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Opioids Fent and The minds eye. ... I guess.

Badstones

Badstones

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Just a quick question for anyone that knows the answer out there.. Me and a good friend of mine both started using fentanyl the same time. First high on it was AMAZING and honestly so where every subsequent ones after that. I never really got the chasing the high feeling that I would get with other opiates, seemed like every time I did it it was just as strong, just as good.

Ok, so I got that out of the way.. I am currently maintenance dosing (for the most part) until I hit the clinic here in a month, but my friend was talking with me about this so I thought I would ask on behalf of him (because I remember the feeling). After using fent, oxy's just don't do it for us anymore... And I mean well after our last use.. Is it possible that once you experience a high like that, one that you far more enjoy, that it could kind of change your minds perception of a good buzz ? Like for instance we are still getting the exact same buzz as before, but we perceive it differently so it will always be disappointing. Everything else sucks now, and although that has turned out to be a blessing for me, my boy is going nuts. Any idea's would be appreciated, thank you.
 
From what I know about fent, it's extremely potent. Also, it acts differently compared to other opiates and opioids. Perhaps you're disappointed because your experiences have mostly been with fent, which produces a potent, unique opiate buzz. Or, because your tolerance is really high from the fent.

Who knows. I will say this though, DO NOT try to chase the high by increasing doses of oxy. It's dangerous, theres a fine line between a high and an overdose. be careful.

edit: I was thinking about it and your point about your mind's eye's perception could really be true. I once read a report on a lady who had split personalities; one personality believed she had diabetes, and when she was in that persona she had to use insulin and all that. The other personality didn't* believe she had anything wrong with her, and whenever she was in that persona, her body was totally fine. The point of this story is that our mind's have SO much power over our bodies and the way we react to things, both emotionally and physically. So it could be entirely possible that your perception is the culprit here.
 
Thank for the input pink. Fent was the last stop on my opiate trip though, and I mean, 3 months after the last use of fent, taking like 1 mg of sub every day during that period, and breaking that up with 90-150 mg of oxy here and there, and still... Disappointing. Like I said, it is a blessing in disguise, especially for those wanting to quit....I am just really curious.

-Sunshine.
 
Ahhhh, it's probably the suboxone to blame then, if you've been taking it pretty regularly for 3 months. I myself am in recovery, and have taken subs for a couple years now (had a bad doc who wouldn't take me off for a year and a half, so it's been a long time...but thats another story). What you said reminds me of myself. I attempted to "get high" about 3 or 4 times in the first three months of my recovery. I found that I had to take massive doses of oxy to even remotely feel anything, and when I actually did catch a buzz, it was short-lived at best. After a while I eventually gave up on trying to use while on subs.

At the present, ~two years since starting subs, I can't even remember what the high felt like. I mean, I remember that it felt good, that I would zone out, itch myself, and feel anxiety free--but it's no where near as vivid of a memory now. If you too are trying to stay off opiates and are in a suboxone program, just know that it gets better. A year or so down the line you will have enough clean time and memories of withdrawal to say "no" to the stuff.

Best of luck.
 
See.. That's the thing though, my buddy has never used subs. He explained how I felt to me, before I told him... Like.. It has to be something more.

Can't wait either, here in less then a month I will be in the Clinic, so I will have a consistent supply of subs and wont have to fuck around with anything else when my dealer is out.. yayyy

-Sunshine.
 
i think its pretty normal. although I know a lot of people who HAVE to smoke or their high doesn't feel right. Weird how that works, eh? If you dont have a tolerance for nicotine, that's probably the reason why you're getting sick. It can be pretty nauseating to people who don't use it often, and on top of an opiate high (usually has some form of nausea), I could see people getting pretty sick
 
I think that it's partly that other opioids don't feel as good in comparison once you've done your favourite one/ a really strong one, partly tolerance, and partly long-term changes to the brain.

And yeah it's normal to get sick after smoking cigarettes when you are really high on opioids.
 
Thank swimmingD! That is exactly what I needed.. Confirmed my thoughts about smoking while high getting more then just me sick, and also I was thinking pretty much exactly the same as you on perception of your high Vs. your high actually changing. =-)

-Sunshine.
 
It seems like it's just an issue of tolerance, and the only time a person is likely to change their perception of a good buzz is if they IV the drug and get a rush from it, and then associate the high with the rush and high, instead of just the high. I started off getting high off of hydrocodone, and that went on a while until I discovered oxycodone. At first I was still able to get high off of the hydrocodone, but once my oxy doses got high, I got what me and my friends referred to as "bullet proof" to hydrocodone. It seemed like even with relatively high doses we wouldn't feel a thing. After taking 3+ months off of opiates, I was able to get high off of hydrocodone, and it was as good as I remembered it. Of course tolerance comes back quickly, so I could only get high off of it a few times before I needed high doses again, but when spacing out my use to only a few times a month I was able to get a satisfied high from it.

It's no surprise that your tolerance is probably the issue considering you are using an opioid as potent as fentanyl. By the way, I highly suggest switching to a different opioid if you are just maintaining before getting on suboxone. For one thing, fentanyl is extremely potent, which will likely cause the transition to suboxone to be uncomfortable since you will still be feeling withdrawals a bit. The other reason is that fentanyl has such a short half-life, making you re-dose more frequent than you would with most other opioids, hence making it a bad choice for maintaining until you get on suboxone.
 
Badstones said:
Thank swimmingD! That is exactly what I needed.. Confirmed my thoughts about smoking while high getting more then just me sick, and also I was thinking pretty much exactly the same as you on perception of your high Vs. your high actually changing. =-)

-Sunshine.
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I do think the high actually changes because your brain has changed, but I also think that your perception of the high changes. Tolerance is also a big issue of course, but I don't believe it's the only one. Once you get that "drug of choice" other drugs don't compare. And I've known so many people who said that opioids never felt the same as "the honeymoon period" again even when they had been clean for a long time, (thus eliminating any tolerance).


Sometimes cigarettes would make me puke when I was using heroin. And I've known lots of other people who said smoking makes them feel nauseous when on opioids. But smoking can also sometimes enhance the high - there seems to be a fine line between cigarettes potentiating the pleasant effects and potentiating the adverse effects of opioids.
 
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Thanks again SwimmingD. I agree with you about it being a combination of the two.. and possibly other variables we have not thought about. Would you happen to have any idea why cigs cause nauseousness when you are using ? Like actual changes to the body that cause this reaction ? Just curious.

-Sunshine.
 
Badstones said:
Would you happen to have any idea why cigs cause nauseousness when you are using ? Like actual changes to the body that cause this reaction ? Just curious.

-Sunshine.
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I'm not entirely sure of the exact science behind it, but it seems to be that the cigarette and the opioid are potentiating each other. Nicotine is a mild MAOI, and MAOIs are known to increase the effects of opioids so that may explain it. Perhaps it increases the negative effects of opioids more noticeably than the positive effects? The indigenous peoples of the Amazon call tobacco "the great potentiator" and frequently use it to potentiate other plants/drugs. When I first started using opioids and cigarettes I noticed a significant heightening of the positive effects if I combined smoking and heroin (although this decreased over time as I got tolerant to both). But too much opioids or too many cigarettes and it just made me really nauseous and want to lie down, or I'd sometimes even throw up. And I would get headaches as well.
 
Swimmingdancer said:
I'm not entirely sure of the exact science behind it, but it seems to be that the cigarette and the opioid are potentiating each other. Nicotine is a mild MAOI, and MAOIs are known to increase the effects of opioids so that may explain it. Perhaps it increases the negative effects of opioids more noticeably than the positive effects? The indigenous peoples of the Amazon call tobacco "the great potentiator" and frequently use it to potentiate other plants/drugs. When I first started using opioids and cigarettes I noticed a significant heightening of the positive effects if I combined smoking and heroin (although this decreased over time as I got tolerant to both). But too much opioids or too many cigarettes and it just made me really nauseous and want to lie down, or I'd sometimes even throw up. And I would get headaches as well.
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Hello, all. This is a very interesting thread, thanks for starting it. I only have a moment so I'm going to throw in my 2 cents worth as far as the cigarettes are concerned... when I take oxycodone for breakthrough pain, I smoke constantly....and really enjoy it, too. I wear a Fentanyl patch and that has never affected my amount of smoking. Hmm.
The only time smoking has ever made me feel ill is when I have had WAY too much to drink the previous night. When I get hangovers, I don't get a headache for a couple of hours the following day ...Im lucky enough to enjoy a full day of feeling like I'm gonna vomit any second, or actually vomiting lol. Whenever I feel my condition is improving in ANY way, I immediately hobble outside to smoke. And, as always, have to put the cigarette out within a minute or two so I can run inside to throw up.
Anyway, I don't know if it's because of having smoked a lot the night before, or what. All I know is that it happens anytime I have a hangover. Even later in the evening when I feel much better, smoking a cigarette will immediately make me throw up.
Sorry if I went a bit off topic.
 
Can you get the Lollipops 1000 MCG's

There in my town before i moved to Central America. Better than 100 MCG Patches
 
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