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Opioids Fentanyl Question-Please help.

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jhoe

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Hi all! After hours of reading posts, I have not found an answer to my question. I was in 2 car wrecks. The 2nd one (Jan 2010) really fucked me up. I started on Hydrocodone then Percocet then Roxycodone 15mg immediate release. I think the most I consumed just to get out of bed was 7 of them so, 105mg. Then i would eat a few more throughout the rest of the day. Before i switched doctors he prescribed me fentanyl the patch has gel in it and it is 25micrograms/hour to be worn for 3 days....(hard to do in FL!!) anyhow...the new dr gave me 30mg Oxycontins the are not immediate release. so i chew 2 or3 of them in one go to get my buzz on and relieve my shoulder and neck and back pain. i want to use these patches since they were so goddamn expensive, but they dont relieve much pain and they dont give me my buzz. I saw many posts on the extracting of the fentanyl using alcohol and all kinds of stuff....i am not trying to get that involved. My question is...since my body is tolerant, if i cut a slice into the patch, releasing more of the gel, would that be effective in regards to pain and a happy buzz??? the one i am wearing now, i poked a couple holes in it and i have been wearing it for 5 or 6 hours and not feeling pain relief or buzzed.

Thanks in advance for any help!

Cheers and be safe everyone! :)
 
oh i 4get to mention, i am also applying heat with a heating pad in hopes of it absorbing faster & better! thanks :)
 
hi, put the gel under your tongue. hold there and dont swallow. infact, with practice, you shouldnt even really salivate. if you cant manage this try putting it between your bottom front two teeth and your gums..


these administrations are referred to as sublingual, and buccal respectively.


edit: on a HR note the gel isnt, how do you say, dispersed very evenly. you need to find out what is a good starting dose for yourself. try once without any opies in your system to see how that goes, if you simply cannot wait, and wait to "breakthrough" pain relief then try very tiny drops, dunno how you'd manage to mesasure were talking drops here, maybe empty visine bottle.
 
blackjesus said:
hi, put the gel under your tongue. hold there and dont swallow. infact, with practice, you shouldnt even really salivate. if you cant manage this try putting it between your bottom front two teeth and your gums..


these administrations are referred to as sublingual, and buccal respectively.


edit: on a HR note the gel isnt, how do you say, dispersed very evenly. you need to find out what is a good starting dose for yourself. try once without any opies in your system to see how that goes, if you simply cannot wait, and wait to "breakthrough" pain relief then try very tiny drops, dunno how you'd manage to mesasure were talking drops here, maybe empty visine bottle.
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Be VERY careful doing this. If what you said about your patch is accurate there's 1.8mg of fentanyl contained in a relatively small amount of gel. You probably want somewhere around 100mcg so that's like a pin drop of gel.
 
You can also smoke the gel on a piece of foil just like chasing the dragon. Squeeze out like a bb size glob and take 1 or 2 hits first just to see how strong it is for ya. Then work your way from there. With a low tolerance you could make that patch last a day or two but fentanyl wears off really quick. It has a really low half life like 1 or 2 hours when smoked.
 
If one doesnt do it and you have a high tolerance put on 2 so u get 50mcg. Or u could sit in a hot bath or apply heat to it somehow so it releases more rapidly careful with this as it is not easy to control how much will come out at once.
 
or cut patch transdermal or gel and microwave till u c just bubblin only put nuff h20 in ,so that when the liquid goes in ur mouth hold it for half hr swish swashing it about, also this is the way to extract fent not gel tho, to i.v ,if u r gonna do this be very careful. fent half life is very short n bitch to come off.
 
Guys, maybe a word or two about the risks associated with abusing fentanyl gel? Especially for ROAs like smoking?

Please remember that this is a harm reduction site and be sure to mention things like this... Fentanyl gel is notoriously strong and unwieldy, and has caused many overdoses. I recommend that the OP tries the buccal or sublingual administration of a small amount instead of smoking, which is difficult to properly gauge and therefore riskier.
 
hello all! thank you for the coments! maybe i forgot to mention....i do not want to eat it or smoke the stuff.....i tried the patch the way it is supposed to be used and it did not do much for me. just looking to add a little more bang...but not trying to OD. i actually just got done reading all the papers that come with it(tiny print..my eyes hurt.) in them is a chart that explains the conversion rates from what a patient was taking converting to which dosage patch is best, it said that someone who was orally taking 112.5mg to 157mg should convert to the 75mcg/he patch..... funny....exactly the reason i switched doctors...the guy is an idiot.....

in any case, like i was saying, i dont wantt to eat the junk.. just seeing if there were any results for anyone trying to slice the "membrane" part of the patch to release more than it's supposed to.
so far, two safety pin pricks and a heating pad is just making my arm very hot and my shoulder still sore....and after reading the drug info, a bit like going to that dr and telling him what an ass he has been this whole time! hahh

thanks everyone! :)
 
well, just after i last commented, i took the heating pad off and guess what! patch fell off. after examination, there was nothing left init but a tiny bead that i pushed out of the pinhole i made, hmmmmmm....i have three patches left and 5 days until i get my oxycontins. this sucks.maybe i should just use as directed to avoid withdrawals! i know my shoulder will hurt, but better than cold sweats! i still would love to know if anyone has tried what i suggested in the my post previous to this one!

thanks again! cheers
 
you should try to get flat micro pore patches insted of the ones with gel. they work better and the fent is evenlly distributed in the patch so you can cut a peice off and chew on it to get a good kick then stick the rest on you like normal
 
well, just after i last commented, i took the heating pad off and guess what! patch fell off. after examination, there was nothing left init but a tiny bead that i pushed out of the pinhole i made, hmmmmmm....i have three patches left and 5 days until i get my oxycontins. this sucks.maybe i should just use as directed to avoid withdrawals! i know my shoulder will hurt, but better than cold sweats! i still would love to know if anyone has tried what i suggested in the my post previous to this one!

thanks again! cheers
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have you tried using saran wrap or OTC adhesive gels you can stick over covering the patch?

what you did, poking the holes in the gel reservoir, was potentially dangerous. rapid release and absorption may have resulted in an overdose. you're best not tampering with the gel reservoirs in this case if you're not wanting to abuse them. the gel will otherwise dry up and lose potency over a period of time if it's not stored properly.

stick out the next 5 days with the patches you've got left and explain to your doctor the situation - that the dose isn't adequate.
 
if its 25 mcgs an hour and you have some sort of opiate tolerance chewing it wont hurt you...BUT if you dont have any tolerance just put some camel skin or even duct tape over the patch(anything to keep the heat in) and it will absorb faster, or just dont mess with them at all..thats the best advice
 
Fentanyl equivalent in Oxycodone???

SHADY you said:

"Be VERY careful doing this. If what you said about your patch is accurate there's 1.8mg of fentanyl contained in a relatively small amount of gel. You probably want somewhere around 100mcg so that's like a pin drop of gel."

My Question is what is 1.8mg of Fentanyl equal to in say, oxycodone? does that make any sense?????
 
From what I can gather jhoe, mind you this may not be correct but I have used 3 calculators and I am getting roughly this answer: 20mg of Oxycodone by mouth = 225mcg of Fentanyl. Now, I went ahead and investigated whether or not your patch is appropriate for a patient with previous pain mgmt history (i.e. Oxycodone IR 15mg x 7 + 3-5 more = 150mg-180mg a day) When I calculate using your total dose of OC a day being 165mg the correct Fentanyl patch for a patient with your opiate tolerance would be the 75mcg/hr patch. I'll link you so you can see for yourself.

http://www.globalrph.com/fent.cgi

Hope you get this sorted out brother. Maybe head in the direction of Actiq pops for breakthrough pain in between OC dosages? idk but I wish you the best, be safe.
 
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shady4091 said:
Be VERY careful doing this. If what you said about your patch is accurate there's 1.8mg of fentanyl contained in a relatively small amount of gel. You probably want somewhere around 100mcg so that's like a pin drop of gel.
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twatnopjkarna said:
From what I can gather jhoe, mind you this may not be correct but I have used 3 calculators and I am getting roughly this answer: 20mg of Oxycodone by mouth = .175mcg of Fentanyl. Now, I went ahead and investigated whether or not your patch is appropriate for a patient with previous pain mgmt history (i.e. Oxycodone IR 15mg x 7 + 3-5 more = 150mg-180mg a day) When I calculate using your total dose of OC a day being 165mg the correct Fentanyl patch for a patient with your opiate tolerance would be the 75mcg/hr patch. I'll link you so you can see for yourself.

http://www.globalrph.com/fent.cgi

Hope you get this sorted out brother. Maybe head in the direction of Actiq pops for breakthrough pain in between OC dosages? idk but I wish you the best, be safe.
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My Patch is the 25mcg/hr. just was wondering if i ate the whole thing, what its equivalent would be in terms of oxycodone......
 
oh and according to the paperwork that came with it, the whole patch contains 2.5mg fentanyl actually, so nevermind the 1.8 that was aforementioned.
 
twatnopjkarna said:
DO NOT eat the whole thing.
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!!! THIS !!!

you are asking for a premature death if you eat the amount of fentanyl you've stated with only ~100mg oxy habit. no two ways about it.

you've only got a day or two left until you see your doctor, right? hold out until then and explain to him the situation. don't go making any rash decisions when you're in this mindframe.

i can't stress enough not to eat the whole patch!:|
 
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