FBI raids alleged online drug market Silk Road, arrests owner

I would assume everyone will be using PGP, especially now. An impersonator wont' be able to decrypt a message meant for someone else.

Anyone not using PGP for this sort of thing by this point obviously suffers from some sort of brain damage and probably should stop using computers.

I guess my point is, if I were to jump on a new site and happened to see a vendor I recognized from SR and decided to buy from him, I'm not going to recognize if that is the same PGP he had before if it is a scammer with a new one.
 
I already visited a site that is surely to take over where SR left off. Most of the sellers from SR are opening up shop on this site. And screw BMR....full of scams. But this other site seems promising..found it in the SR forum.
And yeah, the real DPR sold his share of SR a loooong time ago when sh*t got too big/hot. I guess he couldn't sleep well at night with all the articles and news coverage out there about something he thought was going to be underground.
 
Ross Ulbricht was advertising for the site in the very beginning of it's existence, so the whole idea that there's some guy out there with millions of dollars who really started it? I personally don't buy it....I guess it's just disappointing for some people that this guy was their "hero of legend"....They were expecting maybe Morpheus from the matrix, or some crazy Russian dude living in a bunker under a junkyard....anything but this guy sipping on lattes at café in SF

It's just gonna be a game of cat and mouse with LE and trying to avoid scammers from here on out...

A smart vendor would find 10 good customers and take the whole thing elsewhere....

There's probably been invite only websites like this operating for years that ran mostly on trust....
 
And yeah, the real DPR sold his share of SR a loooong time ago when sh*t got too big/hot. I guess he couldn't sleep well at night with all the articles and news coverage out there about something he thought was going to be underground.

Did he really? So the current Ross Ulbricht bought the site of the original DPR, right? So Ross Ulbricht just magicked millions of dollars out of thin air to pay the old DPR to buy the site off him, you have to think who would actually have the money to BUY Silk Road.. a site that turns over billions in sales? Not Ross thats for sure, because its bullshit pretty much. He was just trying to cover his tracks with all the lies, don't blame him. As much as everyone loves to dream about all the conspiracy theories, he didnt even have a fallback plan on incase the website ever was compromised. It was him being caught and it all being over and nothing else, because he never saw it happening.. :|
 
You know what I find funny?
You think you can stop this you bitches? You can't. There will be 3 more to the 1 head you chop off you fucks. I hate you American dogs. Stop saying that your land is free when it is CLEARLY NOT. YOU ARE NOT FREE, YOU ARE SLAVE TO MONEY..stop lying to yourselves. Your society is fat, dumb, ignorant, full of colorful marketing and only objective in life is $$$$. FUCK YOU


Shut up you developing-world cry baby. America may worship money/capitalism but you worship America, you would sell your little sister for more Coca Cola and Oreo cookies. you love America long time !
 
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The Unintended Consequences Of The Shutdown Of Silk Road

from the yes,-it's-gone,-but-now-what dept

The closing down of Silk Road by the feds was almost certainly inevitable. In fact, especially in light of the details suggesting how sloppy Ross Ulbricht was at times, it's somewhat amazing it lasted as long as it did. That said, in the past few days I've seen a couple of articles that are highlighting the unintended consequences of the closure. First up is Conor Friedersdorf over at The Atlantic, discussing how the closure of Silk Road almost certainly makes the world less safe. In some ways, this reminds me of similar discussions about targeting marketplaces vs. targeting users (such as Craigslist). While many people have a gut reaction that it makes sense to go after the marketplace/platform, the reality is that it's the users that drive it, and those users will continue to do the same illegal acts as before, but most likely in a less safe manner.

Friedersdorf highlights how, assuming everything in the NY complaint is accurate, Silk Road functioned as a fairly safe and efficient market for buying what generally appeared to be high quality illegal drugs for personal use in a much safer and more trusted manner than going out on the street to do the same. And, on top of that, it appears that many of the sellers were from overseas where the drug trade might be even more dangerous:

On many thousands of occasions, drug dealers in foreign countries decided that, rather than using armed truck drivers, bribed customs agents, desperate drug mules, thuggish regional distributors, and street level drug dealers who used guns to defend their territory, they’d just mail drugs directly to their far away customers. Of course, folks at the beginning of the supply chain were still often violent drug cartels who one hates to see profit. But from the perspective of the many innocents who suffer from the black market supply chains involved in traditional drug sales, narcotics via mail order would seem to be a vast improvement.

The FBI summed up its case against The Silk Road by writing that “the site has sought to make conducting illegal transactions on the Internet as easy and frictionless as shopping online at mainstream e-commerce websites.” Insofar as it trafficked in violence-for-hire and hacked bank accounts, that was a bad thing — society has an interest in as much friction as possible in the market for hit men! But compared to the epidemic violence that has characterized the drug trade for the entirety of the War on Drugs, and that shows no signs of abating in the foreseeable future, a frictionless drug trade starts to seem like a relative utopia.

The “friction” is often dead teenagers on urban streets.

Of course you could make an argument that Friedersdorf's argument is almost as much a condemnation of the overall War on Drugs as it is on Silk Road itself. In fact, you could argue that the "success" of Silk Road highlights how a legal and regulated market for such drugs would likely be quite efficient and safe. That's not a "defense" of Silk Road or a suggestion that what Ulbricht did was morally correct. However, it's just a statement of reality. The War on Drugs has a very large number of victims, and many of them are totally unrelated to drug addicts, but rather come with the infrastructure necessary to run a massive illegal business.

That brings us to the second article. Someone who worked for a competing online black market called Atlantis, which had closed just a few weeks earlier, has written up a fascinating post mortem of Silk Road, in which he (or she) notes that we're about to see a lot of similar black markets now that the market leader has been cleared out by the feds.

As if there wasn’t enough suitors ready to rise to the challenge of being the next DPR, to make it easier there is already a functioning open-source project know as BitWasp which can simply be downloaded and installed on an onion web server and the next SilkRoad is (almost) ready to go. Below is a short description of the project from its facebook page where they make no secret of the fact the project aims to aid the development of future anonymous marketplaces flowing in the case of busts like just happened Silk Road.

“BitWasp Marketplace is a light weight, completely open source, anonymous bitcoin marketplace specifically built for use in conjunction with Tor or I2P via the hidden services such as .onion websites and eepsites (for I2P).
The goal of this project is to do the following:

1. Lower the barrier of entry and needed skill-set to operate a website like silkroad. This will increase the number of silkroad styled sites on the internet, and this increase will lead to a stronger pressure on governments to change their draconian drug law policies into something more practical and respecting of individual liberty.

Just like open source forum software revolutionized the ability for individuals to freely share ideas within niche communities, Bitwasp will revolutionize the ability for individuals to sell and buy materials and digital files within online communities.

2. Plans by the many, not by the few. This is essential because, as with nature, competition will select for the best, most secure, and most revolutionary marketplaces. Silkroad is great; but I suspect many minds working on many sites with various add-ons and extensions will lead to many better marketplaces in the long run.”

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http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20...ntended-consequences-shutdown-silk-road.shtml
 
That grieving dad will turn into the next Tony Wood. If alcohol, tobacco or pharmaceuticals killed his kid do you think he'd be in the media at all?
 
Now it's just getting fucking silly.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-08/perth-father-wants-life-for-alleged-silk-road-founder/5009650

The father of a boy who died after taking drugs purchased on the Silk Road website says the site's founder is culpable in his son's death and should spend the rest of his life in jail.
That's absolutely absurd....Might as well arrest the ISP who you were going through for internet, they knew SR existed and they continued to allow people go online...it's practically like putting a gun to his head and pulling the trigger! I hate people that try to blame other people for their own kids choices....It's the same kind of people who are absolutely convinced their kids are destined for greatness above all their peers...
 
That's absolutely absurd....Might as well arrest the ISP who you were going through for internet, they knew SR existed and they continued to allow people go online...it's practically like putting a gun to his head and pulling the trigger! I hate people that try to blame other people for their own kids choices....It's the same kind of people who are absolutely convinced their kids are destined for greatness above all their peers...

Amen to that!
 
The father of a boy who died after taking drugs purchased on the Silk Road website says the site's founder is culpable in his son's death and should spend the rest of his life in jail.

What's next? Is he going to blame the lawmakers who illegalized drugs in the first place, essentially making all drugs available without restriction?
 
Maybe they should arrest al gore - for inventing the internet in the first place.
 
Maybe grieving father Mr Bridge should be held culpable for his sons death, negligent parenting for not keeping drugs away from his son. or maybe he wasn't emotionally supportive and that's what drove his son to drugs. Or maybe it's just his sons own fault for doing stupid shit like teenagers do and he paid for it with his life.
How come when all these kids that end up dead due to booze, falling asleep on railway tracks etc, people don't go up the chain of alcohol supply and blame everyone involved for the death.
 
Maybe grieving father Mr Bridge should be held culpable for his sons death, negligent parenting for not keeping drugs away from his son. or maybe he wasn't emotionally supportive and that's what drove his son to drugs. Or maybe it's just his sons own fault for doing stupid shit like teenagers do and he paid for it with his life.
How come when all these kids that end up dead due to booze, falling asleep on railway tracks etc, people don't go up the chain of alcohol supply and blame everyone involved for the death.

People grieve in different ways, some assholes can't help but find someone, something, anything to blame apart from themselves and launch these idiotic crusades. Worst of all is when they run contrary to know believes of the person in who's name they're fighting.

If memory serves, the kid didn't even buy it from silk road, he bought it off someone else who had bought it off silk road. None of it matters though, we all know how stupid and infuriating stuff like this is.
 
You know I feel sorry for that father and I understand where he is coming from and the pain he must be feeling. We have to understand that maybe the only way he can deal with his grief is simply passing on the blame from his son onto DPR. His view however, as many other posters have pointed out is obviously flawed to the most biased of extremes. Why are these sites evil, and the local chemist or alcohol store is not “evil, evil”?

Anyway, on topic, I find it astounding that every single new report I read reports that the site “sells weapons and has hit-men for hire”. The BBC report on TV, stated that you could “hire assassins” from the site. Has anyone else caught on this? I have never used Silk Road (Thank God) as I was way to paranoid to order drugs online, but I did have a look through it, and I never came across the sales of guns or hit-men….so I am not sure why these outlets are outright lying.

Last point is, I find it surprising that DPR was in the USA. I mean, the USA leads the world on extreme draconian drug laws. Their federal law enforcement include entire agencies set up to wage the war on drugs. Their public is completely blind by their pop culture of sex, money, voting and guns. Their public are purposefully starved of foreign affairs besides the war on terror, and thus have hardly a world view of anything that does not include the celebrities and what they did on the weekend. This false ideology of democracy, of freedom seems to be bought by most of its citizens and thus the nation is living on a lie. The nation is under constant surveillance, kill innocents in other countries and then conceal it, arrests its own citizens for “getting high” to keep its prison system business flowing and then attempt to pretend that they are the world leaders and world piece givers. How and why would/could DPR have the guts to stay in such a dangerous, cartoon state? It is beyond me, and this was his biggest mistake (and there is many). If he had escaped like the other heroes of our time (Snowden, Assange), we would now be seeing him granted asylum in another state that knows the truth about the evil nation state in the US and its blind, ignorant citizens. What DPR did was set up a safer way to buy drugs. He showcased that drugs can be sold in an organized, Ebay like manner. Why go after him? Because he is easy scape-goat, and this will look like a victory for the War On Drugs.
 
And, on top of that, it appears that many of the sellers were from overseas where the drug trade might be even more dangerous:

On many thousands of occasions, drug dealers in foreign countries decided that, rather than using armed truck drivers, bribed customs agents, desperate drug mules, thuggish regional distributors, and street level drug dealers who used guns to defend their territory, they’d just mail drugs directly to their far away customers. Of course, folks at the beginning of the supply chain were still often violent drug cartels who one hates to see profit. But from the perspective of the many innocents who suffer from the black market supply chains involved in traditional drug sales, narcotics via mail order would seem to be a vast improvement.

The FBI summed up its case against The Silk Road by writing that “the site has sought to make conducting illegal transactions on the Internet as easy and frictionless as shopping online at mainstream e-commerce websites.” Insofar as it trafficked in violence-for-hire and hacked bank accounts, that was a bad thing — society has an interest in as much friction as possible in the market for hit men! But compared to the epidemic violence that has characterized the drug trade for the entirety of the War on Drugs, and that shows no signs of abating in the foreseeable future, a frictionless drug trade starts to seem like a relative utopia.

The “friction” is often dead teenagers on urban streets.

Of course you could make an argument that Friedersdorf's argument is almost as much a condemnation of the overall War on Drugs as it is on Silk Road itself. In fact, you could argue that the "success" of Silk Road highlights how a legal and regulated market for such drugs would likely be quite efficient and safe. That's not a "defense" of Silk Road or a suggestion that what Ulbricht did was morally correct. However, it's just a statement of reality. The War on Drugs has a very large number of victims, and many of them are totally unrelated to drug addicts, but rather come with the infrastructure necessary to run a massive illegal business.

That brings us to the second article. Someone who worked for a competing online black market called Atlantis, which had closed just a few weeks earlier, has written up a fascinating post mortem of Silk Road, in which he (or she) notes that we're about to see a lot of similar black markets now that the market leader has been cleared out by the feds.

As if there wasn’t enough suitors ready to rise to the challenge of being the next DPR, to make it easier there is already a functioning open-source project know as BitWasp which can simply be downloaded and installed on an onion web server and the next SilkRoad is (almost) ready to go. Below is a short description of the project from its facebook page where they make no secret of the fact the project aims to aid the development of future anonymous marketplaces flowing in the case of busts like just happened Silk Road.

“BitWasp Marketplace is a light weight, completely open source, anonymous bitcoin marketplace specifically built for use in conjunction with Tor or I2P via the hidden services such as .onion websites and eepsites (for I2P).
The goal of this project is to do the following:

1. Lower the barrier of entry and needed skill-set to operate a website like silkroad. This will increase the number of silkroad styled sites on the internet, and this increase will lead to a stronger pressure on governments to change their draconian drug law policies into something more practical and respecting of individual liberty.

Just like open source forum software revolutionized the ability for individuals to freely share ideas within niche communities, Bitwasp will revolutionize the ability for individuals to sell and buy materials and digital files within online communities.

2. Plans by the many, not by the few. This is essential because, as with nature, competition will select for the best, most secure, and most revolutionary marketplaces. Silkroad is great; but I suspect many minds working on many sites with various add-ons and extensions will lead to many better marketplaces in the long run.”

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http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20...ntended-consequences-shutdown-silk-road.shtml

Interesting post. I think most people can relate to the first bit I've emboldened anyway. For instance if I wanted to purchase 10 valium for self medicating purposes through SR, the guy I would have got them off would be like a professional, almost like a doctor offering HR advice not to take them all at once and often offering product that was actually on par/the same as what you would be prescribed... If I wanted to buy 10 valium locally I'd likely have to deal with idiots who eat handfuls at once and go drinking 10pts of lager, either that or junkies who have them for W/D's. Either way the product is likely to be cut, or not even diazepam in many cases. It's a no brainer as to why people in these situations use such websites. The same could be said for many hard drugs too, it's safer to buy a gram of purer crack cocaine/heroin online than it is the people I'm sure you would likely have to associate with to score such things IRL.


RE: BitWasp at the end there, I think surely this leaves room for an even better site to be set up when some intelligent actually sit down and think what needs to be done. BMR is full of scams and the other one although looks good seems a bit lacking in the security and resolution side of things.

I wish I could work out PGP, but unfortunately my computer illiteracy makes it a nightmare. And I'm not too sure I want to order anything from the newer sites without it.
 
Don't mean to say I told you so about DPR's stash of bitcoins being out of circulation but...

I TOLD YOU SO ABOUT DPR'S STASH OF BITCOINS BEING OUT OF CIRCULATION =D

Now the interesting part is if he had the brains to distribute some backups of some of his wallet files for a contingency like this, and manages to have someone hire him a real lawyer with fruits of his labor. I'm sort of doubting this though. It strikes me like he never had a coherent exit strategy with his $80 million... kind of like Walter White? ;)

I mean if I were in his shoes, I'd be retiring at 10-15 million and not looking back. Again maybe the "real DPR" did, but all evidence seems to say otherwise.
 
I got a stylized fact for you: More people get killed when there's easy access to weapons such as in the US of A. Analoguously, if more people have access to dangerous drugs, more people will take them and die.
 
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