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festival death due to " Benzo Fury" ?

Treacle said:
Notice I said batch, not stamp. A batch being one lot of similar dosed pills. Like, when people are raving about say, the orange 250 bombs - if someone sold you one at weekend, and the smell and taste were dead on, would you throw it away? I'm just saying a tested, new, batch of pills is better than a random white powder. Is that unreasonable?
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How do you know what the smell and taste of a tested batch are like without actually smelling and tasting those self-same pills? You can't rely on someone else's textual description to understand a smell or taste. Yeah sometimes it'll help but it is not reliable. In any case, most pills I've had have had no particular smell, that I can tell, and as far as taste goes, do you chew them? Most people don't ;) and the one's I have tasted have been nondescript.

Yes, it's unreasonable to suggest that if I have a pill from a dealer I can reliably tell by looking, tasting and smelling that it's the same contents as a pill someone else tested and wrote about online. Very unreasonable indeed! Those might not be the circumstances you spelled out, by the way, but it's what happens.

Also, lab tests can detect unidentified compounds - which means there's something 'new' in your pills, and they're not pure - so, your other statement was wrong.
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Well, I'm no chemist (are you?) so I can't say much definitively, but the basic tests that I'm aware of (Mandelin, Mecke, Marquis etc) will for various substances show "no reaction", so how the fuck can you know from "no reaction" that your pill contains some unknown substance?

Most people do not have access to the GC/MS tests which will reveal every fucking molecule, and those require interpretation which I am guessing could contain mistakes.

Personally I only feel comfortable with anything, pills or powders if I trust the source, because I don't really have any other way of knowing with anything like certainty what I'm dealing with.

Of course, I've still gubbed pills from some dodgy cunt in a nightclub, who hasn't, with varying degrees of success/failure. :D And of course pill testing and spreading what information it does reveal has an important part to play in harm reduction, but it can't be fucking reliable, due to the inherent flaws in the process.
 
I agree with Treacle.

If someone in Manchester is getting, let's say Green Transformers (I've just made that up btw) & they are spot on. Top notch pills. My dealer, who regularly has good pills, tells me the next week that he has Green Transformers in. Chances are they are going to be the same pills. If there was a gap of months between the report from Manchester & my guy in Glasgow having them I'd be more wary but if it was a recent report then I'd happily order & pay for as many as we needed. I've never tested a pill in my life & only ever been stung by pipz during the worst days of the drought (before I'd ever heard of piperazines). I go off internet & real life user reports.

In fact, even if some random in a club had Green Transformers during a reasonable timescale & they looked the same then I'd be willing to bet that they are the same.

Knock - Treacle said that a lab test would show unknown chemicals. Not a home test with an EZ test.
 
Jesus, you just saved me ranting, and probably put it more politely than I would have done. Nice one. ;)

Also, a lot of pills smell like aniseed, and MDMA has a very distinct taste - just from a lick. In my experience, anyway. When I got fucked over with pips, I could tell straight away that the taste was almost tangy - not bitter with that distinct aftertaste. So, yes, I trust reports and taste - in the sort of scenario Crackhead said. Do you just like arguing, knock? It's not a problem - I don't mind shooting you down, every single time. :D
 
Ismene said:
Merely being arrested means you can never visit the USA or many other countries.
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knockando said:
Fuck, I never realised this! What a load of cunt!
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To be fair, it's a bit more nuanced than that, knock. There's a thread about it somewhere but it's not that simple.

I've been arrested, and I've been to the USA (and Japan, which is also hardline on immigration) several times.
 
jancrow said:
To be fair, it's a bit more nuanced than that, knock. There's a thread about it somewhere but it's not that simple.

I've been arrested, and I've been to the USA (and Japan, which is also hardline on immigration) several times.
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Yes, but were you arrested for a crime of "moral turpitude"? Were you arrested for violations involving controlled substances? Those are the ones that get you. They spell out controlled substances in it's own category in case moral turpitude doesn't cover it.
 
Treacle said:
Jesus, you just saved me ranting, and probably put it more politely than I would have done. Nice one. ;)

Also, a lot of pills smell like aniseed, and MDMA has a very distinct taste - just from a lick. In my experience, anyway. When I got fucked over with pips, I could tell straight away that the taste was almost tangy - not bitter with that distinct aftertaste. So, yes, I trust reports and taste - in the sort of scenario Crackhead said. Do you just like arguing, knock? It's not a problem - I don't mind shooting you down, every single time. :D
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Fuck off!

All I'm saying is I would always trust MDMA (for example) from a trusted source more than a pill validated through a flawed sniff-and-see process.
 
knockando said:
Yes, but were you arrested for a crime of "moral turpitude"? Were you arrested for violations involving controlled substances? Those are the ones that get you. They spell out controlled substances in it's own category in case moral turpitude doesn't cover it.
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Oh OK you know how that one runs. Just making sure that that simplified version wasn't taken at face value.

No, I was arrested for criminal damage, ie painting trains.

Having said that gazillions of people who have been arrested for crimes of moral turpentine are in and out of the States like a trout without any problems at all, on the regular.
 
knockando said:
Fuck off!

All I'm saying is I would always trust MDMA (for example) from a trusted source more than a pill validated through a flawed sniff-and-see process.
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Haha. So would I, if you put it like that. ;) I bet your dealer doesn't do GC/MS tests, though, eh?
 
This is my dealer, yesterday:

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(makin' soapbar)
 
Yeah, standard dealer there. I bet knock's dealer's setup is FAR superior to that.
 
jancrow said:
Oh OK you know how that one runs. Just making sure that that simplified version wasn't taken at face value.
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Not sure why you think it was a simple version - if you've been arrested for a crime of moral turpitude then you can't complete the visa waiver form on the plane because it says "have you ever been arrested..". So you have to apply to the american embassy for a visa - which you ain't gonna get for a drugs arrest.

Yes, you can chance it and lie on the visa waiver form. If you're caught you'll be jailed, sent back on the next plane and put permanently on the american "Prize cunt" list and never allowed back into the country. So if you won't miss the plane fare and whatever you've paid for accomodation, then by all means go for it.

No, I was arrested for criminal damage, ie painting trains.

That wouldn't be relevant anyway - moral turpitude is drugs or violence as far as I'm aware. Maybe theft too.
 
You said 'merely being arrested means you can never visit the USA or many other countries'

which is a simplified version of

'being arrested for a crime of moral turpitude means you can never visit the USA or many other countries'.

Its meaning was changed by this simplification, that's all I was pointing out. Merely being arrested isn't enough to run this particular risk. Just clarification for anyone reading who hasn't gone over this ground before.
 
Drugs violations are mentioned in addition to crimes of moral turpitude, which suggests they are not crimes of moral turpitude, yet they are in some other way reprehensible. I do not know their logic, if they have any.
 
It's fucking insane, if they do lump simple possession in with acts of violence. Total other end of the scale...
 
Actually, assault isn't a crime of moral turpitude, nor are drugs offences. However, 'mayhem' is.

You, like me, can get a US law degree here.

There's something interesting relating to visa waivers too, but I can't be bothered to reword it slightly and pretend I knew it already for a change.
 
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