Film: Clerks 2 (merged super-de-duper thread!)

[wanderlust]

poll added %)

[i thought there was another thread on this movie, but i can't find it.]

there is.... and so merged.

 

[The Frog]

Okay I just got back from the theater and here's my report on it....

Honestly I liked it...definately was not as good as the first one. But a good watch and still funny. I liked the Lord of the Rings jabs...actually I felt the same way about Frodo and Sam being flaming homosexuals. The Donkey show was pretty fucked up....

Jay and his little Silence of the Lambs dance...that was pretty funny...Though when he was standing there naked with his "stuff" tucked in, I let out a loud "Oh fucking god!" in the theater for everyone to hear...caught me off gaurd on that one...

I like the film...I really do...However I must say that I hope it is the last Jay and Bob flick...I think its just come full circle and theres nothing left to be done...The first Clerks was a masterpeice of comedic film and started the saga...they met God and saved the world...Traveled the country...and now with Clerks 2 its like the whole story has come full circle...the ending of the film seemed to provide much closure and all is right. I liked the ending too...happily ever after. So I hope Kevin Smith lets Jay and Bob gracefully bow out and let that be the end of it...I mean reallly what else is there for them to do...so its cool...

Officially Clerks 2 is a good flick...though obviously not as good as the original. No sequal is...But worth watching....

 

[poopie]

^ only the very beginning of the film was black and white. I think you are correct, when the film turned to color I thought the black and white format was more than appropriate.

huh?

how many pots have you smoked?

=)

 

[wanderlust]

i cant believe no one posted this yet. it happened last week.

So last night, at a press screening of “Clerks II” in New York City, “Good Morning America” movie critic Joel Siegel decided he’d had enough of my shenanigans, and walked out of the flick at the forty minute mark. You’d imagine this would bother me, and yet, I’m as delighted by this news as I was with the eight minute standing ovation “Clerks II” received in Cannes.

I mean, it’s Joel Siegel, for Christ’s sake. As Paul Thomas Anderson once said of the man, getting a bad review from Siegel is like a badge of honor. This is the guy who stole his mustachioed critic shtick from Gene Shalit years ago, and still refuses to give it back. This is a guy who seemingly prides himself on being “punny” - that is, he likes to add his own nyuk-nyuk wordplay into the reviews he writes/gives.

For “Pirates 2?, he made us all titter with “Yo, Ho, Ho and a Bottle of Fun”.

For Pixar’s lastest, he made us squeal with delight when he wrote “Wheelie Good Time for ‘Cars’”.

Can you believe he somehow not only made us laugh, but also think, when he challenged our perception with “X-Men’ Fails to X-cite”?

I mean, Fozzy fucking Bear laughs at this guy (AT, mind you, not WITH).
So while I feel like my life will be a little bleaker now that I’ll never know what pun Joel would’ve dug deeply into his comedic well to produce for “Clerks II” (”‘Clerks II?’ More like ‘Jerks, Too’!”), I’ve gotta admit that I’m relieved somebody was finally offended by the flick - enough to head for the exit less than an hour in. I was beginning to think I was losing my touch.

I can’t fault Mr. Siegel for feeling “revolted” (his producer’s description of Joel’s reaction) by our flick; in truth, there is a donkey show in it, and I recognize that brand of whimsy might not be for everybody. Film appreciation is very subjective, and maybe Joel just isn’t into ass-to-mouth conversations.

However, I CAN fault him for the manner in which he left the screening.

Apparently, rather than quietly exit, both Joel and his Cum-Catcher (my slang for the fancy kind of mustache he sports) made a big stink about walking out, calling as much attention to himself as possible, and being generally pretty disruptive.

Check this shit out: roughly forty minutes into the flick, when Randal orders up the third act donkey show, Siegel bellowed to his fellow critics “Time to go!'’ and “This is the first movie I’ve walked out of in 30 fucking years!'’

Now, I don’t need Joel Siegel to suck my dick the way he apparently sucks M. Night’s, gushing over his flick before he’s even seen it; but shit, man - how about a little common fucking courtesy?
Never mind the fact that when you’re paid to watch movies for a living and the only tasks required of you are to a) sit through said movies and b) write your thoughts about them before your deadline, walking out before a movie’s over is pretty unprofessional. Never mind the fact that the scene he was offended by (the ordering of the donkey show), with its (misleading) crude references is only the set-up to a third act pay-off that is a true bait-and-switch from where Joel’s imagination went (and if you’ve already seen the flick, you KNOW what I’m talking about). Never mind that this dude is so straight-laced in his tastes and hyperbolic in his praise that when The Onion took a poke at Joel, I was almost unsure whether it was a joke or not…

You never… NEVER disrupt a movie, simply because you don’t like it.

Cardinal rule of movie-going: shut your fucking mouth while the movie’s playing. They even ask you to do so in the pre-show run-up to every flick (”Cell phones and pagers off, no talking during the show”). This guy went beyond talking, even; he was making a spectacle of himself as he left. I’ve now spoken to three folks in attendance last night, and all have said that Siegel WANTED everyone to know how disgusted he was, and that he was leaving. If you want to share your displeasure with everyone, that’s fine, dude; just do it AFTER the movie, not during. Some folks were enjoying themselves. I don’t come down to your job and slap the taste out of your mouth for coming up with a line like “‘Shark Tale’ Is a Halibut Good Time”; so don’t fuck with my stuff WHILE IT’S STILL SCREENING.

Shit, Joel, I know you like being on camera and all, but was it so difficult to not be the center of attention for 40 minutes that you just had to sparkle, Neely, sparkle-it up for your peers instead of showing them a little goddamn courtesy by leaving the theater the way most people do, either during or after the picture: quietly? What are you, a twelve year old boy, cutting loose with your pals at a Friday night screening of “Scary Movie 4? while your parents are in a theater down the hall watching “The Devil Wears Prada”? Leave the diva-like behavior and drama-queen antics to the movie stars, not the movie reviewer, ya’ rude-ass prick.

It makes me laugh to think that, had Joel stayed ’til the end (like any good critic would for any movie they’re paid to watch), he would’ve seen that we weren’t going where he seemed to think we were going. But apparently, Joel took a cue from his own “Poseiden” review, in which he wrote “Audiences today wouldn’t stand for an hour of exposition before the flood hit. In fact, they wouldn’t stand; they’d walk out.” Well, Magnum (y’know - because of the mustache), I guess you’re a member of that same audience that can’t stand exposition.

Look, I don’t hate the guy. Shit, I’m glad he survived his fairly recent bout with cancer. But his behavior in that screening was unconscionable and professionally unethical, not to mention childishly disruptive. And while I might get laughed at for saying this… well, I just expected more from Joel Siegel.

*sigh*

UPDATE!

The New York Post ran a rather large item about this story on Page Six today, and this morning on the Opie and Anthony Show, the guys and I were talking about the whole Affair du Siegel. Then, the guys got Mr. Mustache on the phone. What follows is pretty fucking entertaining radio and a fascinating insight into the hubris that comes with being the “punny” movie critic on “Good Morning America”.

http://silentbobspeaks.com/?p=263 (with a sound clip from the O&A show with kevin and seigel speaking)

 

[drrty grrl]

^hell yeah.... the entire 15 minute conversation between him & siegel is classic. siegel is a douche. the guy is suppose to be a professional, not to mention he gets PAID to watch movies & critique--not only does he walk out, but he makes a huge stink about the fact that he's walking out. it's quite funny to listen to but also frustrating--siegel sounds like he's on drugs. at first he doesn't even realize he's talking to kevin! oh well... it got publicity for Clerks II!

 

[whoruntings]

i thought the dialouge was sharp. jay and SB were funny, mostly. i liked it, overall.

 

[lostpunk5545]

I thought K. Smith and the other guy were being a bit cuntish themselves in that radio interview.

They don't really give him a chance for defence and keep repeating the same thing over and over and cutting him off. And even when he apologises they just keep at him.

But I don't know who this Siegel is so maybe he deserved it.

 

[wizekrak]

^^^
True, after he apolagized what else do they want? Seems like they're trying to squeeze blood from a stone, or just have a laugh at his expense.

 

[wanderlust]

a laugh at his expense? on opie and anthony? no way!

 

[wizekrak]

I live in Canada we don't even get Howard Stern (unless it's on the E! cable channel). Similar shock jock style humour?

 

[knight_marshall]

I've been avoiding this thread until my download finished. Now I've just finished watching the movie and... I laughed my ass off at least 15 times. Smith is like the king of all dialogue. To the person that compared him in originality to Lucas... ur an idiot, plain and simple.

I loved the feel of this movie too... it felt like not only did the storyline suggest a coming of full circle, but Smith's script and directing aswell. Almost felt as if he was trying to say "Ok guys, sorry for all that big-budjet bullshit I tried to play with, I'll go back to making classic's with only a little bit of money." Of course, nowadays a lil' money to him is a lot more than when Clerks was made, but it still had moments of amatureness that I can only put down to being purposefully created.

Needless to say, if you liked his other movies, see this one asap. but it will always be Mallrats FTW!
Mallrats > Clerks > Dogma > Clerks II (although this might change with repeat watching) > Chasing Amy (and thats where I stopped until now)

 

[Pokesmot]

Kevin Smith is the worst dialogue writer out there IMO. The only way you can appreciate the shit that he spews is if you are a giant nerd. I dont want to watch a movie with people talking about star wars or that faggy lord of the rings crap.

Clerks 2 was definitely better than the first one since it had some funny moments but I can understand why several people walked out of the movie because the dialogue is unbearable at some points

 

[drrty grrl]

The only way you can appreciate the shit that he spews is if you are a giant nerd.

8)

I am proud to be a "giant nerd" then.

 

[wanderlust]

i did like it.
i dont care that dante and randal are 33 and still doing the same job and that this has gone on a little too long... because you know what, i see plenty of people in real life doing the same thing. and really, as someone within five years of their age... i dont have a full and percise life direction picked, mapped and started upon either. i like the finale afterschool special message of the film too.

the rehash of jay and silent bob doing exactly what they were doing in the first movie was actually pretty funny. the first time they stood out there, settled in and then the boom box came on i laughed, and i laughed at the dance. jay re-singing his song, good call. but.... i wish a little more new stuff had been thrown in. they could have had a bit more of a part. not another jay and s.b. strike back... but some more new dimension to their characters besides being hooked on jesus.

i think the back and forth of the trilogy vs. the other trilogy is the perfect way of offsetting the age and culture differences between then geeks and now geeks. it was freaking funny.

spotting the cameos, the pictures on the walls in mooby's, and all the other smith personal jersey touches was entertaining, but i guess for only fans that now the area or have seen the smith movies a few too many times. i rewinded maybe six times just to catch certain things.

what i didnt like? clerks walked a thin line of being made so well for such a small budget, was very funny and edgy- all this without having to go all the way to make you grossed out or walk out. clerks 2 went over the top past that line to try and keep its edge (such as the donkey show) and it was uncalled for. better verbal jabs and wit could have been used. like the porch monkey thing was a better toeing of the line than the whole donkey show.

and then they went the other way. there wasn't too much of the personal touchy feelly crap in the first one. the deadpan delivery of the dead guy and blow job in the bathroom was great. dante's stiff emotions about having the two girls and getting dumped... fit with that movie. this one way over compensated with throwing it one way with the sickness to the other way with randal pouring it all out in his fifteen minute 'i love you, as a heterosexual' speech. cute, touching and all that... but not expected or really welcomed. and while it did work as a means to an end (of keeping his life mate with him) it was a bit much for me. as mentioned before it does have shades of jersey girl in places like that.

i just have to state that i hate jason lee's reincarnation of himself as trash. i love lee... but i couldn't watch my name is earl for just this reason. i later learned to like the show, the humor and so on but only because it is lee. but really i am not too happy he shows up everywhere as this new persona now, and also in this new look in the film.

and really, am i missing something? dont remember something from the first movie? ... but what was with all the silence of the lambs references?


also, for any n.j.er's: august8 in red bank smith will be screening clerks 2 with extras and a q&a session before the flick. http://www.netflix.com/Roadshow?id=5342

 

[mongo_the_bad]

I absolutely loved this movie. I was seriously cracking up the entire time. Of course there were those 1 or 2 low points that most comedies have, but overall excellent jokes. The wit was sharp and cruel the whole way through and carried on from the original movie well without being a copy kat flick.

Plus I definately walked away with some excellent sayings...

Porch Monkey For Life

And dont forget kids...

Its not Beastiality its interspecies erotica.

 

[drrty grrl]

Plus I definately walked away with some excellent sayings...

Porch Monkey For Life

And dont forget kids...

Its not Beastiality its interspecies erotica.

~*Don't forget "Picklefucker" & the best one... "Pillow Pants"

 

[RegisteredStoneeer]

I live in Canada we don't even get Howard Stern (unless it's on the E! cable channel). Similar shock jock style humour?

i dont watch that show or anything but

Noone even in the united states gets that without the e channel..
what are you expecting all cable channels to give their shows to the crappy basic cable channels????

 

[knight_marshall]

Kevin Smith is the worst dialogue writer out there IMO. The only way you can appreciate the shit that he spews is if you are a giant nerd. I dont want to watch a movie with people talking about star wars or that faggy lord of the rings crap.

Rofl... considering he makes fun of Lord of The Rings, I don't see how you couldn't have enjoyed it...

I'm with you riotgrrrl... proud to be a nerd

 

[wizekrak]

i dont watch that show or anything but

Noone even in the united states gets that without the e channel..
what are you expecting all cable channels to give their shows to the crappy basic cable channels????

I meant that it isn't even on the radio up here, although I guess now he's on satellite radio. You can't even get the E! channel up here without a black market satellite dish (direct TV, etc...)

 

[wanderlust]

yes, similar to stern humor.

and really, just wanted to say... watching it the second time the movie was even funnier. the second time there were no preconceived notions, no expectations... but knowing what was coming up next and being able to relax made it more enjoyable.