Heroin Fentanyl Vs Heroin?

[Zopiclone bandit]

I am UK based, we have plenty of PK & Afghan smoking heroin still on the street but the last few months have seen quite a rise in Fent arriving as a few months ago it was impossible to get even half decent PK gear let alone the best the Afghan people can make which I love. I am glad to say that only lasted about 6 weeks but the wholesale price on the kilo has gone up when the next batch hit the street sadly.

I was speaking to a homeless guy I know this morning at 8:30am & his not been out of jail 6 months & is off the Bupe, he said his been scoring Fent & smoking it on a pipe, he had a hit yesterday on the bus & went into a seizure & he thinks he has a Fent habit now as his been doing it a few months sadly.

He was an old time Junkie like me & 98% of his Opiate experience has been like mine with Afghan smoking heroin, I have had fent once via I.V. due to our Health System, I had 250mcg shot into the vein but it felt "cold" to me & had none of the feeling you get from Morphine let alone the high from good smoking heroin.

What I wanna ask is this folks & be honest with me owkay!!!!!

Why would anyone who has decades of heroin use & I am talking about the good Afghan stuff go to Fent?
What is the allure / draw to using Fent when the high is short & is more "ketamine-esque" in the high when you are so used to brown smoking heroin?

I swear to God if Fent takes over the UK heroin scene I will quit the whole lot & never look back, I'd not pay a dealer in rusty buttons for a gram of Fent as it is rubbish imho & if anyone is mad enough to think that is a Opiate high you clearly know nothing.

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

Also I ask because I don't really know much chemistry stuff on Fent, I really don't wanna know too much about it as I see it equal to Krokodil in terms of damage & I dread to think how it is cooked up.

If someone had a good hit of Fent & I know it's active in the mcg range so I KNOW it's potent, just say you vaped a dose around 500-700mcg would that be enough to knock you flat on your arse & cause you to have a seizure?

 

[Halif2]

Fent sucks. It has one feature: it's really strong. But it doesn't feel nice at all IMO.

I believe the only reason fent would be appearing/replacing real heroin is because it is much more profitable for sellers. Much easier to create as it is synthetic and thus does not rely on a large amount of plants to be grown first. And it is easier to smuggle across borders/countries because the amounts are so much smaller. Imagine how many street deals (e.g. one point) could be generated from one kilo of pure fent VS a kilo of pure heroin.

I'm sure there are some people out there who prefer fent to heroin, but I have to imagine they are in the minority. Personally, I think there's no comparison - real H is in a different league compared to fent.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

fent = death. Plus "fentalogues"

Desperation is the answer to your question I think - but personally I dont know and went on sub when fent replaced heron


I swear to God if Fent takes over the UK heroin scene I will quit the whole lot & never look back, I'd not pay a dealer in rusty buttons for a gram of Fent as it is rubbish imho & if anyone is mad enough to think that is a Opiate high you clearly know nothing.


That is about all you can do alright -- see it coming and form a plan now perhaps

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

believe the only reason fent would be appearing/replacing real heroin is because it is much more profitable for sellers. Much easier to create as it is synthetic and thus does not rely on a large amount of plants to be grown first. And it is easier to smuggle across borders/countries because the amounts are so much smaller.

I had the same idea come to my mind.
When something is active in the mcg range the profit line is way lower than someone who sells proper Afghan Heroin.
I guess it is kinda equal to someone selling LSD VS Mushrooms, Acid is another active in the mcg range so a can of Coca-Cola filled with liquid LSD will have enough hits to get half of The UK tripping so hard, I think it was The Manson family who made a plan to dump a litre of liquid LSD into the water supply of West USA.
If you compare liquid LSD to say 3C-E or Mushrooms the size speaks for itself & I agree with you 100% on what you said in your post.

I'm sure there are some people out there who prefer fent to heroin, but I have to imagine they are in the minority. Personally, I think there's no comparison - real H is in a different league compared to fent.

I agree 100% here too.
I gotta ask what part of The Planet are you from? I am from The UK (England) & been doing Heroin since 2001. All I have known in the time is Afghan smoking Heroin as that is all we have over here, it used to cost £10 (U.S. $13.54) for a good 0.3 gram but that was before The WTC towers came down, being the main place The UK gets the smack from is The Afghan hills etc it caused a slight issue but nothing huge, over time the price has gone up a little bit but it has been the last couple of months the cost has gone up £2,000 ($2,708.99) per box (box is UK street slang for kilo)

How long have you used Heroin for?

fent = death. Plus "fentalogues"

Desperation is the answer to your question I think - but personally I dont know and went on sub when fent replaced heron


I swear to God if Fent takes over the UK heroin scene I will quit the whole lot & never look back, I'd not pay a dealer in rusty buttons for a gram of Fent as it is rubbish imho & if anyone is mad enough to think that is a Opiate high you clearly know nothing.


That is about all you can do alright -- see it coming and form a plan now perhaps

Yeah I agree with you 100% also.
What part of The Planet are you from?

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

US MI --- in the late 00's early 2010's the H was hitting 85% purity on the streets. Whole car would smell of vinegar.. By 2016 couldnt find anything not fent laced and quit.

Sub kinda sucks but not as bad as fent lol

 

[CalicoCatLover]

Fentanyl is cheap bullshit...

 

[Halif2]

I gotta ask what part of The Planet are you from?

I'm from the part with the kangaroos.

All I have known in the time is Afghan smoking Heroin as that is all we have over here

#4 is the common gear here in Australia. We're lucky to have pretty good stuff in terms of purity - 80%+ is common. It's only been in the last couple of years that I've had H laced with fent or nitazenes. The worst case is the few times I've got stuff which had diluted fent as the only active ingredient. The first time that happened I may have come close to being in trouble. As I usually IV my H these days, and have a pretty hefty tolerance, I have become a bit brazen with my use. However, I still always follow a simple tradition with every new batch I buy (even if it's from the same person as usual and looks the same as usual): I will rack up a couple of lines and snort them, and then wait a while before shooting some up.

This is not very scientific, and it's far from best practice, but this simple act just gives me an impression of what it feels like. And it was exactly this tradition which may have saved me from an OD, because as soon as I snorted the test lines I knew it wasn't the standard fare. Different taste and smell, and different feel. I've had fent before and I was fairly certain that that's what this stuff was. So I wasn't happy about it, but I was obviously still going to use it because ... you know... chemical dependency. So I prepped my shot but used much less than I normally would with actual H. You know the classic adage: 'You can always start small and then take more, but you can't start big and then take less'. I think I butchered the saying haha But it goes something like that, and is especially true when the ROA is IV.

And yeah, as I wrote in my first post in this thread, it kind of sucked. It was very strong, though, I'll give it that. About an hour later I actually felt nauseous for a while - something which hasn't happened to me for a long time of using uncut, high purity H. I didn't puke but that nausea told me that I would've been in trouble had I not done a test sniff and just used my usual amount right away. Not sure if I would've fully OD'd requiring hospitalisation or if I just would've been horribly nauseous and puking all night. Either way, I'm glad I didn't find out.

I pray that Australia doesn't go the way of the USA where fent has essentially displaced actual heroin in most areas.

 

[Rubb3rDucky]

Here in the US finding anything other than fent is absolutely impossible. Seems like the only way to get real heroin is on these marketplaces and the price is absolutely astronomical.

The way I describe fetty is saying its like the Crack of the opiate world. As far as recreational use goes it absolutely sucks. I was addicted to it really bad before and I was either sick or sleeping. There was no euphoria at all.

It was a nightmare honestly. The opiate world hasn't been the same for 10 years and I dont think it ever will be again.

Everything has been replaced with synthetic drugs and RCs.

 

[CalicoCatLover]

Why did people think they could just do that?

Probably a hotshot....is what I thought

I find it inappropriate, heroin is necessary.

 

[Psychonauticunt]

The logistics and economics behind substituting heroin for fentanyl are obvious and undeniable. It is the same reason the bootleggers ran hard liquor during the Prohibition instead of beer.

From a user's point of view, it's harder to avoid, it's probably cheaper, and once you get a liiiiittle bit hooked you start feeling dopesick hours earlier. So you go out and score some more. Also, I think, through "hard work and perseverance" you rack up a tolerance to fentanyl, which is a shitload stronger than the strongest dope you ever had. So maybe after a while, it just... doesn't hit you the same way. I've heard this version with:
- Once you've had proper indoor grown dank, that bush schwag full of seeds you buy in Mexico or on the Hippie Trail in Southeast Asia ain't gonna get you high anymore.
- Once you've gotten used to smoking meth, sniffing amphetamine sulphate does fuck all.

Shit, I can personally attest that since I'd accumulated a bit of experience using strong full opioid agonists, there is no amount of codeine or tramadol, after any amount of weeks, months or years without touching an opioid, that will get me satisfyingly high.

My opinion though: fentanyl fucking sucks as a recreational drug (and so do almost all its analogues). It's a fantastic pharmaceutical - strong as fuck and short-acting. You can administer more fentanyl after 30 minutes if the operation isn't quite done. If the operation IS done but you gave the dude morphine instead of fentanyl, he's gonna be napping for a while before he's able to leave.
But recreationally, it's just... strong. Heavy, sedating, pain-killing. Not euphoric.

 

[TheFunkeeJunkee]

When people have the option of either heroin or fentanyl and they choose to use fentanyl, it is probably because of economic factors.

We do not have clandestine fentanyl in Australia, but when I was using heroin, I'd occasionally buy fentanyl patches just to 'switch it up'.

 

[Heroinimus Bosch]

This development is typical of an illegal market. For manufacturers and dealers, fentanyl offers essentially nothing but advantages. It is cheaper and faster to produce than heroin. It does not require large poppy fields that risk being discovered and destroyed. The substance is far more potent—an advantage for smuggling, as it takes up less space. The downsides fall almost entirely on the consumer (as is always the case with drug prohibition). In the begining you might think that you're saving money because the shit is so potent but then your tolerance raises quickly and also it doesn't last as long as Heroin, so you need to take it more often. And then you never know how much of which fentaloque/nitazene etc. (+ sometimes RC benzos, xylazine ..) is in your dope and then you have the risks of hot spots as well. In my opinion you're playing russian roulette if you do black market fentanyl.

For many years we had a pretty stable Heroin market in Germany. It was not very hard to get afghan heroin with up to 40-50% diamorphine content (tested) for acceptable prices but now the market, especially on the street level, seems to slowly change for the worse since the Taliban really enforced the prohibition of poppy cultivation. Supposedly there are still stocks of Opium/Heroin from the years before but it seems like the Heroin quality slowly gets worse and in more and more cases fentanyl/nitazenes are being found in it. I'd recommend to anyone with a habit to go to a clinic and get on maintenance therapy with time-release Morphine and/or medical Heroin (if you have a clinic that offers that near you).

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

You know the classic adage: 'You can always start small and then take more, but you can't start big and then take less'

lol
Yes I know it well.

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

I pray that Australia doesn't go the way of the USA where fent has essentially displaced actual heroin in most areas.

Same goes for The UK too.

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

This development is typical of an illegal market. For manufacturers and dealers, fentanyl offers essentially nothing but advantages. It is cheaper and faster to produce than heroin. It does not require large poppy fields that risk being discovered and destroyed. The substance is far more potent—an advantage for smuggling, as it takes up less space. The downsides fall almost entirely on the consumer (as is always the case with drug prohibition). In the begining you might think that you're saving money because the shit is so potent but then your tolerance raises quickly and also it doesn't last as long as Heroin, so you need to take it more often. And then you never know how much of which fentaloque/nitazene etc. (+ sometimes RC benzos, xylazine ..) is in your dope and then you have the risks of hot spots as well. In my opinion you're playing russian roulette if you do black market fentanyl.

For many years we had a pretty stable Heroin market in Germany. It was not very hard to get afghan heroin with up to 40-50% diamorphine content (tested) for acceptable prices but now the market, especially on the street level, seems to slowly change for the worse since the Taliban really enforced the prohibition of poppy cultivation. Supposedly there are still stocks of Opium/Heroin from the years before but it seems like the Heroin quality slowly gets worse and in more and more cases fentanyl/nitazenes are being found in it. I'd recommend to anyone with a habit to go to a clinic and get on maintenance therapy with time-release Morphine and/or medical Heroin (if you have a clinic that offers that near you).

Ever heard of Christine F & her book in German is called "Wir Kinder vom Bahnhof Zoo"

but now the market, especially on the street level, seems to slowly change for the worse since the Taliban really enforced the prohibition of poppy cultivation. Supposedly there are still stocks of Opium/Heroin from the years before but it seems like the Heroin quality slowly gets worse and in more and more cases fentanyl/nitazenes are being found in it.

100% THE SAME IN THE UK!!!!!!!!!
"Alles hat ein Ende, nur die Wurst hat zwei"

An old time Junkie I know who just got out of Prison says he now has a Fent habit, his not that wise to Fent & RC Opiates etc, his a homeless begger who sleeps on the street & sits outside the local Cafe begging to support his Heroin habit so he knows nothing of the stuff we talk about BUT he knew what Fent was & said his now only ringing the one local guy who has a batch of it in.

Personally I will never touch it, so many have said on this thread what I have stated too, Fent is cold & NOTHING like good Afghan Heroin.

It's really beyond me why anyone would like Fent after the 1st time, it is cold & flat with NOTHING to it that I'd call an "Opiate"
In a way it's equal to someone asking for 2C-B & being sold 3C-E instead.

 

[Heroinimus Bosch]

Ever heard of Christine F & her book in German is called "Wir Kinder vom Bahnhof Zoo"


100% THE SAME IN THE UK!!!!!!!!!
"Alles hat ein Ende, nur die Wurst hat zwei"

An old time Junkie I know who just got out of Prison says he now has a Fent habit, his not that wise to Fent & RC Opiates etc, his a homeless begger who sleeps on the street & sits outside the local Cafe begging to support his Heroin habit so he knows nothing of the stuff we talk about BUT he knew what Fent was & said his now only ringing the one local guy who has a batch of it in.

Personally I will never touch it, so many have said on this thread what I have stated too, Fent is cold & NOTHING like good Afghan Heroin.

It's really beyond me why anyone would like Fent after the 1st time, it is cold & flat with NOTHING to it that I'd call an "Opiate"
In a way it's equal to someone asking for 2C-B & being sold 3C-E instead.

Of course I know of Christiane! She's probably Germany's most famous Junky. I read the book when I was very young and it made me really scared of heroin That fear didn't last very long though.... I live in Berlin and about 10 years ago, I sometimes hung out at Hermannplatz (used to be a square at which addicts met to mostly buy/sell Methadone and pills) and someone pointed out a woman to me and said "You know who that is? Christiane Felscherinow!" She was on Methadone Maintenance and hung out there sometimes.

I only have experience with smoking the medical fent patches, which is still the most common form in which fent is sold/consumed in Germany. I didn't like it much. Like you said, it feels cold and medicinal, like an anasthetic. It think the reason why some people switch from H to fent is that it's strong and people with a high tolerance to H are still able to get a rush from it. The effect, especially when smoked, is so short though that people are soon smoking constantly. It's a bit like the crack of the opioid world in that regard and it quickly drives your tolerance pretty high. It semms to be pretty common for people to smoke one whole patch of the highest strength per day. On a 150mcg/h patch are about 34mg of fent which would be 3400mg of Morphine or 1500mg of pure Heroin.

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

It semms to be pretty common for people to smoke one whole patch of the highest strength per day. On a 150mcg/h patch are about 34mg of fent which would be 3400mg of Morphine or 1500mg of pure Heroin.

1,500mg of Pure Heroin is insane, the withdrawl off that wouldn't be nice & I highly question if Methadone or even the most potent Buprenorphine would help you.

Of course I know of Christiane! She's probably Germany's most famous Junky.

I read the book when I was very young

Sadly I only came to her book around 2010 & got an English translation, I am not sure if the German version has the racist terms in it such as "Paki" etc but the UK version does.

Like you said, it feels cold and medicinal, like an anasthetic.

I am a total Ketamine freak, I love the stuff so much so it is odd I HATE Fent so much as "logic" would say it would be the perfect drug for me.

So glad to see another person from Europe on here & also so close to The UK, it made me sad to read what you said about the supply of Afghan Heroin going away in Germany as it is the same in The UK. I live just outside the 2nd City of the UK & can be in the middle of Birmingham City via 1 bus in 35 mins & I have watched over the last few months the Heroin quality get bad & now a few old time junkies I have known on the street (I am sure you understand what I am talking about) turn to Fent.

I swear if I witness The UK become dry of Heroin & we go like The USA did with only Fent for sale I will quit scoring & never ring any dealer again.
I am being very serious here I think we are the generation who will be the last to know what real Afghan Heroin is like.

How long have you been using Heroin for?

 

[Heroinimus Bosch]

1,500mg of Pure Heroin is insane, the withdrawl off that wouldn't be nice & I highly question if Methadone or even the most potent Buprenorphine would help you.







Sadly I only came to her book around 2010 & got an English translation, I am not sure if the German version has the racist terms in it such as "Paki" etc but the UK version does.

I am a total Ketamine freak, I love the stuff so much so it is odd I HATE Fent so much as "logic" would say it would be the perfect drug for me.

So glad to see another person from Europe on here & also so close to The UK, it made me sad to read what you said about the supply of Afghan Heroin going away in Germany as it is the same in The UK. I live just outside the 2nd City of the UK & can be in the middle of Birmingham City via 1 bus in 35 mins & I have watched over the last few months the Heroin quality get bad & now a few old time junkies I have known on the street (I am sure you understand what I am talking about) turn to Fent.

I swear if I witness The UK become dry of Heroin & we go like The USA did with only Fent for sale I will quit scoring & never ring any dealer again.
I am being very serious here I think we are the generation who will be the last to know what real Afghan Heroin is like.

How long have you been using Heroin for?

Yes, there was some racist terminology in the german version ("Kanacken" = derogatory term for foreigners).

I had a 2 year long phase with Ketamin in which I loved it too. I had access to 100mg vials of pharma K (somehow it kept falling from trucks regularly ) and got into injecting it IM. At that time (20 years ago) almost nobody even knew what K was and most of the ones that had heard about it said "I'm not taking fucking horse tranquiliser!" But I kinda grew out of it somehow. Haven't taken any for a long time. To me, it has an anesthetic feel but it's still very different to fent because of the psychedelic/dissociative component.

I've had my first taste of H when I was 17 and I'm 40 now, so it has been 23 years. I'm in the privileged situation to have 3 Diamorphine clinics in Berlin, so all I do these days is a shot of pure H in the morning and some slow-release morphine to last me through the rest of the day/night.

How about you?

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

I had a 2 year long phase with Ketamin in which I loved it too. I had access to 100mg vials of pharma K (somehow it kept falling from trucks regularly ) and got into injecting it IM. At that time (20 years ago) almost nobody even knew what K was and most of the ones that had heard about it said "I'm not taking fucking horse tranquiliser!" But I kinda grew out of it somehow. Haven't taken any for a long time. To me, it has an anesthetic feel but it's still very different to fent because of the psychedelic/dissociative component.

First did Ketamine back in 1997-1998 at a Techno rave in the UK's 2nd City & loved it, got into MXE & 4-MeO-PCP later before the E.U. RC ban but even after that I was still getting good MXE from Spain. I got a new Ketamine connection via some place I cannot name due to Bluelight rules about naming vendors etc but it's pure "Rock" Ketamine & looks very much like Methamphetamine.

I've had my first taste of H when I was 17 and I'm 40 now, so it has been 23 years.

First smoked Heroin in 2001 at the age of 20.
I am now 45 & still doing Heroin.

I'm in the privileged situation to have 3 Diamorphine clinics in Berlin, so all I do these days is a shot of pure H in the morning and some slow-release morphine to last me through the rest of the day/night.

Germany has legal Heroin clinics!!!!?????
Erm......let us say a dog from The UK took a holiday to Germany & ended up by total chance outside a Heroin Clinic, would this dog be able to give some German Junkie the cash to go & get some pure Diamorphine for him & bring it back?

How long as Germany had legal Heroin clinics?