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I went to Kellenberg High School for 7-8th grade (the Latin School), and this sounds about right. The brothers there can get a little on the wacky side. Carrying a cross through the streets is a little bit much.

I am going to try and see this film within the next few weeks. Should be interesting since i have taken about 9 years of Latin while in school.
 
Read it. You know, I bet there are going to be a lot of similar stories regarding this film...I read on another board how one movie-goer saw a pre-teen girl (?!) go apeshit during the screening. Man, from being forced to watch the Disney channel to bringing your kids to The Passion/i]; wonders never cease.

Nachos? ;)
 
Morrison's Lament said:
I'm waiting for the porno remake.

--- G.

I don't really know how this film will effect the marketability of the movie script I'm writing. The working title is Rex Goldbaum: Space Rabbi.
 
pr0ficient said:
I heard in school today that some lady had a heartattack while watching the movie and died last night!
I heard this too, and laughed
I'm sorry but it is still just a movie of how one man, Mel Gibson, feels.
I don't think I will ever see this movie, I hate subtitles
 
one of those fox news guys said the other day, a Movie made Pro Jesus gets one group excitied and one group angry, A Movie Made Not so Pro Jesus, example, Last Temptation and take the group excitied and make them angry , take the group upset and make them excitied.

i wonder if that talking head watched either film. while the last temptation of christ certainly was considered sacreligous by some, it was absolutely not anti god. people with no ownership of their beliefs or intelectual prowess dont like to have the core elements of their faith tested. THATS what angered christians. oh and btw im quite sure Scorcesse is catholic.

most of the people in an uproar over this film arent upset because it's pro god but because of the portrayol of jews as the killers of christ. this bit of "history" apparently is still being debated [ romans v jews].

either way, im pretty turned off by most of the reviews and probably will pass on the film based the rumored levels of gore.
 
Saw the flick, thought it was great. I found it extremely moving at times even though I am not at all religious. It was incredibly violent but the violence was in no way gratuitous.

As far as people stating that it was anti Semitic, I'd like to know what movie they were watching! Fact is that (if you believe the story or not) Jesus was a Jew, the people that he preached to were mostly Jews, the people who were most threatened by him (the high priests of the time who's power he challenged) were Jews, so really, the fact that he was persecuted by CERTAIN Jews in the movie isn't saying that ALL Jews are responsible for what is said to have occurred.

It shits me that people say it's anti-Semitic. There are parts in the movie that show people (Jews) opposing what the high priests were doing and when he's carrying the cross through the streets some people weep (Jews) while others taunt him (Jews). It doesn’t matter if you believe in the story of Jesus or not, the movie simply depicts the story as it is written in the bible (read John). It is what it is.

And as far as the violence yes, as I have previously stated, it was EXTREME but that said, wasn't that meant to be the whole point? I feel that people who criiticise this aspect of the movie totally miss the point... what the fuck do they think would have happened? The whole basis of Christianity was that Christ SUFFERED and died on the cross to save Mankind !!! Everything they did to him in that movie was done to thousands of others throughout the course of history, so get over it.

And as for you [edit - ad hom].
 
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I saw it last night, gut wrenching.

I think the movie was very well done in showing the true brutality of crucifixion. The church has adopted a watered down, romanticized view of Christ's death when in reality there's nothing glamorous about being beaten within an inch of your life then stapled to a tree and left to suffocate.

As I was watching the film, I observed the sentiment of his accusers/killers in relation to the sentiment still carried today, it's indentical. They ignore, mock, need to see-before-they-believe, and viciously hold on to their lusts.

It hit close to home because I can identify with every one of his persecutors when I want my sin.
 
what has killed me is the controversy around this film. christians are WAY to excited and jews are WAY too offended. im totally grossed out by churches buying out theaters and using this as an evangelical platform. lol if Mel fucking Gibson is your trump card, .......... i understand it must be a powerful film but this seems like a cheap way to line their pockets via some new recruits.

my thoughts exaclty...

i havent seen the film yet...but am curious to go see it. ive heard it suppose to be pulling in the new born people thick and fast...but i also think that the 'church' has gone...oooer mel gibson made us a movie....quick lets use it as a platform so we dont have to do any work......

ts suppose to be turning non believers into belivers. christians into more devout people and making a good lil profit...no doubt there are people outside the cinemas handing out lil bibles...givingout cards goin...come to our church next week and it will be the same as the movie! pffft 8)

i am a christian. etc etc...i have strong beliefs in god...but i think the religous public is making a mile out of a metre...i am also curious to see how out of context the movie has been taken and just how much of the orignal bible has been left out or mis placed...
 
Is it true that Jesus was scourged to such an extent that the whip marks left his body resembling a bloody pulp?

Answer: Scourging appears to have been a customary preliminary administered to those about to be crucified. The condemned, usually stripped naked, was beaten and mocked all the way to the execution site. Yet, at most, Jesus underwent a superficial scourging. According to Mark 15:20 and Matthew 27:31 the Roman soldiers "put his own outer garments on him" before he was led to the place of execution. New Testament confirmation that Jesus' scourging was mild (if it occurred at all) is found in this claim that he was given his own clothes to wear to the execution. On arrival at the execution site the clothes he wore, both his outer garments and his inner garment, were not bloodstained and torn by the whiplash of the blows struck as the condemned marched to his execution. If his clothes were blood-soaked and torn they would have been of no value to the soldiers. The author of John writes:


The soldiers therefore, when they had crucified Jesus, took his outer garments [imatia] and made four parts to every soldier and also the inner garment [khitona]; now the inner garment was seamless, woven in one piece. They said therefore to one another, "Let us not tear it, but cast lots for it, to decide whose it shall be;" that the Scripture might be fulfilled, "They divided my outer garments among them, and for my clothing they cast lots." (John 19:23-24; see also Matthew 27:35, Mark 15:24, Luke 23:34)
If Jesus wore clothing on a scourged ripped-raw body the clothing removed from him would be shredded and soaked in blood. For what purpose would the soldiers divide up such bloodied and torn clothing? The presumption must be that the clothing he wore to the execution site were in good, usable condition. It follows that Jesus' physical condition was not greatly altered by what the evangelists call a "scourging." Furthermore, the Gospels make no mention of scourging taking place at the site of the crucifixion. To take the New Testament's description of Jesus final hours at their word one would have to assume that a scourging was not inflicted upon Jesus.

Question: Ithas been told that Jesus shed his blood as atonement while in the Garden of Gethsemane on the night before his crucifixion. Wouldn't this be considered as a blood sacrifice on his part?



Answer: The reference is to an alleged bloodlike sweat reported by the author of the Gospel of Luke (Luke 22:44). A sweat of blood is not physically impossible. There are instances of hematidrosis, involving intense dilation of subcutaneous capillaries that burst into the sweat glands. The blood then clots and is carried to the surface of the skin by the sweat. The Gospel of Luke, however, does not speak of a sweat of blood but of a sweat so profuse that it was like blood. It describes the drenching perspiration as becoming "like drops of blood," but there was no actual blood. The shedding of sweat does not qualify as atonement sacrifice. Additionally, the Torah condemns any form of human sacrifice.

Question: What difference does it make if Jesus did or did not undergo serious blood loss while being prepared for or undergoing execution?

Answer: According to the New Testament, blood must be shed in order to obtain atonement. The author of the Book of Hebrews maintains that obtaining forgiveness of sin always necessitates that there must first be a shedding of blood (Hebrews 9:11-12, 22). Luke's Jesus claims that his blood was shed for his followers (Luke 22:20).

In the biblical blood sacrifice offering, a token blood letting is not sufficient nor is mere death sufficient. The sacrifice has to die through the shedding of blood. At no time did Jesus suffer blood loss to the extent of it being the cause of his death. Neither the blood loss due to the scourging (Matthew 27:26, Mark 15:15, John 19:1), the nail wounds (John 20:25), or crown of thorns (Matthew 27:29, Mark 15:17, John 19:2) caused Jesus' death. As a result, not only was Jesus' death not an everlasting atonement for sin it was not even a sacrifice.
Question: Did a Roman soldier shed Jesus' blood?



Answer: John 19:34 claims that "one of the soldiers pierced his [Jesus'] side with a spear, and immediately there came out blood and water." According to John 19:33, the Roman soldiers did not break Jesus' legs because he was already dead. Chronologically, John 19:33 established the time of the inflicting of the wound in Jesus' side (John 19:34) as subsequent to his death. John's sequence of events is contradicted in some manuscript versions of Matthew 27:49 which state, "And another took a spear and pierced his side, and there came out water and blood." This addition to the verse places the time of the inflicting of the wound as prior to Jesus' death. However, it is an interpolation unsupported by the best of the ancient New Testament manuscripts. Blood oozing from a wound inflicted after death does not qualify as the shedding of blood required of an atonement offering. The piercing of Jesus' body by a spear did not cause his death. Jesus did not die as a result of blood loss (Matthew 27:46-50, Mark 15:34- 37, Luke 23:46, John 19:28-30). Jesus' blood was not shed by a Roman soldier's spear, thrust into his side.

Question: Does Mel Gibson Portray these facts in his film
Answer:No
 
This has to be the best response I've heard:
There is only one thing to be said about Mel Gibson's version of "The Passion of the Christ": Forget the movie, read the book. It's good.
 
<<Another reason I say this is because it seems to me that ALL Catholics seem to be supporting this movie! I was real suprised by this after seeing the movie. The Catholic church has such strong beliefs against violent movies and video games yet they support the most violent movie I have ever seen! For the most part I could care less, but I am just suprised that I haven't seen ANY Catholics (and I know a lot) question the violence in this movie, or think that some of the actions and violence in the movie was a bit overdone. >>

My interpretation of this follows:

Catholics have a slightly different view of Jesus and the Crucifixion compared to Protestants, in my limited experience. For Catholics, it seems the presence of Jesus as a visceral being is very important; I think they're more interested in Jesus the Man rather than Jesus the Messiah. For Protestants, Jesus seems to be a quasi-mystical, charismatic figure who told parables, did a few miracles, and died as a martyr. For Catholics, He was literally a sacrifice for the damnable, eternal sins of humanity. Yeah, He did some miracles and told some stories, but the *real* points are that He was born into a body, and He died in a body. The rest is just details. In this way, I think Catholicism is much more focused on the physical rather than spiritual aspects of Jesus.

For instance, how many crucifixes--that is, crosses with Jesus on them--do you see in Protestant or non-denominational churches? Very few, if any. But in Catholic churches and households, it seems there's no getting away from them. Consider also the Catholic doctrine of transubstantiation, and the historical fact that Catholicism always rejected and fought against theologies of Jesus as more divine than human (and conversely, also against Jesus being fully human, but that's another story). Consider the fact that it seems like it's Catholic countries that have the most dramatic displays of piety, which are often mortifying. You know, there is a set of Catholics in the Phillipines who regularly re-enact the Crucifixion, even to nailing a volunteer to a cross (temporarily, I might add). If I remember correctly, there was another group in Spain who did the same thing. There are people in Mexico who tear their legs to shreds by making entire pilgrimages on their knees. No, Catholics are probably least likely to be upset by the images in Passion, IMO--notwithstanding the fact that a Catholic made it.
 
The more I hear about this movie, the more afraid I am to go see it. It's not that I can't handle "movie violence"..like the fake shit..but I know this movie is different..and I have a very personal relationship with jesus that makes me scared to see this..I'm afraid it will hurt too bad or make me throw up....

Maybe when it comes out on video...
 
I just saw this movie, and I just have to get this rant out.

First of all, I had to cover my eyes during many parts of it because the violence was unbelievable. This movie has to be on a top ten list of the goriest movies of all time.


Second, and really why I am ranting: some have said that the jews were not portrayed too poorly. They obviously were not watching the same movie I was.

In this movie:

The Jews turn over Jesus to the Romans and insist that he must be crucified.

The Romans initially refuse but, fear a jewish uprising so they agree to crucify him.

In one last ditch effort to avoid putting him on the cross, the Romans offer the jews a chance to save a prisoner and the choices are jesus or a mass murder (the romans figure that the jews will be forced to take jesus back to avoid releasing a murderer but the jews choose to release the murderer).

At this point, the romans realize they have no choice but to crucify Jesus.

First they torture him severely and hope this will be enough, it is not the jews still insist on the cross.

The jews watch and cheer the whole way.

Near the end, Jesus tells the roman who condemned him something like "those who delivered me to you , are more guilty than you." (I realize this line is subject to interpretation, but there will be plenty who will interpret this to mean the jews)

Most ppl do not dispute that the Jewish leadership was not overly fond of Jesus, who claimed he was the Messiah and the son of g-d. Still, if the jewish leadership wanted to kill him, they would have killed him in a jewish court. There was no reason to turn him over to the romans so this part of the movie makes no sense. Finally, the jews were not stupid, if in fact, he was gaining followers, they would not have made a martyr out of him-as the Romans did.

(In the movie, the Jewish leader says "you know, we cannot condemn him to death"-but the movie makes no attempt to explain this and it is flatly false-although rare, jews were given the death sentence by jewish courts and if the jews wanted to give jesus the death sentence they could have.

Mel Gibson is free to spew whatever hatred he wishes, but thats what this movie is.

Its a shame, because take out the extreme gore and the jew bashing (which I suppose most normal ppl wont focus on), and it actually was pretty moving.
 
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I just saw this movie, and I just have to get this rant out.

First of all, I had to cover my eyes during many parts of it because the violence was unbelievable. This movie has to be on a top ten list of the goriest movies of all time.


Second, and really why I am ranting: some have said that the jews were not portrayed too poorly. They obviously were not watching the same movie I was.

In this movie:

The Jews turn over Jesus to the Romans and insist that he must be crucified.

The Romans initially refuse but, fear a jewish uprising so they agree to crucify him.

In one last ditch effort to avoid putting him on the cross, the Romans offer the jews a chance to save a prisoner and the choices are jesus or a mass murder (the romans figure that the jews will be forced to take jesus back to avoid releasing a murderer but the jews choose to release the murderer).

At this point, the romans realize they have no choice but to crucify Jesus.

First they torture him severely and hope this will be enough, it is not the jews still insist on the cross.

The jews watch and cheer the whole way.

Near the end, Jesus tells the roman who condemned him something like "those who delivered me to you , are more guilty than you." (I realize this line is subject to interpretation, but there will be plenty who will interpret this to mean the jews)

Most ppl do not dispute that the Jewish leadership was not overly fond of Jesus, who claimed he was the Messiah and the son of g-d. Still, if the jewish leadership wanted to kill him, they would have killed him in a jewish court. There was no reason to turn him over to the romans so this part of the movie makes no sense. Finally, the jews were not stupid, if in fact, he was gaining followers, they would not have made a martyr out of him-as the Romans did.

(In the movie, the Jewish leader says "you know, we cannot condemn him to death"-but the movie makes no attempt to explain this and it is flatly false-although rare, jews were given the death sentence by jewish courts and if the jews wanted to give jesus the death sentence they could have.

Mel Gibson is free to spew whatever hatred he wishes, but thats what this movie is.

Its a shame, because take out the extreme gore and the jew bashing (which I suppose most normal ppl wont focus on), and it actually was pretty moving.
 
miamistu said:
The Jews turn over Jesus to the Romans and insist that he must be crucified.

The Romans initially refuse but, fear a jewish uprising so they agree to crucify him.

In one last ditch effort to avoid putting him on the cross, the Romans offer the jews a chance to save a prisoner and the choices are jesus or a mass murder (the romans figure that the jews will be forced to take jesus back to avoid releasing a murderer but the jews choose to release the murderer).

At this point, the romans realize they have no choice but to crucify Jesus.

First they torture him severely and hope this will be enough, it is not the jews still insist on the cross.

The jews watch and cheer the whole way.

how do these events compare to the version of these events as related in the bible?

alasdair
 
It is a movie pure and simple, on what Mel Gibson sees from his point of his religion. It is not a movie of propaganda, not an attempt to convert non-believers to the religion nor any other attempts to strengthen any Christian's belief any further than they already are.

It is a movie that somewhat chronicles the last 12 hours of Christ's life - I believe why it's receving so many bad comments is the simple fact that no one can accept the actualy goryness that happened, the pain he went through in his last hours of his life. If anyone thinks it has way too much violence, I'd suggest they go watch the Cartoon Network or the Disney Channel where everything's peachy and bloodless somewhat.

The movie actually protrays what is written in the Bible. If you think it's way too violent, or that it's taken out of context, maybe it's time to read the Bible again.
 
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I've seen the movie and I wouldnt recommend it. Its just one of those hollywood flicks where the commercials better then the movie. About 2/3 of it is him being whipped, tortured and beaten up. Theres a few nice religious quotes thrown in and not much else.

I dont think its against jews necessarily, as jews werent the ones to kill him. He was killed by a religious institution that was around back then. Its hardly something new, churches tend to kill/judge and punish people throughout history.

Some parts of it have been obviously added just to sock and frighten people, they dont add anything to the story just make it very dramatic.
 
miamistu call me crazy but thats almost excatly how it plays out in the bible, jews want him dead, romans see no reason why, romans decide to offer them a choice between Jesus and barabbas SP?? but before they do they have Jesus purged so that way he might get more mercy, a whole has this man not recivied enough thing, then Pilate washes his hands and turns jesus over to he crowd. It just so happens the crowd was jewish
 
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