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[xxanxxtwo]

what do u mean xxanxtwo? be more specific? first time i ever took adderall i had to take 8 of them to feel good and that was first time i ever did an upper besides caffeine

I misread your post, I thought that you had a sizeable tolerance to opiates/opioids.

 

[xxanxxtwo]

I am curious, fent. is generally on prescribed to those with an existing opiate/opioid tolerance, what kind of pain do you have, what's your prescribing history?

 

[phr]

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Fentora is supposed to be for breakthrough pain. But, some people got it prescribed for "off label" reasons. It lead to a few deaths and the FDA just issued a warning about it. I posted the article in DiTM today.

 

[snowblowjoe]

Ya ppl die left and right from fentanyl. I am invincible lol. But seriously, I am.

 

[In the Eyes of God]

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Okay. I should elaborate. Because before you IV your using a liquid to dissolve it, the effervescing SHOULD happen exclusively in the spoon. So long as you waited for ALL the foaming to stop, meaning all the acid and alkali had reacted, then its a moot point.

But if you tried injecting it while it was still foaming... jeesus... I could only imagine what that would feel like inside your veins.

Sounds like your aight though. So long as you wait for the reaction to stop, all would be well id assume. Still, id never recommend this

There was probably not enough liquid in your nasal cavity to cause a very significant reaction between the sodium bicarb and the acid. If you snorted and had a very runny nose, youd probably spark a reaction in your nasal cavity and thats gotta feel nasty.


You could easily smoke it. Fent smokes very easy. But its gonna taste NASTY as all hell.


Things backing up my claim?? Just read the Fentora website. They dont say the ingredients, but they do mention the effervescing reaction technology. From effervescing tablet patents that ive studied thoroughly, the usual ingredients are...

Lactose, Mannitol, Sucrose, Polyvinyl pyrrolidone, Sodium Bicarbonate, artificial flavors, and Citric Acid. Also, in order to protect the acid from reacting prematurely from moisture in the air, they usually coat the acid component with polydimethylsiloxane. Not exactly a very nice cocktail to be IVing!!

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20020127184.html

 

[In the Eyes of God]

800mcg should be doing something w/o no tolerance, why am i such a freak of nature?

Something to note, the opioid converters for converting common opioids to fentanyl are complete and utter failures.

The reality is, 1.5mg, yes MILLIGRAMS, of Fentanyl is equivalent to about 80mg of Oxycodone. Run this on a opioid converter, and itll give you like half that dose of fentanyl as 80mg of oxy, because these calculators are terrible at converting to Fentanyl. This is contrary to what others beleive. But these people arent very bright. Pharaohfentanyl is 8-10x regular fentanyl, and 100mcg is around the range of 40mg of Oxycodone in effect.

Therefore, it doesnt surprise me if you have even moderate opioid tolerance, that 800mcg of fentanyl isnt doing much for you. Beleive me, what you read on Fentanyl doses compared to other opioids, is totally wrong. I dont know why this is, but I suspect trying to convert doses from a naturally occuring or semi-synthetic opioid to a completely synthetic opioid doesnt work too well. ALSO, its important to note that fentanyl has no active metabolites, unlike other opioids. Im sure this also plays a huge role in why opioid converters suck nuts at converting to fentanyl doses. They always give massively under-dosed conversions from my experiences.

 

[phr]

Pharaohfentanyl is 8-10x regular fentanyl, and 100mcg is around the range of 40mg of Oxycodone in effect.

Just 8-10X stronger? I swear you claimed it was much stronger than that. It's hard to remember everything when you're constantly lying, huh?

 

[xxanxxtwo]

^^Hehe, pathological liers are funny.

 

[snowblowjoe]

ok just slammed about 150mcg of fentora. dont feel anything. next time i will do more. what are the best ways to smoke an efffervescent pill?

eyegod i believe u about the effervescent thing i just wanted to know how u got that info on what it would do to my veins. i feel slight elevation of mood. no rush yet tho.

is it possible that i didnt get a rush cus i didnt do enough? i should have atleast felt something right?

 

[phr]

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That info is readily available on Cephalon's website.

is it possible that i didnt get a rush cus i didnt do enough? i should have atleast felt something right?

Sounds like you didn't do enough. 150mcg of fentanyl isn't much at all, even for IV.

 

[snowblowjoe]

ok next time i will try 300mcg. phrozen this form of fentanyl is base and stronger than others tho. like if u took the lolis and they were 400mcg it says its like taking 150 of fentora.

 

[phr]

I'm not sure if it's base or not. If it is, it shouldn't readily dissolve in water. You'd need to add an acid.

It's "stronger" than Actiq because it's transbuccal BA, due to its formulation, is higher.

 

[In the Eyes of God]

I'm not sure if it's base or not. If it is, it shouldn't readily dissolve in water. You'd need to add an acid.

It's "stronger" than Actiq because it's transbuccal BA, due to its formulation, is higher.

It probably didint DISSOLVE into the water, it SUSPENDED in the water, as a base would. But its a few hundread MICROGRAMS. Your not going to be able to VISUALLY see the SUSPENSION of a few hundread MICROGRAMS of fentanyl in water. Thus it would visually APPEAR as though it had dissolved. When in fact, it was just suspended. Its irrelevant though. It doesnt need to be dissolved to work, just suspension is FINE, especially a suspension of just a few hundread micrograms of active.

But thats irreelvant. Because Fentora IS fentanyl CITRATE, not freebase. A freebase will not penetrate the mucousal membranes very well.

 

[hfrs]

The reality is, 1.5mg, yes MILLIGRAMS, of Fentanyl is equivalent to about 80mg of Oxycodone. Run this on a opioid converter, and itll give you like half that dose of fentanyl as 80mg of oxy, because these calculators are terrible at converting to Fentanyl.

This is really not correct. You are converting a drug that is used iv, transdermally, and sublingually, to one that is used po. Just because some people shoot oxycodone, does not mean it is an iv drug.

If you want to compare iv fentanyl to something, compare it to something that is used iv, like morphine. Most converters would tell you that 10mg morphine is 50 - 100 mg fentanyl (iv) which IS correct.

I'm not even getting into the debate about that pharaoh-stuff, that's too insane and I haven't slept enough for that!

 

[snowblowjoe]

it does say on the info that it is base

 

[snowblowjoe]

if i slam 45 mg morphine ir i get a rush, not that euphoric but a rush nonetheless. so how many 200mcg should i slam to get a rush and not die?

 

[hfrs]

^joe- the problem is the form of your fent. If you had injectable fentanyl, it would be the citrate form, which you could easily convert 45 mg of morphine to a fentanyl dose of 0.35 - 0.45 mg fentanyl. This is part of the reason why you'll see crazy doses from people injecting the transdermal fentanyl preps.

 

[snowblowjoe]

my fentanyl is in citrate form. the pharmacist said it was fentanyl citrate base.

 

[snowblowjoe]

ok just slammed 300mcg of straight up fentora. and then also about 250mg of oxycodone IR. but didnt really get a rush, felt some slight tingles and elevated energy and mood but thats about it. still crashing from this nasty fucking adderall. anyways all fentanyl sucks to me unless i can get it in gel patch form and suck on it for an hour. then its cool for a couple days, but after a couple days even that i become immune too. fucking bullshit.

 

[Smyth]

People are way off in their figures for oral/sublingual use versus IV and patches. Put in the possibility of freebase versus the salt and you have total confusion.

800ug in 2 hours is heaps if u have no tolerance.

But in terms of saying .8mg fentora = 1.6mg actiq might be wrong, im not sure about that one.