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Fentanyl - opiate naive

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AutonomousOwl

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Hi,

I know as soon as many of you see the title you are going to shout all the harm reduction stuff at me. I understand: Fentanyl is dangerous is small doses.

I have previously tried to use 50mg Oxycodone (different brands) with little effect - I crushed it into a fine powder, took it orally. Little euphoria. Likewise with snorting 40mg at a different time.

I shouldn't have an opiate tolerance as I haven't took any for a month and before that, I still rarely took any. I used to catch a nice high from Poppy Tea (50G Poppy Straw) or 400mg Codeine or some chased Heroin. (all on separate occasions)

The point of my post is, I am coming into contact with 200mcg Fentanyl blotters (to be used bucally). As far as I am aware, they are Fentanyl Citrate, not some derivative.

I am going to try them anyway, regardless of the inevitable (sensible) advice advising me to stay away from such a powerful opioid until I have a tolerance. I have spent past few hours reading several forums, but still haven't really got any idea how much to use recreationally (apart from <200mcg).

N.B. Regardless of what you think of me, I am going to take the Fentanyl. For harm reduction purposes, you'd be better off giving me advice on a safer dose, rather than advising me not to take it at all (because I want to). I know it is dangerous, but as far as I am aware, I am not going to get respiratory depression and die with a low dose like 100mcg. But the question is, will I catch a nod?

I cannot see any literature or reported cases of fatalities with doses of Fent as low as 100-200mcg. If you know different, please do advise!
 
Why are you trying to catch a nod off such a strong and in your case especially dangerous (little - no tollerance) opiate?

I am afraid I am unaware of the doses I am afriad, however I do know that very few people correctly lay blotters and the dose will have a (possibly huge) margin of error...
 
Yeah, I'm thinking that. But I was thinking the margin of error cannot be TOO high, otherwise the person selling it would just lose profits and they must have a fairly reliable way of doing it or they'd kill their customers; and that is NOT good for business.

Because Oxycodone done nothing for me apart from little euphoria (took 80mg, mixture of oral and snorted within a few hours), Tramadol does nothing. When I ran my H on a foil, it was OK, but smells and is conspicuous and they do not prescribe Hydro/Vicodin in the UK - and the list is exhaustive, lol.
 
as flippingtop says, there are countless stories of people horribly overdosing blotters be it LSD of fent. you could be getting 200mcg, but you could also be getting 500mcg. now that is enough to kill you.

i'm surprised you dont get euphoria from opaites at those doses.

how big are you? you must be a big fella in order to not feel anything from that.
 
That's what is odd. I'm not even big (lowish BF, fair bit of muscle @ 180-190lb, 5" 7'). I could probably get an OK buzz from Codeine at 400mg, obviously not that intense. I can also get a nice one from Poppy tea. At first I thought it was bunk Oxycodone, but I tried various brands, all of which were very very popular stock and other people loved 'em.

Most recently (about a month and a half ago) I bought a OC80, I ended up eating 40mg, waiting an hour, then snorting the rest. I could definitely feel it, but there was no nod really. By all accounts, that wouldn't be very good for most opiate naive people. - previous to that experience I've only took opiates say, 5 times in 6 months.
 
Well, oxycodone isn't really proundound in producing a nod. I know that of all the highs I've had from oxy that I've never really experienced a nod so to speak as I would on morphine (apart from last night when I combined it with grapefruit juice and clonazepam!!!) it felt like a much more powerful opiate, almost morphine IV standard. I think I am sensitive to enzyme inhibitors therefore produced a much larger amount of oxymorphone which could explain the feelings I felt.

That being said - being relatively opiate naive and taking an oc 80 and not experiencing a banging high or extreme euphoria is very very strange. Perhaps your body is simply not made to experience he euphoric feelings of opiates - and if not, don't look at this sadly. Look at it as a blessing - you won't have to face the problems of addiction as it eating and stealing your life away. Honestly. I wish I didn't experience euphoria from them.

Have you tried good old morphine? If you could get that i suggest plugging it. Get rid of all the "gay" stereotypes assosiated with this and do it. its fucking amazing and hits hard and fast. Poppy pod tea contains all the alkaloids and as such you probably experienced a good nod from the stuff. How about dihydrocodeine as well?
 
I wish it was a blessing!! instead im trying to chase this mythical nod i occasionally got from poppy tea!Yeah, I have tried DHC and find it similar to codeine. I have also had morphine (mst) and it was alright. Just that orally I found it to be to expensive cus you need a high dose for a good nod.

I already have fent on its way now lol. Hmm. I might just cut a blotter in half. 100ug. See what happens.

Best nod I have has is from poppy tea tho presumably from the morphine but the taste is just too horrendous!

Ps- have you ever tried fent yourself
 
The main thing you need to confirm is what the actual dosage is - often with fent it is extended release and is displayed as dose/hour, so the total in the entire patch is much higher. Can you check on the labelling if it gives a full description of the contents?

And it's possible you just have a high natural opiate tolerance (I personally rarely ever get the nod, and if I do it's on doses where i'd be too paranoid of dying to be getting any fun out of it).
 
Well, perhaps you should try plugging morphine. Orally it's pretty useless as it has a low bioavailability and is kinda sucky. When I plugged it however, it was absolutely wonderful and very euphoric. On a whole different level. It felt much like an IV drip of morphine. Maybe not as strong, but definitely comparable.

I've never tried fent myself as I've never been able to get ahold of it unfortunately. Where I am it's like gold dust to come across. I think your idea of splitting a blotter in half is a good idea. If its not doing the trick you can take the other half.
 
Synthetix, what dose did you orally plug morphine?

nAON, it is 200mcg/ug on a blotter for bucal or sub lingual use. Hope its measured well. Have you used fent? If so at what dosage/tolerance level
 
if it didnt come from a pharmacy, and it sounds like it didnt, take less than what you think you will need and titrate up. as said above, you could be getting .2 or .5 also worth mentioning, fent isnt a "warm" opiate the way heroin and morphine is, its kinda cold and short acting. yea ive had my fun smoking the gel out of the patches, but i knew the amount i had. just be careful.
 
I've heard a few people say that it has a synthetic feel etc etc. what do you mean by that?

Also wht dose of fent were you doing
 
I plugged 150mg of morphine. I wasn't as tolerant to opiates as I am now, but wow. It had me nodding like fucking crazy and was super euphoric.

What dose of morphine did you try?
 
You should've plugged it. Would have been much more enjoyable and I'm sure you'd have gotten very noddy. 150 for an opiate naive person is a lot. 60 is a good dose.
 
AutonomousOwl said:
I've heard a few people say that it has a synthetic feel etc etc. what do you mean by that?


Also wht dose of fent were you doing
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Its kinda hard to describe the feeling till youve tried it, its really sedating and doesnt have that samme euphoria as something semi synthetic like heroin, or completely organic like morphine. The times i was doing fent it was coming out of 100mcg duragesic patches and i was smoking it. Its like reverse crack if u take a big enough hit, when you exhale youre nodding. Had a friend who almost od'd doing this. I was smoking pea sized amounts so i wasnt really sure of the exact dose. I had such a high tolerance that i could smoke a 100 patch in one night. For real, its no joke how strong that shit is once again if you are set on trying this illicit fent prep, be careful
 
Like I said in my original and subsequent posts, it is a blotter. It has been made illicitly. I know there probably will be a bit of deviation in the dose, but cannot imagine it being just much.

Do you have a suggestions for an appropriate (immediate) dose of Fentanyl?

@medicine cabinet - Ah, euphoria doesn't quite sound like euphoria without the warm fuzziness. Hmm.... I dunno whether to try 100mcg (on instant blotter) or 200mcg


Thanks for taking your time to comment people :)
 
well... considering like i've said it's an illicitly made blotter you need to be careful with it.

try taking even a quater to begin with. fentayl is a notoriously easy to overdose on substance considering its potency.

remember you can always add more but never take out of the body.
 
All I can say is that those 200ug blotters I have are disappointing. No effect after 200ug. Either bunk or not high enough dose.
 
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