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FBI raids alleged online drug market Silk Road, arrests owner
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To tell the truth.. mountains of this dont make a whole lotta sense.. so if they have all the info on almost everybody who partook in this, how do those people just mosey on to another BM sight, why would they let them? not that i think that anything positive was accomplished by this.. so obvious that another "victory" will undoubtedly end up killing more people and having no positive impact at all.. demand drives a black market and I'm pretty sure it still there.. actually there is no doubt in my mind. But I do look forward to the movie about what went down coming out.. what do you guys think the chances are that an agent has posted in this thread today.. my guess would be 100%.
Hey guys, buyers have nothing to worry about. Just think, why did they raid the silk road ? What are their purpose to close this site down ? To protect the people from poisoning themselves ? Are they really that nice to us ? Cmon guys, just don't believe it please. The anti-crime organisations taking down their concurrence in a legal way. They take down who is not willing to share the profit, or the ones who becomes too powerful (for example Pablo Escobar). The government, the authority is looking for their own interest, not to protect the people (yeah well in some cases they protect you, but not in cases where business is involved). As you see from the criminal complaint, "From February 6, 2011 to July 23 2013, 9,519,664BTC was generated in sales" that converted on an average of 120$/BTC is 1,1billion dollars, calculating with a 20% profit, because of the postage, and the great quality items, and the losses, that is still 228million dollars income in two years. If you split this for 100 person in the ladder, that comes 1,14million dollars per year income to those, who control it. The ladder begins from the street dealer, and tops in the politics. The top is in safe, he never see drug, he never hear about it, he doesn't know about it, he is just getting his money in the suitcase, which remembers him how the 2nd step of ladder is loyal him. And it goes down down down and somewhere in the 4th or 5th step from the bottom the situation changes. What do you think why they hunt the head of a cartel, or a big mafia, even if they pay nice money to them ? Because they must not allow them to step the ladder anymore. From the street dealer if you are very talented you can get to the leader position, where you think are safe, but one day they will make the necessary steps. And also this is my answer for the so much asked question that "Why don't the legalize it?", because after tobacco and alcohol was legalized, they found out how much money is in it, and all money goes to the citizens and the tax to the government.
And let me talk a bit about the security and the encryption. I am not paranoid, and not building my fantasy from movies, but I am 100% sure, if the FBI. CIA or whatever would have a good reason to track someone down on the internet, they could do it without a problem. They have the technology, they spend loads of money to monitor the actions of people and control it, because they are in constant fear to loosing their power. So then you might ask why they don't track this down, every people in this forum .. its because it doesn't worth it. For example somebody give you a box locked with a numeric coded lock of 3 numbers. If you want to open it in the worst case you have to try 729 combination, and it will open for sure, and you would do it if they would tell you there is 1000$ in it, but if they tell you there is a letter for some unknown person, you would't even try it. The PGP is cracked, everything can be cracked, if you have (and NSA has) enough resource they can just randomly guessing the key, and it will be found. If they crack your PGP coded address what was stored on SR, what they win ? They know a drug users address, who can't help them anything, no money, no info, its simply wasting of time. What they will do, is filtering higher targets, large orders 500g+, domestic orders, frequent orders, they filter who is valuable for them. They will check the SR forum as well, as it is still accessible. Today's great catch wasn't DPR himself, it was the catch of the territory. What I think is that he was already under inspection much much before he knew it. You can mock the cops, and make cops jokes, but these are not cops, they are high skilled investigators, with professional tools. What you hear in media, if just the top of the iceberg. Just think back in time how many cases were found out only later, and its been in secret, think of Hiroshima, nobody knew it before.
And for my last worlds : Why do they do spend a lot of money on researches, and FBI, and agents etc ? To keep the control in their hand. I am not talking about conspiracy here. I am not talking about specify families who own the world. The power sustain itself, its the nature of people. Some of the most powered and most richest ppl are in the biggest FEAR to loose it all. That few percent people who are in the top of the ladder is in fear, that the world will change and they will lose their visionary power over us, and they will not be an important person anymore, their ego will be gone. And remember, its US who is giving the power to them, by keeping us in FEAR. I am talking from a Eastern European country, and I know this is much sophisticated in the Western countries, but the scheme is the same. Keep the people in fear, and "Divide et impera",
Don't you realize when they banned to have black-skinned people slavery, they kept doing it with a few modification ? Now you got money instead of food, which you buy food for yourself. You got money instead of a small flat in the back of the garden, to pay your rent yourself. And of course depending by country, you get some extra money which is the "panem et circenses". And people don't think about it, because when ever they think, how great their life could be, then there is a little thought flashing in his mind that "look I could say how much luckier I am than those who are in war in middle east", or "who are starving in Africa" And there goes life in waves of the state of satisfied and disappointed, and you are not going to do anything against it, you don't even have time to think about it a lot, because you have to work 8hours, then you have to buy stuffs you don't need, because your neighbor bought as well, then you watch a bit of TV, maybe a bit of drugs, and you gotta to sleep.
Once again, this is NOT a conspiracy theory. The power is not against your, they are not against anyone, they just want to sustain their power, what ever it takes, without thinking, and morals. And they develop their tools, their "soldiers" quick and efficient, because they have the power. The rich is getting richer, the poor is getting poorer. A person never will be able to fight against this, but he can quit the system, as he can go to Tibet or any other nice places, to live with the nature and meditate. Even the whole popularity of the earth can not fight against them, but can win the battle, but only together. Their power comes from US, that we do what they tell us to do. They tell not to drive faster than 50km/h, you don't drive faster. If everybody, I repeat EVERYBODY would drive fasten than 50km/h and nobody would pay the speeding tickets, That would be the point when they feel the real fear. If not a single person would go to the 4 yearly president vote, and there would be 0 vote on them, they wouldn't show, but they would freak out. And this all can be done without violating rules, it all can be done in a friendly way without hurting anyone, just a simple explanation : The world is ours, not only a few chosen ones.
Finally see this nice video :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC78wv8h-m0
And let me talk a bit about the security and the encryption. I am not paranoid, and not building my fantasy from movies, but I am 100% sure, if the FBI. CIA or whatever would have a good reason to track someone down on the internet, they could do it without a problem. They have the technology, they spend loads of money to monitor the actions of people and control it, because they are in constant fear to loosing their power. So then you might ask why they don't track this down, every people in this forum .. its because it doesn't worth it. For example somebody give you a box locked with a numeric coded lock of 3 numbers. If you want to open it in the worst case you have to try 729 combination, and it will open for sure, and you would do it if they would tell you there is 1000$ in it, but if they tell you there is a letter for some unknown person, you would't even try it. The PGP is cracked, everything can be cracked, if you have (and NSA has) enough resource they can just randomly guessing the key, and it will be found. If they crack your PGP coded address what was stored on SR, what they win ? They know a drug users address, who can't help them anything, no money, no info, its simply wasting of time. What they will do, is filtering higher targets, large orders 500g+, domestic orders, frequent orders, they filter who is valuable for them. They will check the SR forum as well, as it is still accessible. Today's great catch wasn't DPR himself, it was the catch of the territory. What I think is that he was already under inspection much much before he knew it. You can mock the cops, and make cops jokes, but these are not cops, they are high skilled investigators, with professional tools. What you hear in media, if just the top of the iceberg. Just think back in time how many cases were found out only later, and its been in secret, think of Hiroshima, nobody knew it before.
And for my last worlds : Why do they do spend a lot of money on researches, and FBI, and agents etc ? To keep the control in their hand. I am not talking about conspiracy here. I am not talking about specify families who own the world. The power sustain itself, its the nature of people. Some of the most powered and most richest ppl are in the biggest FEAR to loose it all. That few percent people who are in the top of the ladder is in fear, that the world will change and they will lose their visionary power over us, and they will not be an important person anymore, their ego will be gone. And remember, its US who is giving the power to them, by keeping us in FEAR. I am talking from a Eastern European country, and I know this is much sophisticated in the Western countries, but the scheme is the same. Keep the people in fear, and "Divide et impera",
Don't you realize when they banned to have black-skinned people slavery, they kept doing it with a few modification ? Now you got money instead of food, which you buy food for yourself. You got money instead of a small flat in the back of the garden, to pay your rent yourself. And of course depending by country, you get some extra money which is the "panem et circenses". And people don't think about it, because when ever they think, how great their life could be, then there is a little thought flashing in his mind that "look I could say how much luckier I am than those who are in war in middle east", or "who are starving in Africa" And there goes life in waves of the state of satisfied and disappointed, and you are not going to do anything against it, you don't even have time to think about it a lot, because you have to work 8hours, then you have to buy stuffs you don't need, because your neighbor bought as well, then you watch a bit of TV, maybe a bit of drugs, and you gotta to sleep.
Once again, this is NOT a conspiracy theory. The power is not against your, they are not against anyone, they just want to sustain their power, what ever it takes, without thinking, and morals. And they develop their tools, their "soldiers" quick and efficient, because they have the power. The rich is getting richer, the poor is getting poorer. A person never will be able to fight against this, but he can quit the system, as he can go to Tibet or any other nice places, to live with the nature and meditate. Even the whole popularity of the earth can not fight against them, but can win the battle, but only together. Their power comes from US, that we do what they tell us to do. They tell not to drive faster than 50km/h, you don't drive faster. If everybody, I repeat EVERYBODY would drive fasten than 50km/h and nobody would pay the speeding tickets, That would be the point when they feel the real fear. If not a single person would go to the 4 yearly president vote, and there would be 0 vote on them, they wouldn't show, but they would freak out. And this all can be done without violating rules, it all can be done in a friendly way without hurting anyone, just a simple explanation : The world is ours, not only a few chosen ones.
Finally see this nice video :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC78wv8h-m0
BlueHues
Bluelighter
I just can't believe it's actually that easy to ail things like heroin and cocaine around the world without a bunch of the people ordering it having their packages randomly discovered and busted after the delivery was made. Something like pills or LSD or synthetic powders(RCs) people have mailed for years, but I personally know two people who were busted for mail order weed and in the circles I travel in people are hugely paranoid about mailing drugs and nobody seems to really know with certainty how safe or unsafe it really is.
But I guess this proves that if you discreetly package small amounts of anything and mail them, it's virtually impossible to detect. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that if you do get caught mailing any drug in the US, it's an automatic Fed charge that carries a 5 years minimum, and that would be for even a single gram of marijuana. In the US, it's almost always preferable to charged by a state than to be charged by the Feds.
This Silk Road guy is completely screwed and will probably get what amounts to a life sentence. I'm sure there's a lot more going on with the case if the feds haven't really said much about it yet. They're probably tracing the origin of a lot of the orders, and planning on absolutely boning certain dealers on that end, AND I'm sure you'll hear about a few "Little Jimmy the 18 yr old undergrad student who never did a thing wrong in his life is facing 5 Fed charges and 70 years in prison" kind of stories...
It's literally better to get convicted of murder and receive a "life sentence" in most states than it is to have multiple federal drug felonies...The guy who get's convicted of murder on a state charge will end up serving half the time! It makes absolutely no sense and is fucking medieval, so I actually hope they do bust a bunch of young. white college kids from affluent families in the US just to draw attention to how stupid the Federal drug laws are!
I feel bad for you guys in Europe that are at the mercy of dealers overcharging for low quality product, but unless you live in the middle of nowhere in the US, it shouldn't be too hard to get your drugs the old fashioned way...
But I guess this proves that if you discreetly package small amounts of anything and mail them, it's virtually impossible to detect. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that if you do get caught mailing any drug in the US, it's an automatic Fed charge that carries a 5 years minimum, and that would be for even a single gram of marijuana. In the US, it's almost always preferable to charged by a state than to be charged by the Feds.
This Silk Road guy is completely screwed and will probably get what amounts to a life sentence. I'm sure there's a lot more going on with the case if the feds haven't really said much about it yet. They're probably tracing the origin of a lot of the orders, and planning on absolutely boning certain dealers on that end, AND I'm sure you'll hear about a few "Little Jimmy the 18 yr old undergrad student who never did a thing wrong in his life is facing 5 Fed charges and 70 years in prison" kind of stories...
It's literally better to get convicted of murder and receive a "life sentence" in most states than it is to have multiple federal drug felonies...The guy who get's convicted of murder on a state charge will end up serving half the time! It makes absolutely no sense and is fucking medieval, so I actually hope they do bust a bunch of young. white college kids from affluent families in the US just to draw attention to how stupid the Federal drug laws are!
I feel bad for you guys in Europe that are at the mercy of dealers overcharging for low quality product, but unless you live in the middle of nowhere in the US, it shouldn't be too hard to get your drugs the old fashioned way...
sorry i should have specified dealers.. christ if they wanted users, well anybody can round then up with a butterfly net. This bust was all about politics.. and thats such a part of the drug war these days.. everyone knows its a failure.. they just hated the fact that people around the world were flaunting it in their face, in a manner that really showed the fact that the drug war is helpless, but if they take SR down and put the focus back on the streets where the black market causes consequences that make people afraid, then they can use the fear created by their policies to justify their actions and policies with the public and try and keep manipulating support and receive continued backing..
Black markets are fueled by demand and this did not address demand at all, so it wasn't any sort of a victory. I wonder how many influential and powerful names are on those records.. drugs are hell and gone from a ghetto thing.. people from every walk of life and every station are using even "the hard shit" so its even harder to justify something when you will start talking down respected and influential people in the world.. My guess is quite a few of then were using SR.
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This is an interesting performance about the security, this mention only a few. Keep in mind this security breaking are public, and then think about what kind of techniques and tools are strictly secret.
http://www.ted.com/talks/avi_rubin_all_your_devices_can_be_hacked.html
I hope you will be amazed.
http://www.ted.com/talks/avi_rubin_all_your_devices_can_be_hacked.html
I hope you will be amazed.
.:Holy::Toast:.
Bluelighter
Well looks like the alternatives are gonna get a lot more busy
Docta
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bennyZA
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The reason SR was succesful is because almost no one got packages seized. The few people who did didn't get in any trouble, obviously there are exceptions.
I still don't believe for 1 second that this Ross kid is the current DPR. His personal security was so lax. Btw, there doesn't seem to be much hard evidence. Most likely he gets 10 years at most, out in 3-5.i
I still don't believe for 1 second that this Ross kid is the current DPR. His personal security was so lax. Btw, there doesn't seem to be much hard evidence. Most likely he gets 10 years at most, out in 3-5.i
my3rdeye
Bluelighter
Why didn't the FBI run it like normal for a few weeks and arrest everyone?
I have seen drug vending websites come and go and that same type of notice from the feds on the sites shut down before. It's a never ending cycle. They didn't stop drugs in the mail. There are lots of non SR vendors who will continue on tomorrow with business as usual.
I knew DPR was American. I also always felt people were over confident in the security of TOR. And when you have a million dollars in bit coins how do you turn that into "real" money anyway? DPR had to cash his Bitcoins like everyone else. And that currency is going to be pretty cheap now I bet too. Glad I never used the site besides to look at pictures, but I think anyone who didn't use public wi fi or someone else's wi fi if they were vending was crazy anyway.
I am not familiar with Bitcoin, are there people with cash stuck in SR or is in some external wallet?
A rival site just shit down very recently with a cryptic warning it was no longer safe, wonder if that's related? There can't be that many places that host tor sites, even if freedom hosting didn't host SR, someone did, the FBI probably didn't have to knock on may doors either to find the SR host.
Or maybe someone ratted on DPR.
I am on LSD right now and cant read all the replies. RIP SR
I have seen drug vending websites come and go and that same type of notice from the feds on the sites shut down before. It's a never ending cycle. They didn't stop drugs in the mail. There are lots of non SR vendors who will continue on tomorrow with business as usual.
I knew DPR was American. I also always felt people were over confident in the security of TOR. And when you have a million dollars in bit coins how do you turn that into "real" money anyway? DPR had to cash his Bitcoins like everyone else. And that currency is going to be pretty cheap now I bet too. Glad I never used the site besides to look at pictures, but I think anyone who didn't use public wi fi or someone else's wi fi if they were vending was crazy anyway.
I am not familiar with Bitcoin, are there people with cash stuck in SR or is in some external wallet?
A rival site just shit down very recently with a cryptic warning it was no longer safe, wonder if that's related? There can't be that many places that host tor sites, even if freedom hosting didn't host SR, someone did, the FBI probably didn't have to knock on may doors either to find the SR host.
Or maybe someone ratted on DPR.
I am on LSD right now and cant read all the replies. RIP SR
Docta
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There's some evidence that the FBI may have been running SR for some time. I'm still fact checking how long the clone has been operating. This is starting to look like a full on RICO Act operation targeting DPR under the Kingpin Statutes with top vendors in the RICO prosecution they will have to establish prehistory. So I am of the option DPR has not been in control for some time.
BlueHues
Bluelighter
You do pretty much 100% of federal time, I thought for a long time it was 85%, but it actually works out to more like 88-90% of your sentence. There's really no parole for a federal sentence. Once the feds actually know that something big is going on and they're committed to it, they'll generally delay making any arrests for a long time until they have all the evidence they need. And if it's drugs, pretty much everyone involved in what seems like even a modest drug-dealing operation will be facing at LEAST 5 years. They bring everyone in, even if you just knew about it indirectly. If you'll testify they may give you a deal or let you walk, but if you refuse they'll have absolutely no mercy on you. They're notoriously vicious. The way federal drug "conspiracy" laws are it barely takes even dipping your toes in to be completely screwed.
cyberius
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I sure hope it's not shut down. If it is, I can say goodbye to pure safe drugs, and hello to dangerous impurity and "pure molly"...
It really does seem fishy though, I don't really believe the worlds strongest drug kingpin was living with two roommates in San Fransisco, I mean fucking come on.
It really does seem fishy though, I don't really believe the worlds strongest drug kingpin was living with two roommates in San Fransisco, I mean fucking come on.
izzy66
Bluelighter
too much talking and that friggin' gawker article created a lot of attention, the wrong kind of attention. And this DPR (who is most likely not the original DPR) having twitter and facebook accts, giving interviews to forbes, and basically taunting LE caused the attention to become more intense. So now LE has enough info to get the warrants, shut the site down, and hand an orange jumpsuit to the idiot whose foolishness (and murder for hire plots) destroyed something positive.
Just legalize and tax everything, people are gonna do whatever they're determined to do anyway, and quit fighting this pointless ridiculous "war" that has only wasted huge amounts of money and destroyed many peoples' lives permanently.
-izzy
Just legalize and tax everything, people are gonna do whatever they're determined to do anyway, and quit fighting this pointless ridiculous "war" that has only wasted huge amounts of money and destroyed many peoples' lives permanently.
-izzy
Crankinit
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It was only a matter of time, all drug sources come and go, there was no reason to believe this one would be any different. Honestly I'm actually kind of excited to see where things go from here, now people have developed a taste for the convenience of buying and selling on the internet, there's no way this is the end of the story. The floodgates have been opened and now there's a void in the market, if I were a gambling man I'd put money down on there being several replacements by the time we're moving into next year, it's just a question of what form they take.
Captain Brewster
Bluelight Crew
^ good point.
I'm with the majority, this ain't the real DPR.
I mentioned it in AussDD, the dudes sipping on cocktails, has been for years, wiping his hands clean from what he created.
All of a sudden he's calling hits on people?!? You'd think he'd be smarter than that. (In other words, different character to me).
I'm with the majority, this ain't the real DPR.
I mentioned it in AussDD, the dudes sipping on cocktails, has been for years, wiping his hands clean from what he created.
All of a sudden he's calling hits on people?!? You'd think he'd be smarter than that. (In other words, different character to me).
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bennyZA
Bluelighter
I would be not surprised if a message from the real DPR makes headlines tomorrow.
The whole world now knows you can buy drugs online easily. You may think that's obvious, but it's not. This is the beginning of something big, this is the future of drugs, SR is just the beginning. Now there will be new ones and they will compete with each other on things like security, price, and such. LE is always one step behind.
The whole world now knows you can buy drugs online easily. You may think that's obvious, but it's not. This is the beginning of something big, this is the future of drugs, SR is just the beginning. Now there will be new ones and they will compete with each other on things like security, price, and such. LE is always one step behind.
Captain Brewster
Bluelight Crew
Sucks to be Ross.
tweex
Bluelighter
Terrible OPSEC
Terrible OPSEC everywhere
Anyone else think reandwhite may have actually been FriendlyChemist?
Terrible OPSEC everywhere
Anyone else think reandwhite may have actually been FriendlyChemist?