Fear of morphine dooms third world poor to die painfully

rachamim, morphine pills might be $0.80 USD each, but raw opium or a tincture of opium is very very cheap. The fear of opiates by medical professionals globally has led to a decline in the use of the cheapest and most natural painkiller ever discovered.
 
Mehm: "Gorwing poppies is free." Here, 10 grams of poppy seed (and any other derviative,etc.) is a mandatory death penalty. Most would not even know where to get the seed since importation of the seed could get them killed,etc. It is a real problem.

Coolio: See above.

Garuda: "Pressure from the US." Here is the kicker: This country DID have all f it including a tiny illcit heroin problem. First, when the US came in after Spain they closed down all legal opium shops (which the Spanish had only allowed Chinese ethnics to patronise in a nice case of racist ideology).

Then when Marcos came in the US pressured him, via Nixon and the fledgling DEA, to claim down on the tiny illicit heroin market and Marcos executed junkies along with dealers. Post Marcos the US pressured this country against allowing any narcotics even in the licit sense for post operative pain so that this country did the US one better.

I cannot count the number of arguments I have had with Pharmacists and MDs telling me that the US does not dispense codeine to patients. WHAT? They actually believe this crap. The US has them so brainwashed but I can bet my bottom dollar that when the politicos here have a toothache they do not go about in pain for even an hour and that is the worst of it. The poor are the ones suffering, as always.
 
rachamim, I think that's part of what this article is getting at, even though it doesn't discuss it. The reasons behind the lack of opiates for the suffering are myriad and often uninvestigated.
 
rachamim said:
The US has them so brainwashed but I can bet my bottom dollar that when the politicos here have a toothache they do not go about in pain for even an hour and that is the worst of it. The poor are the ones suffering, as always.
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That is absolutely true.

There is also a prevalent idea, at least in the arab countries I've visited, that American Society is morally corrupt because of drugs and alcohol - including "narcotics", which are things like Codeine. That is why even saying the word "codeine" is taboo.

(*cough* but not because of mass consumerism, which the Arab countries worship *cough*)
 
The thing is, even Arabia has a bad heroin problem. Psychoactives began in our part of the world. i remember in my schooldays reciting in Hebrew the gifts Ya'akov (Jacob/Israel) sent down into Goshen (Egypt) for Yosef (Joseph). Among them was afiyon (opium) and afiyon haagufen (opiated wine, what we now call Paregoric or Laudanum). Arabs DO point to drugs,etc. but they should look in the mirror. Indeed all nations should because psychoactive usage is part and parcel of the human condition. Then to deny someone succor in terminal pain, that is beyond criminal.
 
Good psychoactive substances are intentionally kept criminal by our own governments to inflate their value. Drug money is laundered daily on Wall Street and greases the wheels of the high rollers' lifestyles that lead the rest of us like sheep following our shepherd over the cliff of extinction.
 
The UN estimates the global illicit drug trade to be at $600 billion or so. It's like 10% of the global economy. You know it has to be having more of an impact on the financial systems of the world than is let on by the media.
 
yellodolphin said:
Morphine comes from a plant for a reason ,it is gods gift to humans. and humans have created this situation with pain killer shortage.
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Either its a gift or it is the biggest prank on humanity ever. Personally, I have a difficult time deciding :\
 
Well, just because it causes a problem for some people who have money to burn in the Western world, doesn't mean it should be kept from people in terrible pain anywhere.
 
There no fucking reason anyone needs to have money to burn to use opium, if not for the fucking bullshit laws opium would a commodity like any other plant product. Sold by the pound in grades, broken up and packaged in whatever concoction is the flavor of the day. Just like walking into fine liquor store and seeing the different varieties and regions imagine walking into a opium shop with different brands, strengths, and regions of origin.

Would more people be addicted then currently? Probably a bit, just because of the ease of it. But it wouldn't be a problem anymore then your average alcohol fan has trouble procuring his nightly six pack. If someone wanted to stop being dependant there would be no societal scorn in having a professionally prepared taper and counseling.

Nah people would rather believe it will be anarchy in the streets, chinamen having sex with white women, white women having sex with dolphins, raving maniacs only stopping their rape and kill sprees long enough to quaff another handful of pressed opium pills.
 
On legalisation, as has been shown in the UK and Switzerland, tightly controlled legalisation is not going to spread addiction. In fact, many psychologists take the opposite stance. In negating the cache, the rebelliousness and anti-society stance of psychoactive usage, you are actually keeping many young people who would have otherwise experimented with them from picking up in the first place.

Having psychoactives in the niche now occupied by selected OST substances solves a great many of the world's problems: chronic illnesses like Hep and HIV/AIDs, scarcity of prison space and the whole prison inductrial complex, crime committed to support illicit addictions, the cycle of relative poverty being reinforced (by addicts not able to fund anything above their illict habit), and so on.

Legality of psychoactives and morality surrounding their usage fluctuates. Prior to 1916, the world taking the cue from the US (what else is new?), treated all psychoactives as completely legal and a matter of personal choice.

By 1923 morality began leading legislation as opposed to the converse until the mid 60s, again via America, shifted attitudes to below the 1916 baseline.

Crack in the early 80s shifted them back again until HIV/AIDs pushed them back towards controlled but legal.

So...It is a given that they will once again be legal in some way, shape, or form. The questions though are when and how?
 
Perhaps not until the day when the people wake up and storm Wall Street, Washington, the Pentagon, Quantico, Exxon-Mobil, Philip Morris, and the World Bank en-mass. A true beautiful day of far-reaching international anarchy would need to emerge, if this silly, endless, useless, and destructive war on drugs and "terrorism" is to come truly to a close.
 
Westerners tend to assume that most people in tropical countries die of malaria, AIDS, worm diseases and unpronounceable ills. But as vaccines, antibiotics and AIDS drugs become more common, more and more are surviving past measles, infections, birth complications and other sources of a quick death. They grow old enough to die slowly of cancer.
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That's progress!

This whole topic is fucking bullshit. It's disgraceful how a political opinion has so deeply ingrained itself into "scientific" medical thought that valid and perfectly reasonable forms of painkillers are demonised.

DITM makes me angry, sadly :(
 
rachamim said:
I cannot count the number of arguments I have had with Pharmacists and MDs telling me that the US does not dispense codeine to patients. WHAT? They actually believe this crap. The US has them so brainwashed but I can bet my bottom dollar that when the politicos here have a toothache they do not go about in pain for even an hour and that is the worst of it. The poor are the ones suffering, as always.
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Very well said, I don't mean to say anything bad about USA, but there government is so ridiculously corrupt. :\
 
fuck that, no one has to know about some hidden grow ops. plus imagine if people started growing poppies like weed and it was everywhere. not much they could do about that, its the way to revolt against them.
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It couldn't work like cannabis, otherwise people would be doing it. That's why it's only done in areas with VAST harvest space...you need miles of poppies to even get enough heroin for one junkie for a month.
 
Uh no you don't. Each hectare of poppy plants yields an average of 8-15 kg of dried opium. That'll supply quite a few junkies with massive amounts of opium/heroin for a year, all in a plot of land just 100 meters by 100 meters.
 
Its so much easier to grow than cannabis, poppys practically seed themselves and you never have to worry about weeding out males. Plus, you can grow them in your garden and most people won't recognise them until they sprout pods, and even then lots of people grow them just for their floral beauty, most don't even consider it illegal, some cops even will tell you its not until you scrape them.
 
eon_blue said:
Either its a gift or it is the biggest prank on humanity ever. Personally, I have a difficult time deciding :\
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well powerful gifts come with powerful responsibility. It is a gift and can help many people in pain. If it is abused and not treated with respect then that is the fault of you and bad decisions not the plant :\
 
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