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festival death due to " Benzo Fury" ?

As a proud scouser I can say that I would never trust anyone from my city to deal anything less legal than alcohol

Some little shit of about 16 tried selling my girlfriend pink M's for £2 at parklife, I am hoping that if I wasn't there she wouldn't have bought them as she's naive to the whole business. While I don't believe in this whole prohibition business, I do believe however that anyone who fobs off PMA for MD is subhuman shite, I may have accidently let two bizzies know who were stood across the fence

Fucking hope I prevented some people from suffering that horrible shite. Seen a mate collapse from PMA poisoning and the aftermath, sure as hell don't want anyone else to go through it
 
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digitalpgs said:
Fucking hope I prevented some people from suffering that horrible shite.
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PMA is alright if you know it's actually PMA that you're taking and not MDMA. Gotta get the dose just right though. Feels like a more intense MDA, with stronger visuals and a much more mashed up feel to it. Had a bit of a speedy heart on it though, but not as bad as I get from a large cocaine binge.

Once was definitely enough though. Don't fancy dancing with Dr. Death again!
 
I can understand Ninae's point of view, though I don't agree with it. Prohibition causes more problems than it solves, particularly internationally, and I don't think it's justified. However, I'm not convinced that if all drugs were legalised there wouldn't be a commensurate rise in deaths/hospitalisations resulting from people taking drugs.

No matter how well people are educated about drugs, people are prone to doing stupid/reckless things from time to time. Universal access to things which can kill you with less than a mouthful, and are also quite fun for most people, increases
the risk. I don't buy that people who would want to do it already all have access to copius amounts for the right price.

There's a bit of a knee-jerk reaction about anyone questioning the holy cow of legalisation, but it's not a panacea IMO. Also there's a bit of the elitist attitude of 'idiots ruining it for the clued up folks', but that's humanity, and I bet a lot of us have been there at some point or other.
 
33Hz said:
PMA is alright if you know it's actually PMA that you're taking and not MDMA. Gotta get the dose just right though. Feels like a more intense MDA, with stronger visuals and a much more mashed up feel to it. Had a bit of a speedy heart on it though, but not as bad as I get from a large cocaine binge.

Once was definitely enough though. Don't fancy dancing with Dr. Death again!
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He was adament it was 'genuine md laaaaaa' and he was going around the tent trying to flog his wares to the people that looked the most fucked, basically selling it to the people most likely to suffer serious side effects from it. And it was Parklife so chock full of first timers who wouldn't know that a £2 pill is going to get you fucked for the wrong reasons
 
spudgun said:
I can understand Ninae's point of view, though I don't agree with it. Prohibition causes more problems than it solves, particularly internationally, and I don't think it's justified. However, I'm not convinced that if all drugs were legalised there wouldn't be a commensurate rise in deaths/hospitalisations resulting from people taking drugs.

No matter how well people are educated about drugs, people are prone to doing stupid/reckless things from time to time. Universal access to things which can kill you with less than a mouthful, and are also quite fun for most people, increases
the risk. I don't buy that people who would want to do it already all have access to copius amounts for the right price.

There's a bit of a knee-jerk reaction about anyone questioning the holy cow of legalisation, but it's not a panacea IMO. Also there's a bit of the elitist attitude of 'idiots ruining it for the clued up folks', but that's humanity, and I bet a lot of us have been there at some point or other.
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This is all completely true spudnuts but you can't just look at drugs in isolation. The fact that people are prone to do stupid things is not a fault of the person, or the drug, or the thing, but the fucking system which is a mince meat grinder as far as I can tell. I hate the violence of it so much I want to fucking destroy it so I'm utterly knotted with contradictions! GAH!
 
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digitalpgs said:
He was adament it was 'genuine md laaaaaa' and he was going around the tent trying to flog his wares to the people that looked the most fucked, basically selling it to the people most likely to suffer serious side effects from it. And it was Parklife so chock full of first timers who wouldn't know that a £2 pill is going to get you fucked for the wrong reasons
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I was at parklife and fortunately didn't bump into anyone shifting any pills (found a source for 2cb though, result!) i'd never buy any shit off the dodgy cunts that go shotting in that place. Last year my mate saw a couple of scallies getting searched as everyone is on the way in, they had a JD carrier bag completely full of pills. I bet the OB we're rubbing their hands at that one.

I used to work with a guy that is local to that area who apparently was going around outside selling crushed up hayfever tablets to naive students. Could well be bollocks as the guy was a bit of a bullshitter.

Anyway the fact of the matter is id be highly dubious of anyone shifting pills at anything less than £4 a go, especially inside an event. Unless you were buying in weight of course.
 
Got offered 'coke, Ket and MDMA' from one guy. Said I could try before I buy, but I then basically had to buy it. What a load of shite. He was a black southerner, actually! There were obviously white guys selling, also. I don't share the opinion that just black guys are trying to rinse you. ;) Everyone selling looked dodgy as fuck, though. I reckon most people took their own in, judging by the state of them.
 
Benzo Fury/6-APB/5-APB.......friends who had been buying E's/MDMA more often than not buy Benzo Fury now instead and have been for approx a couple of years.If it gets banned they'll just resort to buying illegal E's/MDMA again.I know of a lot of people who use 6-APB/5-APB and haven't heard of or seen any problems yet.I'd guess that any deaths are a mixture of BF and other drugs or there's been underlaying problems with these people.Banning it is not the way forward.People will always be able to buy drugs....BF is a safer alternative in my eyes to E's which contain God knows what.
 
To be fair, going off some of the sample results from RC vendors, I'd rather buy pills with 'god knows what' in them. They certainly don't contain a mixture of random chemicals, most of the time.
 
Treacle said:
To be fair, going off some of the sample results from RC vendors, I'd rather buy pills with 'god knows what' in them. They certainly don't contain a mixture of random chemicals, most of the time.
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The health risks with RC's & illegal drugs are about equal, I'd say. The internet RC market is as riddled with conmen as the street drugs scene imo The risks are slightly different, that's all.
 
Well, you can't really say that, as no one has the first clue what damage RCs may, or may not, be doing. I was only talking about pills, which are definitely safer than a random powder. At least they come in batches, which can be tested, to give you some idea.
 
yeah but the tests don't cover all the new RCs. There is no way you know your pills don't contain existing or as yet untalked-about RCs.

Also it seems naive to trust a "batch", you know full well pills get copied.
 
Ninae said:
Anyway, it gave me a new found respect for the police as they were so nice about it. Two females and one male (I think to minimise aggression). The women were really friendly and the man kept in the background and seemed like he felt bad about it and sorry for me.
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Did they arrest and convict you? If so then they've got their pound of flesh anyway - they can be as nice as pie, they've already fucked you big style. Merely being arrested means you can never visit the USA or many other countries. If they charged and convicted you then they've fucked you in terms of getting house insurance, buying a house will be very difficult if not impossible and a whole other host of life-long problems.

I imagine they were "nice" to your face and then calling you a fucking dirty druggie in the car as they left. Being "nice" would have been not bothering to raid your house.
 
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Treacle said:
To be fair, going off some of the sample results from RC vendors, I'd rather buy pills with 'god knows what' in them. They certainly don't contain a mixture of random chemicals, most of the time.
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There are reputable vendors who sell 6-APB/5-APB...I know there are lots out there who are dodge as well right enough.When 6-APB first came out I bought something that kept me awake for 3 days...def not 6-APB.I've also bought supposed 6-APB that done nothing at all.There are a few vendors though that I trust and have been ordering of for 18 months.
 
knockando said:
Also it seems naive to trust a "batch", you know full well pills get copied.
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Notice I said batch, not stamp. A batch being one lot of similar dosed pills. Like, when people are raving about say, the orange 250 bombs - if someone sold you one at weekend, and the smell and taste were dead on, would you throw it away? I'm just saying a tested, new, batch of pills is better than a random white powder. Is that unreasonable?

Also, lab tests can detect unidentified compounds - which means there's something 'new' in your pills, and they're not pure - so, your other statement was wrong.
 
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