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film: the passion of the christ

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Make a religious movie and your a narrow minded ignorant fanatic.

Don't approve of homosexual activity and you're a homophobe!

GO FIGURE!
 
the guy who plays jesus is a catholic like gibson, go figure

he actually declined to get paid for making out with ashley jud in a movie .......lol......and to render hype behind his movie this blue eyed jesus is claming he got struck by lightning while making the movie..........lovely

the passion is a movie compleetly dedicated to the death of christ, anti-semitic or not, I think it's emphasis is the foundation of christianity, he died for your sins.

so it seems a good enforcer to have people line up to bare arms and prosalitize the right/no obligation to sin across the world.
 
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I dont understand why you have to call him a fanatic DD?
maybe b/c he is and he can never look past the Bible..(in reference to dimmo)

In reference to Gibson.. as stated below.. he's a self proclaimed strict religious man. ANd he spent millions upon millions on this film of his own money. Just to play it in the indie curcuit. It wasn't expected to blow up as it did and make it out of the indie circuit. That to me.. seems a little fanatical in itself.

I do applaud him though for using his artistic talent to represent a piece of who he truly is rather than playing a role in a cheesy hollywood blockbuster over ran with stereotypes. At least he's proud of who he is.


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Make a religious movie and your a narrow minded ignorant fanatic.

Don't approve of homosexual activity and you're a homophobe!

GO FIGURE!

Actually i plan to see this movie. It's not the movie that has pissed me off. The image of Mel Gibson has kinda disappointed me.. and i think Gibson is a self proclaimed fundamentalist.. since i've done some reading. I never knew that before. I still think he's a great actor.

I think the movie will be interesting. It's just the Christian's right winged hypocrisy on children viewing violence that has my blood boiling.
 
ANd he spent millions upon millions on this film of his own money. Just to play it in the indie curcuit. It wasn't expected to blow up as it did and make it out of the indie circuit.

That's very naive, this movie made major headlines even before it was made, it got enormous free publicity , so Mel is a very good businessman aside from what you guys think of his religious motives. He knew controversy sells and that he would cash in big time on this movie.
 
I like mel gibson, sure he is a good busness man, he is a great actor, he is funny, charming, good looking, but this shit is dangerous, plane and simple.

yah it is a hypocracy to allow jesus to bleed al over the place and say it is ok but that is just to be expected as everything is put aside for this religion, the constitution, peace, seperation of church and state, religious predjudice, genocide, equal rights and the very stability of our democracy is on edge because we did not die in 2G
THE APOCOLIPSE MISSED IT'S WINDOW and now we are watching the beggening of countless struggels to side track us from accepting christianity had exceeded it's experation date. This is just the beggening of a long and bloody rise to awareness.
 
many people see god as divined by man , making man god, although that is not exactly what I believe but close

maybe this will makes since to you

what god wants by roger water of pink floyd
God wants peace
God wants war
God wants famine
God wants chain stores
What God wants God gets
God wants sedition
God wants sex
God wants freedom
God wants semtex
What God wants God gets
Don't look so surprised
I'm only joking
The alien comic cried
The jackass and hyena
Took the feather from its hook
The monkey in the corner
Wrote the joke down in his book
What God wants God gets


God wants boarders
God wants crack
God wants rainfall
God wants wetbacks
What God wants God gets
God wants voodoo
God wants shrines
God wants law
God wants organised crime
God wants crusade
God wants jihad
God wants good
God wants bad
What God wants God gets
 
Well yea man, I understand what you are saying, yet i do not understand the relevence. Also, i don't understand the "yah it is a hypocracy to allow jesus to bleed al over the place and say it is ok but that is just to be expected as everything is put aside for this religion, the constitution, peace, seperation of church and state, religious predjudice, genocide, equal rights and the very stability of our democracy is on edge because we did not die in 2G
THE APOCOLIPSE MISSED IT'S WINDOW and now we are watching the beggening of countless struggels to side track us from accepting christianity had exceeded it's experation date. This is just the beggening of a long and bloody rise to awareness." ...this just kind of seemed wierd to me ;O
 
Antinazi- You really need to look into some professional help... but anyways...

Crazeee- Ok people have said this film has been made for a year or two, i've only seen anything about it for maybe the last 6 months maybe.... i never heard anything before it was made. Also mel gibson has enough money why can't people accept that maybe he is a "fanatic" like DD says and did this because' it was a project that he truly believed in, without knowing someone or any proof how can you say it was based on money?
 
hitler was white, does that mean all white people are as evil as he was? just because this portrays some jews as killing jesus, doesnt mean its a slap at the entire religion/ethnic group. You can find people in any race or group who have done terrible terrible things, simply bringing these things to light does not constitute racism in any way shape or form
 
film: The Passion of the Christ

I have just returned from viewing The Passion of the Christ.

My eyes welled up a bit during the early part of the movie, but then the violence seemed a bit gratuitous.

The satan/evil figure was a bit much, in my opinion.

Overall, I would say that I expected more because of the hype, even if I was put off by interviews about the movie by Mel Gibson that revealed his fanaticism.

This article has a few salient points that I agree with:

The Passion of Christ

by The Rev. Cn. Mark Stanger

Last week, I attended a special pre-screening of Mel Gibson's The Passion of the Christ, set for commercial release on February 25th.

Charges of anti-Jewish content, gratuitous gore (giving it an R rating), and general fuzziness of concept have not been good omens for Mr. Gibson's self-financed, idiosyncratic portrayal of the final hours of Jesus of Nazareth.

I would not recommend the film to a devout Christian, skeptical Jew, or avid Hollywood buff. My fairly traditional Catholic 76-year-old mother, who accompanied me, found it "plodding" and the protracted violence of the torturing of the captured Jesus turned her stomach; she lasted till the end in order to see Gibson onstage, interviewed by the local pastor. (Telling about it at bridge later that week would be quite a trump card, worth any temporary discomfort.)

As a life-long Christian and lover of Jesus and the implications of his life and death for humanity, I found the film dull, trashy, and historically and biblically unsound. It's potentially as harmful to Christians as it may be for Jews.

The determined effort to give a patina of historical authenticity (which could be challenged on many essential points) is expressed most obviously by the use of Aramaic and Latin. Mr. Gibson, in the interview, said it was to add an air of "mysterious reality". Maybe so, but putting another language into a film doesn't necessarily add to its historical accuracy or truthful storytelling.

More disturbing was his second reason for the language barrier. He compared it to a film depicting ferocious Vikings descending with all their barbarous intent and weaponry on a peaceful village. "To have them step off the ship, ready to attack, but speaking English, would diminish the sense of such a frightening confrontation. The same goes for those who put Jesus to death." Apart from the logical inconsistency (the speech of Jesus and his followers was also subtitled, after all), the idea that more brutal terror would be evoked by non-English speakers strikes me as chillingly xenophobic.

The film's anti-Jewish bias magnifies what the Christian scriptures do indeed contain: a growing discomfort between this wild new group of Jews for Jesus and faithful mainline Jewish groups of that time and place. But having the temple high priest Caiaphas as the prominent cheerleader demanding crucifixion unduly villainizes him and the faith tradition he represents. The focus on Pilate's hand-washing (only in Matthew's account) reinforces the perception that the "blame" is laid squarely on the Jews. This is, of course, preposterous and offensive to Jew and Christian alike: Christian theology -- and even a bit of this fragmented film -- affirms that the death of Jesus was freely accepted and necessary. Complicity in his death is shared by the Roman occupying power (the charge and the sentence were theirs), religious traditionalists (who happened to be Jewish), an out of control mob, and, most significantly, by the weak and spineless disciples of Jesus.

Mr. Gibson's larger bias, regrettably shared by thousands, is that the Gospels have been diluted of their power by "revisionists" -- his disdainful word for the past two generations of faith-filled, critical scholars of the texts, including the startlingly enlightened and coherent official principles for biblical interpretation promulgated by the assembled bishops of the Roman Catholic Second Vatican council of the 1960's. Gibson further dismissed the idea that the gospel writers had "agendas", a concept that puts him firmly outside official Catholic teaching and all of mainstream Christian biblical interpretation. That wholesome tradition recognizes the very definite theological, pastoral, and spiritual agendas of the written gospels, not as eyewitness accounts, but as theological works (faith-filled screenplays, if you will) to answer questions and express divine truths in a particular time and place. The late Fr. Raymond Brown, in his masterful two-volume The Death of the Messiah or his profound little booklet A Crucified Christ in Holy Week, far outshines this $30 million piece of bizarre and lurid propaganda.

The violence-induced "R" rating is compared by the film's promoters to the same rating given to "such fine films as Schindler's List and Saving Private Ryan." The biblical accounts are supremely less wanton and morbid. The Gospel writers straightforwardly and soberly state that after arriving at Golgotha, "There they crucified him." Only Hollywood, or an overactive and distorted religious imagination, would add such details, literally ad nauseam.

When the pastor-interviewer tried to commit him to doing more biblical films, Gibson squirmed and wisely said, "there are a lot of good stories out there." Indeed, the greatest literature and films often illuminate the mysteries of human suffering, redemption, salvation, forgiveness, brutality and betrayal, renewal and resurrection. For "religious" inspiration, it's often best to skip Hollywood altogether and find a generous group of praying believers. Or go for Hollywood's best and noblest offerings. The Passion of the Christ is not among them.

:)
 
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Two things here:
Firstly, this is the first reasonable accurate depiction of the torture Christ endured after his sentencing by Pilate. The violence in this movie is the point, the torture is the point! The Romans were no bunch of sissified assholes in leather skirts , Roman torture was gruesome and terrible! Remember these guys watched people get eaten by lions for ENTERTAINMENT!
EVERY single depiction of the crusifixion thus far ahas been some bloodless whitewash witha little dribble of blood oozing from the crown of thorns around Christ's brow , what a load of horse shit. The Romans tortured the man to death, no bones about it. We're talking about torture using a whip called a "scourge" , which is the root of the word as we use it today, the thing had four inch metal barbs at the ends, and is used to literally flay the skin and muscle from the body. After the first blow is struck, they had to literally PRY it from the victim's body because it didn't work well until it was drenched in blood.

Secondly, The Jews had a choice to save Barabus or save Christ, they chose the thief and murderer. BUT it is ludicrous to perpetuate animosity from an event that occurred two millennia ago. Although no racial group is lilly white when it comes to the persecution of others ( especially white anglo-saxon protestants AND the Catholic Church ), it is asinine to reach across two thousand years of history for a reason to persecute someone.


Christ said "LOVE thy neighbor!", not look for a reason to hate , resent or persecute him. Maybe Christians should actually take these things to heart instead of always looking for a way to make themselves feel superior.
 
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watched it tonight, and was deeply moved. don't have any criticism other than that this is an interpretation of the gospels- and i think they pulled it off nicely. my pastor advised that it's something i should watch, not necessarily something i'll want to watch- i think that was fitting advice.

i cried.
 
^^^^Good points!!

I think what everyone is forgetting here is that this movie portrays a society reflective of the times. Whether you like it or not, this is how people acted 2000 years ago. Do we still look at the Germans in the same way today because of what they did 60 years ago? No. So then why are people leaving this film saying it's anti-semitic? Because people can't understand a situation without involving their own feelings of selfishness. This is obviously a movie made from a religious point of view and naturally it will be bias to other groups. If everybody could get their heads around this, then there would be no need to debate this movie. Christ will always be a controversial subject and no matter who makes a movie about him, there will always be people disagreeing on it. . . . . and if you walk out of this movie hating anybody, then you're just an asshole. It's only a movie for Christ's sake! . . . . no pun intended!

As for the violence, some people need to retake a history class or two. 2000 years ago, they didn't just write you out a ticket or put you in jail. You were BRUTALLY punished and made a spectacle of in public, that was the custom at the time.

Oh, and antinazi77. . . . . . . . . .you're a [edited--play nice]!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Your ideas are just as fanatic and narrow minded as the people you complain about.
 
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All these f@$&*ng religous do gooders bashing on about it is as being anti-Jewish blah, blah, boo hoo is starting to get rather boring.

Seen it, thought it was a very well put together STORY and quite moving. Thought the use of subtitles sometimes a little frustrating however agree with Gibson they were essential for dramatic effect. 3.5/5

"and historically and biblically unsound." 8)

might as well believe in santa claus.

/no disrespect intended/

:|
 
My family is catholic, and I have attended a Catholic School my entire life (and still am). Many schools, churches, and priests have been promoting and selling tickets to this movie for the past month. Many priests have said that this is the most accurate portrayal ever made. They said that everyone needs to see it, and even take their young children to see it. Various schools around my area have taken fieldtrips to see this movie. After hearing all of this hype I checked out some reviews and heard how grusome and terribly violent the movie is. So I decided to see it last night.

Now, I have been taking religion classes my entire life, and even though I find them incredibly dull....and don't believe many of the beliefs myself, I know the basic beliefs, interpretations, traditions, and stories of the Catholic Church because it has been put in my head over and over for years. So, after seeing this movie I did think it was very accurate in portaying specific Catholic historical beliefs of what exactly went on during the crusifiction of Jesus. Even though I am certainly not a firm believer in the Catholic faith by any means, and don't particularly believe that this kind of severe and brutal kind of execution actual took place as it was portrayed in this movie, I enjoyed the movie and feel that people of any religion, even athiests, could also enjoy the movie. I thought the story was presented very well, I also thought the acting was very good and appropriate. I thought the editing, effects, visuals, and the portayal of Rome and settings throughout the movie were very stunning. I didn't mind the subtitles at all, and never have. I thought they added a different twist to the movie, and made it more interesting. After seeing the movie I felt that even if I had not been raised Catholic, and hardly knew the story of Jesus, I would still have liked this movie as a film. And as a film I thought it was done very well.

One last thing though, I have seen many violent movies throughout my life and have to say this has to be one of, and possibly the most grusome, gory, and violent movies I have ever seen. I have never cringed while watching any film like I did at this one. I don't see how anyone could survive as long as he did in the film. The violence and gore is EXTREMLY realistic, almost to the point of nausea for some I'm sure. And after growing up watching the most violent and gore-filled movies and playing the most violent video games I have never seen anything like this! So I don't know why schools are taking fieldtrips to this movie in the first place. Even if this is exactly how the Catholic church feels the crusifiction happen, I don't think any kids should be watching this. It could give them nightmares for years!

So, I would defiantly recommend this movie to almost everyone. It defiantly changed the way I had envisioned the crusifiction happening.
 
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