as Test-E, Cyp' etc... Something about the speed of its release into the bloodstream can cause hormonal issues with some people....
 
Renz Envy said:
Read some things regarding nolvadex having a rebound that causes gyno to worsen. Not too sure about the validity. Think it's only in higher doses.
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Nolva blocks the Estrogen receptor causing a temporary build up before it gradually reduces, I think this might be what you mean...
 
nolys said:
Or in 4-6 weeks... Gonna be a real pain in the ass waiting for it to start working...
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It hits the bloodstream after about 2 days so you ain't got long to wait, its the compounded half-lifes that give maximal blood plasma levels, with Enanthate that should be about 4-5 half-lifes or 21-26 days........
 
nolys said:
Will I feel anything after 2 days? From what I've gathered libido should increase after 3-4 weeks and strength gains in 4-6? What you reckon mate?
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We're all different M8'..... I've been on for longer than I can remember, so can't really remember how it used to be in the early days... But I recon you'll start to notice something by the end of the week.... If not sooner..... Let us know how you go on..!!
 
24 hours after my1st inject I went to the gym and noticed that I seemed to have a lot of energy and “wanted” it more and slight increase in strength but I'm putting this down to placebo:/ psychological.
Though I have felt weird today since after the gym not in a good or bad way though. Also probably in my head
 
Do most who are running 12 week cycles stop the injections on the 10th week or keep injecting till the 12th week and then wait the two weeks? Opinions seem to be varied on this one.
 
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