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Finally admitted to my doctor I have a problem with H, now what?

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xburtonchic

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He prescribed me 40 Norco yesterday, to be taken every 4 hours... he said "anything to stop you from injecting"... luckily he was really cool about it. I want to use them to quit, but using them as prescribed still has me getting horrible w/d's and I find myself taking yet another shot. I'm so sick of this. I never meant to fall into this lifestyle and I want out of it as quickly as possible. It's only been a few months and already I have complications from injecting... I injected into a joint and now it's infected and my wrist is paralyzed, and is apparantly going to take six weeks to heal. I'm over this shit but I can't deal with the full w/d's... no matter how hard I try, I just don't have the willpower to make it past like day two. I feel like I'm more sensitive to w/d's than other people or something, I don't know... even my boyfriend told me yesterday that he's never seen anyone kick as bad as I do, and he's been around a lot of that. It's freaking frustrating. :! What is the best way to use the Norco to get off the H with what I have? I also have two 8 mg Suboxone, and half of an 8 mg film. No access to benzos or sleeping pills unfortunately, just the Norcs and the Subs... but there has to be a way... any advice?
 
I would continue with the norcos as prescribed your body will adjust to the dose fairly rapidly. If its absoluly intolerable throw in some loperamide on top of the norcos. Once those are gone see how you feel before starting the suboxone. If you must start the sub take like 0.5 mg to start with and taper from there. Kicking is never pleasant but heroin withdrawl doesnt really last that long the struggle will be with PAWS.
 
Well Do you really really really really really wanna know the truth??? Or do you want me to tell you what you wanna hear???

3 Months of use and your already at your wits end. Took me close to 8 or so, and over 365 days in 3 different rehabs. before I finally kicked. You've just begun sweetheart. Its a visious cycle your gonna have to go thru. One min you wanna quit, next min you wanna use. Im guessing you wanna quit now cause you cant afford your heroin usage, thats usually when I wanted to stop. As long as I had money I didnt wanna quit. When Tax time came around Id blow thru 2 grand in a few days. I blew my 401K money which was 11,000 dollars in 3 weeks. I totally took my job that I had for 7 years and stole and blew that gig out the water. I stole from my parrents, stole savings bonds from my 1 year old at the time son, pretty much fucked everyone that got in my way!! This is all what you got to look foward to sweetie. Hey you wanted the truth didnt ya??


Now for what you wanted to hear:

You've got pleanty of enough suboxone to get you thru the worst of the wds. Like the other guy said start with half mg of subs, wait till your in withdrawls to take it. Than the next day do the same and taper your way off asap. This will work, but what are you gonna do to stay clean??

Listen if you really wanna stop this find the longest possible in patient rehab you can find. Theres alot of rescue missions that offer 1 year programs thats what I went thru. Go and get as much clean time as possible and listen to what they say, if you do this you just might save yourself the hassle of faceing this truth written above. Think about what I said......
 
Well one thing is for sure, I doubt your doctor will continue to supply you with norco after the last visit. Its pretty simple actually, you can stop using or continue using. I would say you sound like a good candidate for a supervised detox. Check out your local detox/rehabs.

Your b/f uses I assume?

good luck!
 
That was spent on crack and heroin. I had stoped using crack 2 or so years before I stoped using Heroin. That was a 3 week bindge, I was pretty much using non stop 24 hours a day, i was running down to the spot aprox 4 times a day. I go at 3 or 4 am, 7 am, 1 pm, And about 8 pm.

And when you can find a spot where a dope phene can buy a KG let me know. And you think Id trust anyone in the hood with this white boy and 11 grand? I wasnt that stupid.

I also left out a key point for the OP. When I went on this binge I had plans on killing myself at the end with a huge shot, but It didnt work and I thank God today for that cause I got my life back. But alot die in the struggle.
 
Is your doctor an addiction specialist or just a general practitioner? If your withdrawals are really that bad.. you might want to consult with a specialist who can advise you on what the right path is. General doc's usually don't give you more if you need it and don't treat you as you really need to be treated as a junkie..in my opinion at least. If you want to do it yourself.. that 20mg's of bupe you have would do it, but not in combination with the narcos. You could take the bupe until you're maintained and without withdrawal and then taper off. I know it seems really bad.. and it is bad, being sick sucks and it is definitely possible you get it worse than others because that's just how it is sometimes.. but it doesn't last forever. Remember that.
 
Could also try out Kratom. It works well for withdrawals but is inherently addictive in itself. It's less benign than buprenorphine or codiene even, and sold as incense, so it's cheap and the quality is good.

I'm not supporting kratom abuse or triggering, merely what I'd do after the norcos run out.
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I would continue with the norcos as prescribed your body will adjust to the dose fairly rapidly. If its absoluly intolerable throw in some loperamide on top of the norcos. Once those are gone see how you feel before starting the suboxone. If you must start the sub take like 0.5 mg to start with and taper from there. Kicking is never pleasant but heroin withdrawl doesnt really last that long the struggle will be with PAWS.
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This right here; the PAWS being the worst, and easiest time to relapse.
 
Of course I want to hear the truth... I wouldn't ask questions if I wanted some bullshit fed to me. lol. I am all too familiar with opiate withdrawal, going on four years of trying to manage my addiction now. Yeah I'm only three months into heroin, but that's kind of the point; I know exactly what I have to look forward to. This isn't a dicksizing contest, I'm seriously just at my wit's end with opiates in general.

So with that out of the way... I have a pretty good idea of what H withdrawals are like now compared to hydro/oc/subs... I'm happy that so far they seem more manageable than hydro withdrawals, which were the worst for me for some reason... but then again, my boyfriend and I are still tapering (yes he uses also.. I think someone asked?) I'm hella thankful to have someone doing it with me this time around tho.

Also, this morning I took a shot, and it was maybe a .07 if that, and I actually got a nice lil rush... so at least I'm doing well with the tapering. W/d's are still a bitch though, even with the Norcs :/ My boyfriend also picked up a sack for us at around 2 am and I haven't even touched it yet, so I'm pretty happy about where my self control is at too... then again, that could just be because I had a shot left over, but still. It's been five hours, and that's better than doing it every 2-3 hours like I was before :)

For the person who asked - my doc isn't an addiction specialist, but he WAS prescribing my Subs for a time before I started seeing a legit addiction specialist. He has a license, but says he can't prescribe it to me since he can only treat people with pill addictions... so I kinda screwed myself out of that one. I guess he's working with my insurance to find me a detox center though. And yeah, this script is the last of the Norcs... he made it very clear that I wasn't getting anymore than a week's supply. That's fine with me.

Honestly, I just want to be back on Suboxone. I hate myself sooo much for letting myself get into this situation. It's like one day I was taking my Subs, only .25 mg a day.... and the next I was mainlining H. I just want to be back to where I was before. I hate that I've lost so much weight already and that I constantly feel like shit and the people that do it and worrying about your next fix and that I've already gotten myself into a few hundred dollars debt... I seriously fucking hate myself right now. I just want to be able to start working again and going back to school as soon as possible. And to do that, I need to get back on Subs... which reminds me of another thing. My doctor straight up told me that he thinks I'm "one of those people who can never truly break free from opiates and will probably have to use Suboxone maintenance for the rest of my life... but it's okay, because it's safe." I really don't care how safe it is... that is the most depressing thing I have possibly ever heard. Not helping the depression/anxiety/raging bitch aspect.

Thanks for the suggestions guys, good stuff. Feel free to keep em coming :)

EDIT: Just reread the first paragraph, sorry... I'm such a raging bitch right now. What I really need are some benzos hah... but anyway, I didn't mean to sound that harsh. I'm gonna leave it though cause my point still stands and it's too much of a hassle to correct things I type right now since my wrist is in a splint lol

OTHER EDIT: I forgot to add, I actually DO have some Kratom. Yay. What's the best way to integrate that into my taper?
 
Sorry for the double post, mods, but I wanted to give a little update on where I'm at and it doesn't quite fit in with my other post.

So I've taken less H today than I have any other day, and surprisingly, it seems to be getting better. I'm doing really well with the tapering. I think the Norcs might finally be working, or it could be that today is the first day I've actively forced myself to eat three meals and keep down an array of supplements.

What I'm taking:
Magnesium
Vitamin C
Vitamin B-complex
Piracetam
Lion's Mane
Fish Oil
A supplement called "Sleep and Relax" with Valerian Root, Melatonin, and Chamomile
5-HTP
St. John's Wort
Norco

I think that's it. I also stumbled onto some Phenergan I had left over from a surgery a year ago. I have to say this stuff is absolutely brilliant for w/d's. I took one about 30 minutes ago and I'm actually catching a buzz from it not to mention my anxiety and stomach cramps are gone. Who knew a medication for nausea could do all that?! I'm definitely going to be savoring these four Phenergans I have for when the worst of it hits... other than the Magnesium, this has been a godsend more than anything else as far as helping the w/d's

I'm just hoping to keep staying strong after this... it's the full jump off that I'm worried about. Hopefully I can taper enough to make the w/d's become a dull roar, but I know better than to get my hopes up. Music is helping me immensely also. One day at a time...
 
Aww thank you, you are an awesome friend! :)

Soo I'm onto 13 hours without a dose. I'm uncomfortable and very very anxious, but it's nothing too crazy yet. I'm basically just counting down the hours until I can take a Suboxone... my withdrawals are only at a 20 on the COWS scale, and they need to be at 26. I know my boyfriend has some, but he's claiming he doesn't... kinda fucked up but whatever. I just pretended to believe him because I don't want to go through this again anyway. I'm already this far, why take another shot and have to relive the past 12 hours again? Seems pointless...
 
I'm actually going to a really great detox center tomorrow morning, for three days. It's on the beach and they have in-house meetings and daily group and individual therapy. My tolerance is basically down to nothing, so I'm hoping this will be a smooth transition... well as smooth as possible anyway. I know it will still suck but I imagine the mental part will be so much easier to deal with at least if I'm going to be forced into several meetings and therapy sessions each day I'm there. I don't know. All I know for sure is that I cried today for the first time, not out of the shittiness of withdrawal and anxiety and depression, but because I was so happy and because I finally feel hope for the first time... I'm gonna be okay :)
 
I am so excited for you! I have to say the center being located on the beach is certainly not a drawback. Make the most out of it because 3 days is not long. I hope you leave there with a lot of knowledge and inner strength! You deserve happiness and to be clean so much!
 
I hope I'm not out of line for saying this here. It doesn't sound to me like you are done yet. You have a strong romance with drugs, of all kinds, it seems. I, myself, am in a LTR with H, and couldn't quit if I wanted to.

Don't get me wrong, I wish you well, I hope everything works as planned, and you come out whole and content. I wish everyone could. But life just doesn't work that way.
 
J.D I feel what your saying. Its a viscious cycle.


3 months of heroin and already in Rehab/Detox

This is just the begginning I hate to say. I pray the best for this person though!! I hope to God they get it the first time, but if we go by numbers, theyve got a better chance hitting the lottery.
 
J.D. said:
I hope I'm not out of line for saying this here. It doesn't sound to me like you are done yet. You have a strong romance with drugs, of all kinds, it seems. I, myself, am in a LTR with H, and couldn't quit if I wanted to.

Don't get me wrong, I wish you well, I hope everything works as planned, and you come out whole and content. I wish everyone could. But life just doesn't work that way.
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I have great faith in xburtonchic.
 
Captain Heroin your a brave soul!!!

If you'd have put faith in me back when I was 4 months into my addiction Id have robbed you blind!!

I wish This person the best of luck though!! Never wanna see failure!! I hope they get it the first time =]
 
I learned a long time ago that Rehab is what you make of it. You get out of it what you put into it.

I remember my first rehab was in West Bloomfield Michigan called mapplegrove. I spent 19 day in that place. It was 12 steped centered. I remember it being like a country club. The food was Good, there was girls in there to with me so it made it fun. I just remember sitting in there waiting to get out so I could go and use. Which brings my next point. Dont go to rehab for anyone but yourself. If you go for someone else its not gonna work.

My advise to anyone in here looking for help is this. If you really wanna get clean commit yourself to a year long Rehab program. Usually the local rescue missions offer the one year program, also salvation army. Get as much clean time under your belt as possible before entering into the real world. Make a plan and stick to it, listen to your counslors. All this will give you greater chance of recovery. If anyone on this Site needs help Im always here. If you can make it to Michigan I know people at a year program thats free and I can get you into it just message me. I check my mail once a week usually. I hope everyone on here is having a blessed day!!! I pray the pain would go away!!
 
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